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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1740 on: Aug 22, 2018, 02:13:31 PM »
What work did you do on the engine, and what work was done by a machine shop?

(I rebuilt a 20R decades ago,   Machine shop did crank/rod work and basic block work (surface, hone).   I did everything else)
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1741 on: Aug 22, 2018, 06:02:55 PM »
At this point, I'm leaning towards having Jim at 22RE Performance build me a 22RE long block.  When I started the rebuild I didn't think it would be that difficult to rebuild one, especially considering the reputation of the sources and services I used, and my automechanic skills.

From my experience, there is a lot of planning, knowledge, skills, machining, and careful parts selection that goes into the entire process of SUCCESSFULLY rebuilding one of engines that will go 200K to 300K miles.

Gnarls.

Well, until you find out what was is actually wrong it is impossible to say who or what is at fault.  If could be bad set of new seals, bad rigs, poor machine work, etc., If you are lucky and it is seals or rings, no need in having someone rebuild it, as there is no enough wear yet to warrant it, just fix the issue and go.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1742 on: Aug 23, 2018, 08:26:55 AM »
Well, until you find out what was is actually wrong it is impossible to say who or what is at fault.  If could be bad set of new seals, bad rigs, poor machine work, etc., If you are lucky and it is seals or rings, no need in having someone rebuild it, as there is no enough wear yet to warrant it, just fix the issue and go.

Hey S,

Yep… I am anxious find out what happened and why.  As far as "no need to rebuild it", the engine will most likely need to be pulled and disassembled.  I want a pro to totally inspect the entire engine to get the results.

Just my thoughts…

I could remove the head and check it. I’d be very surprised if the valves are the issue without having any visible smoke. 

At that point I could mic the cylinders (bore gauge) and possibly measure piston to cylinder wall, piston-head clearance.  I don’t know how I could determine if the rings are the issue without pulling the pistons, without pulling the engine, means I believe I’d have to drop the front axle to drop the pan to remove the rod cap.

If I pull and disassemble the engine, and I do it myself, I would completely rebuild it with every part inspected and new parts used if necessary, and I would buy new pistons and rings from a recommended top manufacturer. I would have the block checked for all measurements and determine if it had to be bored or honed, and verify correct crosshatching and RA .

I’d probably buy a new rocker rack and install and brand new camshaft.

In other words, I’d rebuild, or have it rebuilt it correctly so it would go 250k or 300k miles.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1743 on: Aug 23, 2018, 08:45:06 AM »
Pull the engine out. It doesn't take that long to do and everything is so easy once out and on an engine stand.  :twocents:
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1744 on: Aug 23, 2018, 09:08:58 AM »
Pull the engine out. It doesn't take that long to do and everything is so easy once out and on an engine stand.  :twocents:

That's a BIG 10-4!!

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1745 on: Jan 13, 2019, 06:54:59 AM »
UPDATE 1-11-2019

22RE rebuild – 150,748 miles.

I adjusted the valve lash and changed spark plugs.  There were several exhaust valves a little tight.  I adjusted the lash to the 261C cam spec 7 and 9. 

I replaced the copper plugs with about 25,000 miles on them - they looked really good - with a set of NGK BPR5EYs that only had about 50 miles on them.  Truck ran great.  Rocker noise was balanced and sounded normal.  After a quick test drive - tach’d it up to 5K a couple times – I parked the truck for about 5 hours. Went out to move it and it had a misfire!!  WTF-O!!  :yikes: :disturbed:  :headshake:

I pulled the plugs.  All looked good. I pulled each plug wire to see if I determine which cylinder was not happy.  Number 1 cylinder was not happy.  It was getting good spark.  Is it a fuel/injector issue?  Is it something to do with valves? No check engine light.  I am bummed and getting so discouraged with this engine rebuild.  :sad2:

I don't think I've done anything lately to pi$$ off the Toyota Gods?  :dunno:

I will pull the rocker cover and re-check the valve lash.

I have a bad feeling about this head from engnbldr, and I know it is not normal to have the exhaust valves go tight in 3K or 4K miles.  :dunno:  I'm also not sure that Mama ECU likes this 261C cam?

Suggestions or comments will be appreciated.  :beerchug:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1746 on: Jan 14, 2019, 08:44:23 AM »
UPDATE 1-14-2019

Did a compression check after re-checking valve lash. Valve lash is OK.

Compression test:  #1 33 lbs.,  #2 65 lbs., #3 155 lbs, #4 150 lbs.  I guess that explains the misfire.. not enough compression.

I will do a leak down test this week end to if I can determine if its valves or pistons.

I'll park it and probably wait to save up some money to buy a long block from 22RE Performance.   :gap:

If its the valves, I could have the head rebuilt, but I'd still be having the oil consumption issue that its had since I rebuilt it about 16,000 miles ago.  :dunno:

Looks like I will be pulling the engine again.  :disturbed:

I'm definitely NOT and engine builder.  :outtahere:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1747 on: Jan 14, 2019, 09:14:34 AM »
Did You adjust and check the valves by the book or on the back side of each lobe?
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1748 on: Jan 14, 2019, 09:57:16 AM »
Did You adjust and check the valves by the book or on the back side of each lobe?


Yes I tried it and checked it both ways
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1749 on: Jan 14, 2019, 10:36:01 AM »
Yes I tried it and checked it both ways
I think You did something wrong. back off all the rockers to out of spec loose. Then reperform the comp test. See what You get then.
I find it hard to believe that two cyl. have dropped compression after a test drive. Logic tells Me Gnarly touched something and caused a problem. Again.....
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1750 on: Jan 15, 2019, 05:05:50 AM »
I think You did something wrong. back off all the rockers to out of spec loose. Then reperform the comp test. See what You get then.
I find it hard to believe that two cyl. have dropped compression after a test drive. Logic tells Me Gnarly touched something and caused a problem. Again.....

Hey bgen.... as always I appreciate your input.

Geezz... I wish you were right on.  But I have a gut feeling that there is definitely some mechanical failure either in the head, valves, or pistons.  If a head gasket failed I should be able to see some indications.

I understand the reason to do a compression test with the rockers loose and no chance for a cam lobe to open a valve.  I'm pretty sure I'm going to see the exact same results.  Number 1 cylinder has been low from the beginning of my rebuild - just not THAT low.

I will see if I have time to do a leak down test this coming week end.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1751 on: Feb 02, 2019, 11:53:42 AM »
Update:  February 2, 2019

Test results:

Compression – engine warmed to normal running temp, plugs removed, throttle wide open, injector fuse pulled, coil wire pulled.

#1 = 33 lbs.
#2 = 65 lbs.
#3 = 155 lbs.
#4 = 150 lbs.

Leak Down test – piston TDC per cylinder, at firing order.  Gauge PSI @ 75 PSI

#1 = 11 PSI -  leak % = 85% - air leaking out exhaust
#2 = 13 PSI -  leak % = 83% - air leaking out exhaust
#3 = 64 PSI – leak % = 15% - pushed coolant out radiator filler, no bubbles detected, air leaking out rocker cover
#4 = 42 PSI  - leak % = 44% - air leaking out rocker cover

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1752 on: Feb 02, 2019, 12:06:46 PM »
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1753 on: Feb 02, 2019, 03:42:27 PM »
You ever rotate the engine over while feeling the valve lash across the entire circumference of the suspective valve, especially at tdc?

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1754 on: Feb 02, 2019, 04:18:10 PM »
You ever rotate the engine over while feeling the valve lash across the entire circumference of the suspective valve, especially at tdc?

Hey E.... OK... I apologize....  I'm not sure I understand what you are asking?  Feeling... so while someone is rotating the engine - by hand?  Like that slow.. or do I rotate the engine with the starter?  How do I feel the "valve lash across the entire circumference of the suspected valve" at TDC? 

So I feel the rocker as the cam rotates completely around from the bottom of the base circle around ramp over the cam lobe and back around to the  bottom of the base circle - one complete revolution of the camshaft?

Is that to detect a bent valve stem?

I've never done that.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1755 on: Feb 02, 2019, 04:24:51 PM »
"So I feel the rocker as the cam rotates completely around from the bottom of the base circle around the to base circle - one complete revolution of the camshaft?"  Yes, if you take the valve cover off again it wouldnt hurt.  Yes crank engine over by hand.  Aftermarket cams are weird.  Ive seen alot of weird high and low spots in cam lobes.  I always try to adjust to the highest spot of the lobe where there isnt supposed to be lift.  Just see if its too tight when its not supoosed to be.  Also, u have adjustable timing gear?  Make sure it hasnt moved...

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1756 on: Feb 02, 2019, 04:33:03 PM »
"So I feel the rocker as the cam rotates completely around from the bottom of the base circle around the to base circle - one complete revolution of the camshaft?"  Yes, if you take the valve cover off again it wouldnt hurt.  Yes crank engine over by hand.  Aftermarket cams are weird.  Ive seen alot of weird high and low spots in cam lobes.  I always try to adjust to the highest spot of the lobe where there isnt supposed to be lift.  Just see if its too tight when its not supoosed to be.  Also, u have adjustable timing gear?  Make sure it hasnt moved...

OK.. I gotcha!!  I don't have an adjustable cam gear.  I do have an engnbldr cam.  Bgen has stated that he has seen defective cams from engnbldr.  The valve lash has gone tight about every 1500 to 2000 miles.  This 261C cam has the tightest valve lash spec I've seen.  7/9.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1757 on: Feb 02, 2019, 04:37:07 PM »
"So I feel the rocker as the cam rotates completely around from the bottom of the base circle around the to base circle - one complete revolution of the camshaft?"  Yes, if you take the valve cover off again it wouldnt hurt.  Yes crank engine over by hand.  Aftermarket cams are weird.  Ive seen alot of weird high and low spots in cam lobes.  I always try to adjust to the highest spot of the lobe where there isnt supposed to be lift.  Just see if its too tight when its not supoosed to be.  Also, u have adjustable timing gear?  Make sure it hasnt moved...
I told him to back all the rocker arms way way off and redo the comp test.
He was supposed to have already done this. He is a bit of an askhole (listens to expert advice then procedes to do things his own way)
I told him He is doing something wrong and the test data does not add up. To many things wrong all at once.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1758 on: Feb 02, 2019, 04:58:42 PM »
I told him to back all the rocker arms way way off and redo the comp test.


If I do the compression check with rockers backed off so both valves remain closed, what should the reading be?  With both valves closed, there is no air being pumped?  The air that is in the cylinder will be compressed to show an instant reading.  If the reading goes down, the air is being pumped out, either through leaky valves/guides/seals, through the rings, or head gasket?

I will do it... but I don't believe that will it make any difference other than the readings will be slightly different - lower.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1759 on: Feb 02, 2019, 04:59:43 PM »
Gnarly, bestgens finds are mutual, so mutual that we actually diagnosed one together...  This is the reason we keep saying alot of the same stuff

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1760 on: Feb 02, 2019, 05:04:29 PM »
Gnarly, bestgens finds are mutual, so mutual that we actually diagnosed one together...  This is the reason we keep saying alot of the same stuff
I have told him for a while that the engine builder cams are garbage and that I had first hand experience with it.
Your statement makes no sense but I know what Your talking about
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1761 on: Feb 02, 2019, 05:08:49 PM »
Makes complete sense.  The sidejob we did (les shwab) that had 2 dead holes after you did a new cylinder head, we found they had no/low compression(remember my chitty compression gauge). It also ate its speedy sleeve and oil was everywhere.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1762 on: Feb 02, 2019, 05:21:56 PM »
Makes complete sense.  The sidejob we did (les shwab) that had 2 dead holes after you did a new cylinder head, we found they had no/low compression(remember my chitty compression gauge). It also ate its speedy sleeve and oil was everywhere.
Yes I remember. I said I know what You are talking about.  :smack:
This is where I learned what low quality cams Engine builder sells. They are low quality cam regrinds.
Also where I learned that an after market extra tight front crank will not work with a speedy sleeve.  :smack:
I think His name was Josh?
I'm sure this is what Gnarly has too. Been saying that for a few weeks.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1763 on: Feb 02, 2019, 05:29:14 PM »
I will do another compression check tomorrow morning - per the Toyota King, Prince, Guru, Master Mechanic, Toyota God, and other Royal titles.   :biggthumpup:

There is a mechanical somewhere.  It was running fine after adjusting the valve lash. Took it for a ride. Tach'd it up a about 3 times to 5,000 RPM. Parked it. Started it up about 6 hours later.... #1 cylinder was not firing? I believe the failure occurred when I was running through gears, I suspect I did NOT notice any misfire when I drove slowly back into the subdivision where I live.  It could not have failed sitting for 6 hours.  I suspect valves, valve seats.  The rings were bad from the beginning of my rebuild.  I don't see how the throttle response was so good if the camshaft was seriously defective.... but... I'm not an engine builder. :gap:

I don't have a speedy sleeve.

By the way, I have spoken to the man who supplied engnbldr's cams.  I will call him tomorrow and have another chat.  He's been doing/gringing cams for over 20 years, he's a really nice guy and sounds like really knows his poop!  I plan to put my truck on jack stands for the time being.  I will pull the camshaft (engnbldr 261C) and see if the cam grinder/supplier will look at it and mic it and tell me what he thinks.

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1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~26,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1764 on: Feb 02, 2019, 05:35:23 PM »
Hey Gnarls,  I've been following your post for quite a while hoping someone else would come up with a solution.  With a problem like yours I have an old sparkplug that I've busted out the ceramic/electrode and had a brass valvestem brazed onto the top.  You screw that into the plug holes one at a time with all the valves closed add some compressed air and listen, look and watch for where the air makes it's escape.  Out the rad. it's head gasket, out the valve cover it's rings, out the exhaust burnt ex.valves, intake bent or bad in,valve.  Sometime simple solutions solve problems the quickest and no burnt fingers.  Hope this helps.   :therethere:
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1765 on: Feb 02, 2019, 05:43:47 PM »
Slabzilla... I like the trick.

How often do these heads (aftermarket) have a valve seat, valve guide fail?  It went about 26,000 miles after the rebuild.  Although it was burning a quart of oil every 600 miles, it ran great, good throttle response.  Only got about 17.5 miles per gallon on 87 octane.

I was surprised to see the coolant pumping out the radiator filler!! ... head gasket?  :disturbed: ... head gasket was from engnbldr's kit.  Shoulda gone by my gut.... Fel-Pro!!

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« Last Edit: Feb 02, 2019, 05:55:23 PM by Gnarly4X »
1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~26,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1766 on: Feb 02, 2019, 06:53:23 PM »
Slabzilla... I like the trick.

How often do these heads (aftermarket) have a valve seat, valve guide fail?  It went about 26,000 miles after the rebuild.  Although it was burning a quart of oil every 600 miles, it ran great, good throttle response.  Only got about 17.5 miles per gallon on 87 octane.

I was surprised to see the coolant pumping out the radiator filler!! ... head gasket?  :disturbed: ... head gasket was from engnbldr's kit.  Shoulda gone by my gut.... Fel-Pro!!

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Come on Gnarly!
Head gasket needs to come out of a Toyota package. You still haven't learned this yet.  :smack:
Cheaper is not better.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1767 on: Feb 03, 2019, 05:20:29 AM »
Come on Gnarly!
Head gasket needs to come out of a Toyota package. You still haven't learned this yet.  :smack:
Cheaper is not better.

 :haha:  :)bestgen4runner ....  :ha_ha: :laugh: :hahaha: :joke:

bgen.... I know how to push your "Toyota" buttons!!!  :gap: :yupyup:

When, and if I do it, the head gasket will be a Toyota factory part.  :thumbs:

To be absolutely clear.... I DON'T KNOW IF THE FAILURES I THINK HAVE BEEN DETERMINED BY MY LEAK DOWN TEST AND COMPRESSION TEST IS DUE TO POOR QUALITY PARTS, DEFECTIVE PARTS, MY LACK OF ENGINE REBUILDING SKILLS, OR SOME OTHER REASON.

I would like to ship this engine to Jim at 22RE Performance and have him tear it down and inspect it and tell me what happened.

Again.... hindsight is 20-20!!  I had mulltiple conversations with Tod at engnbldr.  I asked him about the historical head and head gasket issues with the 20s/22s.  He said the gasket in the "kit" is the same used for the 22RET engines.. sounded like it was a top quality part!   At that point in my research, I didn't have any valid reason to believe he was bs'ing me.  I had also checked with my local head rebuilding shop here and he said his experience with DNJ parts was good.  Of course, I should have done more research and have conversations with other well-known Toyota engine builders.
 
I know there are as many "opinions" as there are parts selection and ways to rebuild an engine.

In the words of Plato...  "Opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance.

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« Last Edit: Feb 03, 2019, 05:27:52 AM by Gnarly4X »
1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~26,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1768 on: Feb 03, 2019, 06:20:39 AM »
sorry to hear about all of this gnarly. i know you put a lot of time, thought, money and effort into this.
I'm very interested in any quality issues with engnblgr products. I have their head/cam too but next to zero miles. I got it running and then tore down suspension etc and years passed    :gap:

i tossed the gaskets in favor of OEM...

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1769 on: Feb 03, 2019, 08:08:56 AM »
sorry to hear about all of this gnarly.

Hey cbeers,

Thanks, I appreciate the empathy.  :beerchug:

Well… I was trying to keep myself out of the 100s of posts and threads on these forums that most of us have read over many years about the guys who rebuilt an engine and then had minor issues to major failures.

I *thought* I was doing everything right.

At this point, when the engine is torn down and inspected, my gut says there will be some defective parts (piston rings?) and improperly built head or defective parts (valve seats, cam?)

Since the valve lash went tight several times (I’m not sure why the valve lash would go tight. Doesn’t the lash typically go loose on these engines?), causing a misfire, I assume one or more exhaust valve may be burned.

I believe the choice of head on these engines is critical.  I dodged the expense of a head from LCE or 22RE Performance.  LCE wants $1,050 for their head with a cam, but I have to buy their rocker assembly at $500.  That makes the head alone at $1,550.  At the time I decided to start my rebuild, I didn’t have enough money in my budget to go that route.  Of course now, it’s an easy justifiable expense, and the “savings” is certainly NOT worth going through the time, money, and frustration of what I’m going through now.  There’s a reason why it takes Jim at 22RE Performance 40 hours to build an engine.  Assuming a factory 22 can go at least 200K miles, with the new high quality parts available for today’s rebuild it should make a rebuilt engine go to 200K+ miles.  For my 20,000 miles average miles driven per year, and conscientious maintenance, that would mean I should get 10 to 12 years out of an engine before a major rebuild.... or a basic head job.

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1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~26,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

 
 
 
 
 

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