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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #960 on: Jun 29, 2017, 06:47:46 PM »
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Negatory!  You "need" to find the leak, if there is one, and fix it.... exhaust leaks are bad news, and it will bug the crap out of you.  Both of my DT headers had to be machined or filed to true up the flange.  I think the smaller amount of metal on header flanges get way hotter than the stock manifold... this makes for paying attention to the header nuts and proper gasket seal... that's just my experience.

Drive another truck.... yeah in the past when I've driven another Toy truck, I realized that my 85 22R had 4 hairy gonads compared to the ones I drove!  I tuned the poop out of it.... best vehicle I ever owned.

You installed a CC252 cam?  Why did you choose that one?

I hope to get back to finishing my project soon.  I have to pull the tranny and fix the input shaft leaking seal, I hope its that?  Then I have get the AC recharged.  Then I can adjust the valve lash again and put some miles on it.

I'm anxious to determine if this 261C cam is the RIGHT cam for this rebuild.

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« Last Edit: Jun 29, 2017, 06:55:15 PM by Gnarly4X »
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #961 on: Jul 02, 2017, 06:02:01 PM »
I didn't install the 252, the truck had it when I bought it. Judging by your spreadsheet though I would have seriously considered it in my build. I went with the 261 mainly for price, but with all the money this ended up costing an extra 100 would not phase me at all, haha.

Having been on the interstate a few times in the last couple days though I must say I am pleased with the 261 at those speeds. No regrets there. I can get up to 4K rpm in fifth no problem and that's nearly 90 mph with my gearing.

Off road I have the duals so I don't really care about low end torque, there is plenty.

A little more pep around town would be cool, but hardly worth tearing into the head. This truck is mainly for recreation, which is highway miles and off roading. I have a car that gets great mileage for everything else.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #962 on: Jul 03, 2017, 03:56:25 AM »
I didn't install the 252, the truck had it when I bought it. Judging by your spreadsheet though I would have seriously considered it in my build. I went with the 261 mainly for price, but with all the money this ended up costing an extra 100 would not phase me at all, haha.



10-4 on the "all the money this ended up costing an extra 100 would not phase me at all, haha. "

Yeah... I WAY underestimated costs, and did not anticipate some fixes and replacements.

I bought the head with the cam from engbldr mainly for two reasons - #1 convenience of having the cam installed as a package, and #2 I have been curious about the 261C cam.  At that time, total budget for my rebuild was also tight.  If I could go back 12 months, I would purchase the Stage 2 head and cam from 22RE Performance.

So... I decided at the last minute to order it from engbldr, and NOT go with the CC252S.....  at this point I regret that decision, but hopefully time will tell and I will be OK with the 261C.  I still have a gut feeling concern about the amount of overlap and ECU being able to compensate for it.

Again, it seems like the posts I've read about the 261C has widely varied, so I have to see what MY experience is.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #963 on: Jul 03, 2017, 11:11:34 AM »
I am looking forward to your impressions when your motor is sorted out!

I have to wonder how some people can be completely happy with this cam (me) while others think it is actually causing the motor to run incorrectly. Either there are some serious quality control issues or the motor has other problems that the cam is getting the blame for.

For what it's worth I do think engnbldr gets a bad rap just because it is on the cheaper end of things. For myself I have bought a few timing kits and various other timing parts and front-end kit stuff (water pump, oil pump, etc) and always been completely happy. Never had a failure. Now, I do stay away from their gaskets and seals. I don't think they are necessarily bad, but I go Toyota with that stuff. My local dealer has pretty great prices and that is worth it for a few extra bucks.

22re Performance? Hard for me to think they are worth the money, at least for the full rebuilds. Maybe their head with cam for $950 is worth it. Idk. I have close to the equivalent of their Stage 2 motor for just over half the price. There is no way that motor is twice the motor mine is. I had mine built with quality parts from the best machine shop in Northern Colorado by a guy who knows his way around the 22re. His bill for that was $1k. 

My rebuild got expensive because i replaced a TON of things that got pulled as part of the R&R. If I was looking at 3k for JUST the motor, I would have put some sort of TBI 4.3 chevy in there instead, haha. To each his own though.

Sure you can go down the rabbit hole and put super high end everything in to a 22re but WHY? In the end it is still a noisy tractor motor.  /rant
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #964 on: Jul 04, 2017, 04:39:02 AM »
I am looking forward to your impressions when your motor is sorted out!


Hey andykrow,

I agree that engbldr has gotten some bad rap and good rap too. Ted and Tod know their stuff, no doubt, and for many years have been an excellent source of information and aftermarket parts for the early Toy community.  Their pricing is very reasonable and makes it nice to buy from a reputable source, especially for many of us that just want to keep our Toys alive without melting a credit card or toasting our checking accounts.

I do have some concerns about the quality.  For the timing chain kit, I had to modify the drivers side guide to get the t-cover to fit I was not happy about that and it was frustrating to fix.  As I mentioned, my 261C cam may have an issue with the location of several lobes?  If true, then I suspect poor quality control during the casting.

22RE Performances prices are steep, and I could not afford their short block or long block for this project.  However, there stuff  appears to be top notch quality, and like engbldr Jim and Jerry are almost always available for questions.

And yes. at this point in my rebuild project, resurrecting my truck out of storage after 4 years, for what I have invested in money and time (north of $5K), I would have considered a swap.  I agree that there are lots of posts of guys dumping lots money into a 22 and they are still NOT completely satisfied.

I will get my engine running right and report my impressions and experience.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #965 on: Jul 19, 2017, 10:57:31 PM »
My fuel pump damper (on front of fuel rail) is leaking and I found this in researching it........

https://www.motor.com/magazinepdfs/012004_08.pdf


The third paragraph on page 2 (article is pages 8-9, so it's also page 9) sounds vaguely familiar  (if this is the correct thread)
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #966 on: Jul 20, 2017, 01:24:30 AM »
My fuel pump damper (on front of fuel rail) is leaking and I found this in researching it........

https://www.motor.com/magazinepdfs/012004_08.pdf


The third paragraph on page 2 (article is pages 8-9, so it's also page 9) sounds vaguely familiar  (if this is the correct thread)

Hey emsvitil,

THAT is a golden nugget!  Thanks for sharing.

Yes, I was having, and perhaps still, a mixture issue - at least based upon my butt dyno and the color of spark plugs.  I sprung for the fuel pressure gauge, and based on the tests, I believe the fuel pressure regulator is OK.  However, I did not suspect the fuel damper as a possible malfunction that would affect the mixture.

It's obvious that Toyota is very proud of these parts, fuel pressure regulator, fuel damper, sensors, etc.  Replacing them without completely diagnosing the failure can get expensive quickly, as many of us have experienced.

If I could borrow Rod Taylor's "time machine" or Doc's flux capacitor equipped De Lorean, and going back in time, I would NOT rebuild a 22RE.  I just don't like having to dealing with the potential parts, testing and failure that can affect MommaECU's happiness.  I would give my left testicle to have my old 1985 22R back.

On the damper.. shortly after buying this 1986, the damper was leaking.  I discovered that someone had removed it or replaced it and did not re-install both copper sealing washers.  I replaced this part around 2007 because it rusty. corroded, and leaking fuel.  Could it be bad again.. yes.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #967 on: Jul 20, 2017, 01:41:28 AM »
In 89,   Toyota got rid of the damper on 22REs.

It seems it's possible to replace the damper with a banjo bolt.    Search '22RE damper delete'


I figured that mine lasted 31 years, so I just ordered one online from pepboys, will pickup this evening.      There's currently a 20% discount coupon if you order online and pickup at store (probably 20% if you order online and have it shipped too).   


BTW,   just had to remove the intake tube to get to the damper with a wrench and push the wire for #1 injector out of the way.    The strange thing was that the injector rotated when I move the wire.     I would think the injector would be stuck in place after 31 years and 174k miles........
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #968 on: Jul 20, 2017, 02:31:41 AM »
In 89,   Toyota got rid of the damper on 22REs.

It seems it's possible to replace the damper with a banjo bolt.    Search '22RE damper delete'


I figured that mine lasted 31 years, so I just ordered one online from pepboys, will pickup this evening.      There's currently a 20% discount coupon if you order online and pickup at store (probably 20% if you order online and have it shipped too).   


BTW,   just had to remove the intake tube to get to the damper with a wrench and push the wire for #1 injector out of the way.    The strange thing was that the injector rotated when I move the wire.     I would think the injector would be stuck in place after 31 years and 174k miles........

Hmmm... I don't remember having to remove the intake tube?... it's only been about 10 years.  The injectors will rotate, the o'ring shrinks.  But yeah, I would think it would be stuck.

I'm not a big fan of "delete" stuff, and thinking I'm out smarting those Toyota engineers.  So, will removing it and installing a banjo bolt diagnose a bad fuel damper?

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #969 on: Jul 20, 2017, 02:37:26 AM »
Intake tube = tube from throttle body to air cleaner
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #970 on: Jul 20, 2017, 02:41:22 AM »
Yes, I think a banjo bolt would troubleshoot the fuel damper.

It's M14x1.5


I didn't like the idea of the banjo bolt either, but for a quick test it should be fine.      Banjo bolts are much cheaper.........


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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #971 on: Jul 20, 2017, 02:44:41 AM »
Intake tube = tube from throttle body to air cleaner

OK, yes, I had to remove that.  :smack:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #972 on: Jul 20, 2017, 02:52:53 AM »
Oh, the length of the banjo bolt (not including head) would be 30mm   (Since I have the old damper sitting on top the washing machine)
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #973 on: Jul 20, 2017, 11:32:28 AM »
Oh, the length of the banjo bolt (not including head) would be 30mm   (Since I have the old damper sitting on top the washing machine)

Thank you.  Technical input is always appreciated. :thumbs:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #974 on: Oct 15, 2017, 01:59:12 PM »
UPDATE:  10-15-2017  :willynilly:

Admiittedly, Ive been procrastinating at finishing this rebuild.  I still have the rear diff that is leaking at the pinion flange, the power steering box is leaking, and I need to do the exhaust system a DT header and 2 exhaust with a new muffler.  And, the AC needs to be recharged after sitting in my garage for almost 4 years.  By the time Im done, I believe I will have over $6,000 in this complete rebuild.  :yikes:

I pulled the tranny and t-case out this morning.  Took me 3 hours 6 minutes (Im probably slower than the average) from the time I plugged in the air compressor to the time I got a shower, and sitting back down on the couch with a glass of Black Cherry Kool-Aid.  :gap:

I will remove the bell housing and pull the bad seal - and hopefully have a new input shaft seal by Tuesday, and replace it on Wednesday, and get it back installed.  :thumbs:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #975 on: Oct 15, 2017, 04:26:51 PM »
Oh NO.........

You drank the Kool-Aid.


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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #976 on: Oct 15, 2017, 05:52:35 PM »
Oh NO.........

You drank the Kool-Aid.


 :yikes:



Yeah... I'm KA drinker now.  I gave up Jim Beam & Sprite and Bacardi & Cherry Coke 5 years and 3 months ago... saving $85 a month!!  I make a gallon of Kool-Aid for 97 cents.  I use 1/2 cup of Stevia and 1/2 cup of Sugar and 2 packs of Kool-Aid.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #977 on: Oct 16, 2017, 07:52:27 AM »
Progress!
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #978 on: Oct 18, 2017, 02:09:53 PM »
Yay, back on the build!

Any thoughts on the 261 cam and what your plans are on that end.

I'm at 5k-ish miles on the rebuild and I am loving my setup. I have also driven my buddies rig a few times on big road trips (which is a recent rebuild with 35k miles, DT/open exhaust and a 252 cam) and my truck is just destroying it on all fronts. Better pickup and better mpgs, and quieter valve train. Granted, it is a bit apples to oranges since he is running 33's and 410's, and I am 35s / 529s. I still have to do my first valve adjustment after the rebuild so I am hoping to gain a littler performance there.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #979 on: Oct 18, 2017, 07:06:24 PM »
Yay, back on the build!

Any thoughts on the 261 cam and what your plans are on that end.

I'm at 5k-ish miles on the rebuild and I am loving my setup. I have also driven my buddies rig a few times on big road trips (which is a recent rebuild with 35k miles, DT/open exhaust and a 252 cam) and my truck is just destroying it on all fronts. Better pickup and better mpgs, and quieter valve train. Granted, it is a bit apples to oranges since he is running 33's and 410's, and I am 35s / 529s. I still have to do my first valve adjustment after the rebuild so I am hoping to gain a littler performance there.

Hey

Yes, Im back at it.

Very happy to read that your engine is catz-a$$!!  :beerchug:

Im concerned that you have NOT adjusted the valve lash before 5,000 miles!!!!!????  :yikes:

Im not feeling the power with this rebuild that I thought Id feel.  I still have some tuning to do, but its feeling sluggish.  Only 200 miles on the break in, but I think it should be more peppy than it feels.  :smack:

I talked to my good friend engine builder and off-road racer today. When I get the tranny back in and the rear diff seal fixed Im going to let him listen to it and drive it.  :greengrin:

Ill post up a report.  :D

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #980 on: Oct 18, 2017, 07:51:44 PM »
what cam did you end up with?
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #981 on: Oct 19, 2017, 04:06:12 AM »
what cam did you end up with?


Hey 79coyotefrg,

I have not changed the cam that came in the RV head from engbldr - the 261C.

I have a what sounds like a deep tick or light knock that I'm concerned about.  Using my stethoscope and probe, I can hear a deep tick on the rocker cover and top of head when probing.  I don't think that the rockers are making the noise.  The sound is like 1 or 2 cylinder cycles - not like even sounding rocker tick. I think its sounds deeper, maybe a valve.  I don't think the noise is normal.  I don't know where it's coming from.  I need to isolate the noise.  When I get the leaks (input shaft, rear diff, and steering box) fixed and the AC recharged, I plan to drive to Lake Havasu and visit the boys at LCE.

My thought was to simply change the camshaft to see if has anything to do with the noise, because it should be an easy swap without moving the head, right?

At this point, and at 200+ miles on the break-in, I'm very disappointed and frustrated.

If I could turn back time, I would swap in an GM LS 5.3L engine, for less than the $5000+ I now have invested in the 22RE!

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #982 on: Oct 19, 2017, 08:35:00 AM »
When it's up and running again I can recommend a trick that might just make your noise go away.
Old 22re trick that I have seen work many times.  :usa:
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #983 on: Oct 19, 2017, 09:26:04 AM »
Im concerned that you have NOT adjusted the valve lash

Yeah I should really get on that. They never actually tighten over time though, do they? That would be the only thing I am worried about.

Just got done with a brake upgrade (Highly recommended on the SFA trucks!) so I'm not feeling too motivated to do more truck work. But it's easy enough. I'll get on it this weekend.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #984 on: Oct 19, 2017, 03:11:49 PM »
When it's up and running again I can recommend a trick that might just make your noise go away.
Old 22re trick that I have seen work many times.  :usa:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #985 on: Oct 19, 2017, 07:10:13 PM »
Hey 79coyotefrg,

I have not changed the cam that came in the RV head from engbldr - the 261C.

I have a what sounds like a deep tick or light knock that I'm concerned about.  Using my stethoscope and probe, I can hear a deep tick on the rocker cover and top of head when probing.  I don't think that the rockers are making the noise.  The sound is like 1 or 2 cylinder cycles - not like even sounding rocker tick. I think its sounds deeper, maybe a valve.  I don't think the noise is normal.  I don't know where it's coming from.  I need to isolate the noise.
pull the valve cover now if you arent busy otherwise and see if any of the rockers feel loose.   it is VERY common for them to loosen up after having run in even 200 miles.


 
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When I get the leaks (input shaft, rear diff, and steering box) fixed and the AC recharged, I plan to drive to Lake Havasu and visit the boys at LCE.

My thought was to simply change the camshaft to see if has anything to do with the noise, because it should be an easy swap without moving the head, right?

At this point, and at 200+ miles on the break-in, I'm very disappointed and frustrated.
you will be okay if you used a MLS head gasket but a graphite gasket may be compromised.  I HIGHLY recommend the LCE cams  at the very least the .440 cam but if you want real power get the .450 or .460 cam
I have to replace my cam I just can't justify using the one i have with the damage it has :rivers:


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If I could turn back time, I would swap in an GM LS 5.3L engine, for less than the $5000+ I now have invested in the 22RE!

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you dont want to do that.  all that extra weight and wiring.  wires are EEVIIILLLL

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #986 on: Oct 19, 2017, 07:11:42 PM »
Yeah I should really get on that. They never actually tighten over time though, do they? That would be the only thing I am worried about.

Just got done with a brake upgrade (Highly recommended on the SFA trucks!) so I'm not feeling too motivated to do more truck work. But it's easy enough. I'll get on it this weekend.
no they dont tighten but they DO loosen up over even the first 500 miles

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #987 on: Oct 19, 2017, 07:19:03 PM »
Turn the key counterclockwise?

That trick didn't work!!  :moon:

I tried it about 12 times just to make sure it absolutely would NOT work.  :gap:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #988 on: Oct 19, 2017, 07:30:36 PM »
no they dont tighten but they DO loosen up over even the first 500 miles



So theoretically with a new head, valves and seats, if the valve face squishes down into the valve seat, wouldn't that make the valve lash tighter?  :dunno:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #989 on: Oct 19, 2017, 07:38:45 PM »
1. The valve stem and rocker arm tip getting pounded along with some rubbing will make the lash looser.

2. The rocker arm and cam lobe rubbing together will make the lash looser.


I think 1&2 above would have more effect than the valve face and valve seat make things tighter
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