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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1140 on: Dec 29, 2017, 09:30:16 AM »
I think Gnarly would tell you that he was using a trusted aftermarket product.  Toyota parts are known quality and expensive. Aftermarket parts can be a better value but seem to come with some risk.

It’s possible that Gnarly’s issue isn’t directly related to the parts he used. Only time will tell.

Ok I get it. We're still pretending Rock parts, where a master rebuild kit cost like 250 dollars, are comparable to Toyota? :outtahere:
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1141 on: Dec 29, 2017, 10:01:10 AM »
That is just gasket glue. I use the same stuff. I thought we were talking about silicone or gasket maker.


How does it work for you?

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1142 on: Dec 29, 2017, 10:10:12 AM »
It is used like contact cement. apply to gasket surface (one side) and to metal surface. allow both to dry then press them together. Used to hold gasket to metal surface.
It is not meant to be used alone?
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1143 on: Dec 29, 2017, 12:20:36 PM »
It is used like contact cement. apply to gasket surface (one side) and to metal surface. allow both to dry then press them together. Used to hold gasket to metal surface.
It is not meant to be used alone?


Oh... it requires a mate?

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1144 on: Dec 29, 2017, 12:33:53 PM »
http://gasgacinch.com/
This is the original and best stuff You can get. It's a Mechanic's secret.  :shhh:
You won't find it in a store.  :tantrum:
I have looked.  :smack:
Every shop I have worked at uses it.  :sly:
They have technical instructions For You to look at Gnarly  :willynilly:
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1145 on: Dec 29, 2017, 12:50:28 PM »
Bestgen is trying to deceive you. He knows the best gasket maker is The right stuff :rofl2:
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1146 on: Dec 29, 2017, 12:52:45 PM »
This is the original and best stuff You can get. It's a Mechanic's secret.  :shhh:
You won't find it in a store.  :tantrum:
I have looked.  :smack:

I have found it at the O’reiley’s near me. I love that stuff. I don’t use sillycone anymore unless I have to.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1147 on: Dec 29, 2017, 02:17:49 PM »
I like Hylomar.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1148 on: Dec 29, 2017, 03:37:47 PM »
I like Hylomar.

Have You tried the Girly glue? You won't go back if You do.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1149 on: Dec 29, 2017, 04:09:39 PM »
Have You tried the Girly glue? You won't go back if You do.

No.

What's the shelf life once it's been opened?
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1150 on: Dec 29, 2017, 06:02:00 PM »
http://gasgacinch.com/
This is the original and best stuff You can get. It's a Mechanic's secret.  :shhh:
You won't find it in a store.  :tantrum:
I have looked.  :smack:
Every shop I have worked at uses it.  :sly:
They have technical instructions For You to look at Gnarly  :willynilly:


I've been using this stuff since the 80s. Napa auto parts always has it in stock
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1151 on: Dec 29, 2017, 09:33:46 PM »
No.

What's the shelf life once it's been opened?
Years as long as the cap is screwed back on tight.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1152 on: Dec 30, 2017, 02:44:05 AM »
Yeah.. I've used gaskacinch in the past.  I haven't used it for awhile... don't get very many chances. :dunno:

I think it has limited use on a 22 rebuild.  If were R&R'ing frequently, it does have a faster clean and prep.  :thumbs:

As we know, everyone has their favorite goop and methods.... if it ain't broke.. don't fix it.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1153 on: Dec 31, 2017, 07:25:53 PM »
UPDATE:  12-31-17

I will NOT get my Toyota parts until Tuesday afternoon, so I will install the new rear crank seal on Wednesday and hopefully get the tranny back in and everything hooked up again.  If the new clutch disc is oiled, I will have to order another one and that means I won’t get it back together until next Sunday, possibly the following Wednesday.

I spent 2 hours of foreplay with my truck today.

I got the truck up on jack stands and unbolted the anti-sway bar.  I removed the shifter bezel, shifters, starter, disconnected electricals and speedo cable, unbolted the slave cylinder, removed the grease shield, drive shafts, and cross member, strapped tranny to tranny jack and supported the end of the tranny.

Tomorrow I will unbolt the bell housing and drop the transmission & t-case, pull the pressure plate and flywheel and check out the leak.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1154 on: Jan 01, 2018, 12:07:50 PM »
UPDATE:  1-1-2018

https://imgur.com/a/mZWoi


I had the tranny dropped in 40 minutes and the PP, clutch, flywheel, and flexplate off in another 10 minutes.

Now I’m REALLY exasperated.  :smack:   :down:

The oil appears to be transmission gear oil – NOT MOTOR OIL.  I had my wife with her super nose sniff motor oil from the dip stick and the oil sitting in the bottom of the bell housing. She said there is a difference.   :yesnod:

There is no evidence that motor oil is leaking around the crank seal or seal housing.  :dunno:

The engine side of the flywheel is completely dry as is the engine side of the clutch disc and pressure plate.   :dunno:

There appears to be a very light film of oil on the tranny side of the pressure plate and clutch disc. :snare:

If it is transmission gear oil (Mobil 1 synthetic), I have not figured out yet HOW and WHERE it is leaking from, but it is most likely coming from the input shaft seal or seal housing gasket, or bolts.  Where else could transmission gear oil come from?  :dunno:

I’ll take the bell housing off and see if the input shaft seal is defective or damaged.

I cannot image myself taking any better precaution or doing anything differently to insure the very best installation of the new Toyota factory seal and gasket?  :confused:

The Toyota God’s may be punishing me for some reason!!??  :sad2:

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« Last Edit: Jan 01, 2018, 12:22:01 PM by Gnarly4X »
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1155 on: Jan 01, 2018, 04:44:36 PM »
UPDATE:  JAN 1, 2018 PM

https://imgur.com/8qwjeYd

https://imgur.com/sed4TZe

I removed the bell housing and the seal housing.  There was gear oil inside the shaft tube where the TO bearing rides.  The new seal is definitely leaking gear oil.  None of the bolts were leaking any gear oil and the gasket and Ultra Grey seemed completely sealed.

The input shaft boss where the seal rides has no perceptible groove from wear that could cause the seal to allow gear oil passed it.

I mic’d the ID of the housing tube, the boss on the input shaft, and made a close guess on the inside diameter of the contact area of the seal.  I determined that the seal ID, where it rides on the boss of the input shaft, is only about .009” to .010” smaller diameter than the boss.  My guess is that the seal is allowing gear oil to pass, get onto the input shaft and sprayed inside the bell housing, onto the clutch fork and out the hole.

Since the parts guy ordered it based on my VIN #., it is unlikely it is the wrong seal.

I ordered a National and an SKF seal from Rock Auto. I will compare the three seals.  I will order the gasket from my Toyota dealer tomorrow, and I will cancel the crank seal order.

I will polish the input shaft boss.

I'm not sure yet about the clutch disc.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1156 on: Jan 01, 2018, 05:42:50 PM »
The oil appears to be transmission gear oil – NOT MOTOR OIL.  I had my wife with her super nose sniff motor oil from the dip stick and the oil sitting in the bottom of the bell housing. She said there is a difference.

really? it doesn't take a super nose to smell gear oil lol. gear oil is really just unpleasant to say the least.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1157 on: Jan 01, 2018, 05:58:17 PM »


Is that seal in backward gnarls? Sure looks like it to me.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1158 on: Jan 01, 2018, 06:19:51 PM »
Ok, i was curious enough that I just pulled a front off a w56. Your seal is in backward.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1159 on: Jan 01, 2018, 06:27:41 PM »
really? it doesn't take a super nose to smell gear oil lol. gear oil is really just unpleasant to say the least.

Hey 299k,

You need more experience with gear oil.

I have Mobil 1 Synthetic in it.  It smells way different than dino based gear oil.

My noise is not nearly as good as my wife's sense of smell.

I once lost a bet to her.  In a blindfolded test, she can smell the difference between her favorite gin and two other different brands.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1160 on: Jan 01, 2018, 06:30:07 PM »
Yep, it's backwards.   

Didn't notice that the first time I looked.


Spray the pressure plate, flywheel and clutch disk with brake cleaner.

Then I'd boil the clutch disk in boiling water.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1161 on: Jan 01, 2018, 06:31:56 PM »
Gear oil doesn't smell as much as it used to.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1162 on: Jan 01, 2018, 06:35:29 PM »


Should look like this. Found it on Google mine was way dirty
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1163 on: Jan 01, 2018, 06:57:29 PM »
When I went to install the new one, I looked at both sides and decided it would be very difficult to insert it into the housing without damaging it.  I also recalled that the old one was installed the same way??  :dunno:

There's no excuse for my incompetence, but it's not the most bone-headed thing I've done while working on my trucks.  It's interesting that most of these type of seals are almost always installed the same way... BUT I can see how this seal needs to be inserted into the housing with the cups facing the source of the gear oil.   :smack:

I am happy to get this leak fixed.  :gap:

redneckcustoms13... I owe you big time for catching that and your help will come back to you!!  :beerchug:

I can add that to my list of "How to FUBAR a seal without even trying"!!

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1164 on: Jan 01, 2018, 06:59:50 PM »
Yep, it's backwards.   

Didn't notice that the first time I looked.


Spray the pressure plate, flywheel and clutch disk with brake cleaner.

Then I'd boil the clutch disk in boiling water.

OK, thanks.  :beerchug:

I'm surprised you didn't catch that.. you are always on forum alert!!  :gap:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1165 on: Jan 01, 2018, 07:03:13 PM »
I'm glad it was something simple.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1166 on: Jan 01, 2018, 07:12:50 PM »
I'm glad it was something simple.

Yeah... me too.  I'm going to bed tonight wondering why in all my years of installing seals.. this one has to be installed BACKWARDS!!  It never even occurred to me.  And, I am feeling like a ree-tard, but relieved that I know why it was leaking... it was bugging the crap out me.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1167 on: Jan 03, 2018, 07:08:55 AM »
What does the FSM mean - EXACTLY - with the Oil seal depth:

.449” – 0.472” from retainer end???? :dunno:

https://imgur.com/EUAlUD4

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1168 on: Jan 03, 2018, 10:35:51 AM »
I normally look at the sea depth before removing. I also look for witness marks to indicate seal depth.
fsm as a last resort. I think it refers to the bearing retainer.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #1169 on: Jan 03, 2018, 01:14:21 PM »
I normally look at the sea depth before removing. I also look for witness marks to indicate seal depth.
fsm as a last resort. I think it refers to the bearing retainer.

What does Toyota mean by “retainer end”?

The bore area where the seal sits has a depth of .490” from the edge of the bore face to the inside of bottom face before the chamfer face.

If I insert the seal into the seal bore so that the bottom of the seal is sitting .462”, which is about half way between the spec, I would have to insert it so that I can measure .152” from the seal lip to the edge of the bore face (.310 + .152 = .472”).  the bottom face of the seal will be sitting about .018” from being full seated to the bottom of the bore.

However, logically, the “measurement” for the spec of .449 to .472” would be attainable by measuring the top of the lip of the seal from the edge of the top of the seal bore.

But...if the “from retainer end” is the gasket surface, .462” would still be within possible spec range.  Because… from the gasket surface on the housing to the top of the bore is .350”. Inserting the seal, which is .310” thick, into the bore so the top edge of the seal will be .112” for the top edge of the bore, it will add up to .462”.

The .310” thick seal only rides on the input shaft boss area of .350”.  The seal appears to have 2 angled rubber contact surfaces.

I have ordered another seal and gasket from my Toyota dealer, and should have by Friday, and will have the two others (SKF and National) that I ordered from RockAuto, by Tuesday.  I’m just curious how they look, material, and measurements.  :gap:

https://imgur.com/cd29gi5

https://imgur.com/yWFKcBq

Gnarls. :inthedark:
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