The Tuki Suzuki - Toyota drivetrain, Samurai body

[Hyena]

pirate's being baught out by trail-gear, can't say anything bad about them or you get the boot.  But whatever, you can't stop Rick from making cool stuff!

[MT4Runner]

How much is the 6-pin hub mod?

[Yota87Truck]

that is stupid that ya got kicked off pirate... at least marlin is cool, and so is the build... that approach angle will be sweet

[Duffil]

that is stupid that ya got kicked off pirate... at least marlin is cool, and so is the build... that approach angle will be sweet

well, I think we are less biased anyway(TG doesn't pay the bills)

[Jordan7118]

How much is the 6-pin hub mod?

I think it's about $150.

Man, it's tense over on PBB. By tense, I mean times are gay 

This is really a loss to PBB and a gain to Marlin  Now we're getting a little more love. God Bless Rick

[70 Cam Guy]

I've been following this thread for so long I can't remember if it's been asked.  Is there any reason you chose the 27 spline Longs as opposed to the 30 spline Longs?  Is it budget mostly?  I remember you saying a while back that you were trying to save where you could and reuse what you could.  Are those strong enough for the large tires and the 3rz?  (i really don't know, not trying to be a smart ass)

I'm still trying to decide between the 27 and 30 spline longs for my truck and all I'm looking to run is 37s and eventually dual cases

[4RnrRick]

BTW guys - I slept like a Rock last night.............

I had the 6 pin mod done about three years ago and I think it was $30 a piece + shipping everything there. So for 2 hub bodies + 2 locking hubs (plus 1 spare hub) = $150 I think.

[gnob]

BTW guys - I slept like a Rock last night.............

dude, dont lie....
you know you were up all night running through more designs on the Zuk.

[jedrattle]

BTW guys - I slept like a Rock last night.............

I had the 6 pin mod done about three years ago and I think it was $30 a piece + shipping everything there. So for 2 hub bodies + 2 locking hubs (plus 1 spare hub) = $150 I think.

Do you think it's possible to do this in the garage? I have a drill press. It doesn't look that difficult but I am a little nervous. I need to do 4 axles worth!

[4RnrRick]

As for 27 vs 30 spline.......Thats a hard question for me to answer. Ive hashed it out on Pirate a few times and it seems like people don't think the same way I do - Including Bobby Long. And thats fine. So I'm going to expalin how I feel about it again here.

Bobby Long (I believe) says the failure of a 4340 Longs is the stub shaft of the birf (now that they have 300M guts). Hence as far as the body of the Longfield is concerned, the 27 and 30 splines are identical in strength since there is no differences in the stub.

But I feel the 30 spline inner star is WEAKER than the 27 spline star because it has a bigger hole in it. And I've seen the 30 spline star crack and then spin on the inner axle and trashing both pieces, the 30 spline long and the 30 spline inner axle. I'm not sure how Bobby Long handles that carnage with his warranty, but "I thought I heard" him warranting the birf, but you had to buy a new inner shaft since that part didn't fail. Kinda like if a hub gears breaks and takes out you the splines on the end of the birf - your screwed warranty wise since the birf didn't fail - the hub gear did. However I have NOT seen a 300M 27 spline inner star crack and take out the inner axle. again - thats was just my impression of his warranty years ago - he could have changed his pratices today since he is a toyota rock star! and I fully support his products - so I'm not bashing him at all!!!!

30 spline inner axles are definately stronger than 27 spline inner axles - I have no agruement there.  But I did have an issue with the inner axle seals. I feel that using a 30 spline inner axle, since its full diameter and not necked down like a OEM 27 spline that it puts too much stress on the inner axle seal when installing because the birf does not slide straight into the knuckle ball, but rather it goes in AND down. Which means your rubbing the top lip of teh seal when you install them and you can see this through the top trunnion bearin ghole when you install a birf. But now that Marlin has his HD really flexible Inner Axle Seals, thats probably a mute point.

Now for trail cranage - I have seen people break the stub on the 4340 long & crack the star of a 30 spline 300M inner star & crack the bell off a 4340 Longfield & even break the hub gear and spin the splines off the birfs stub shaft. Even with all this - I have not seen anyone break a 30 or 27 spline 4340 inner axle shaft.

Lastly - if you run 27 spline stuff and break one piece of it, you can swap it out with a single OEM part and keep going. if you run 30 spline - you have to swap out both parts.

Anyways - thats how I look at it. And not everyone agrees.

I upgraded to these 27 spline 4340 chromoly longs and poly performance inner axle shafts probably 3-4 years ago and they are still going strong. and at that time I spend more doing this combination that the 30 spline set is today. The reason why I say upgrade to these - is because I wore out my previous set of old school ringed Longs. Yes, I'm a Bobby Believer!

I forsee no issues with these 4340 27 spline Longs and my 39.5 Iroks under this 3400 lbs sami. I'm more concerend about Toy 8" Ring&Pinoins than I am with the birfs.

[4RnrRick]

Do you think it's possible to do this in the garage?

Not really - the pins need to align perfectly to be of any benefit! Even if you made a JIG - I doubt you could get everything a nice tight fit with a drill press. HendrixMotorsports has the jigs and the CNC equipment to do it right the first time. I say just send them there. you won't be sorry IMO.

[twistedtoy92]

damn that is coming together very nicely!!!

[854RUN]

x2, Lookin killer Rick 

[Mikeyg79]

Didn't Bobby Long say if you used his stuff with his stuff (like hub gears and a 30spline set) that it's all warrantied? So if the star cracked and took out the inner, since it's both his stuff - it's covered?

[4RnrRick]

Like I said:

I'm not sure how Bobby Long handles that....

But early on - I believe it only applied to the part that actually failed. (as it should me IMO.) Say I break a Long and it takes out a R&P and the Locker - I would talk to Bobby about the Longfield and the other carnage would be on my dime - thats how I would do it... Same goes if I broke a birf and it took out my inner axle. Its the whole cause and effect thing - If I break something that causes a major manfunction and I go tumbling down a cliff - who is liable....? Me for being in that situation and the manufacture for ONLY the original part that failed.

Anyways - I'm a Bobby supporter and have had to NEVER use his warranty. His products speek for themselves quite loudly that they are the best on the market and he has done so much for the sport - its nuts! Just like Marlin!

[kiyul4130]

Bobby Long (I believe) says the failure of a 4340 Longs is the stub shaft of the birf (now that they have 300M guts). Hence as far as the body of the Longfield is concerned, the 27 and 30 splines are identical in strength since there is no differences in the stub.

But I feel the 30 spline inner star is WEAKER than the 27 spline star because it has a bigger hole in it.

I forsee no issues with these 4340 27 spline Longs and my 39.5 Iroks under this 3400 lbs sami. I'm more concerend about Toy 8" Ring&Pinoins than I am with the birfs.

i feel the same way as you. i think when the time comes and if i decide to upgrade to the 39.5s i believe my 27 spline (300m star) set will be able to take the abuse. i agree with all your statements you said and especially the ones i quoted above about them being equal in strength because of the difference in size of the star and the inner shaft size differences.

[KDXSR5]

Well, now you guys got me second guessing my choice of 30 spline Longs. If the 27 spline chromoly kit from Long is as strong as the 30 spline kit, I will now buy the 27 spline kit. The only question is, is the long spline inner available for the 27 spline kit? I would need this for my e-locker, at least thats what I am told.

[kiyul4130]

i think if you ask them what you will be needing they can get it out to you or point you in the right direction. i think front range splines the shafts for the elockers.

[KDXSR5]

Ok, thanks for the info!

[MtnToys]

Well, now you guys got me second guessing my choice of 30 spline Longs. If the 27 spline chromoly kit from Long is as strong as the 30 spline kit, I will now buy the 27 spline kit. The only question is, is the long spline inner available for the 27 spline kit? I would need this for my e-locker, at least thats what I am told.

I think the long splined inner your referring to is for landcruiser 9.5 elockers.  8" mini truck elockers (including 8" hipinion from the front of an fzj80) take the same inners as non elocked thirds.

[KDXSR5]

here it says long spline are for e-lockers or cable lockers. http://toyotasuperaxles.com/

I will worry about it more later on when I need them.

[Jordan7118]

It's just for the 9.5 e-lockers. They engage by sliding on the axle a little bit further, IIRC...

[4RnrRick]

It's just for the 9.5 e-lockers. They engage by sliding on the axle a little bit further, IIRC...

yes....












Got the other side put together. Then mocked up the front end at full compression with about 15.75" belly hieght at street tire pressure. Now I think I'm going to shoot for about a 21" belly hieght at street pressure for about 5" of up travel. So at trail pressure that will probably put me around 19.5 - 20" belly.

[KDXSR5]

Thanks for the info all! Now I will go back to being quiet and drooling.

[THK Matt]

the front FINALLY sits on shoes.... that look amazing

[Duffil]

the front FINALLY sits on shoes.... that look amazing

  looks kinda like 25% of a truck to me

[THK Matt]

notice i said the front sits on shoes.... not the truck sits on shoes.... difference

[70 Cam Guy]

I upgraded to these 27 spline 4340 chromoly longs and poly performance inner axle shafts probably 3-4 years ago and they are still going strong. and at that time I spend more doing this combination that the 30 spline set is today. The reason why I say upgrade to these - is because I wore out my previous set of old school ringed Longs. Yes, I'm a Bobby Believer!

I forsee no issues with these 4340 27 spline Longs and my 39.5 Iroks under this 3400 lbs sami. I'm more concerend about Toy 8" Ring&Pinoins than I am with the birfs.

wow that was way more information than I was expecting.  Thanks for taking the time to write all that up

You ever find yourself down in the bay area, I'll pick up the first round

Knowing that you're comfortable with the 27 spline longs with the power and tires you're running, I think I'll sleep easier running the 27 spline set on my truck and save a little of that money for something else

[46&2]

Knowing that you're comfortable with the 27 spline longs with the power and tires you're running, I think I'll sleep easier running the 27 spline set on my truck and save a little of that money for something else

No doubt. That was some very useful information, thanks for taking the time to explain it all and lay it out for us. Cheers   

As always, beautiful work, i feel like an incompetent retard looking at what you create every day 

[Jordan7118]

Here's what gives me hope - Rick hasn't always been this good. That's what I find most inspiring. Here's a pic I found of some work on his first 4Runner - his namesake.



I'm not hatin' on the work, as it got the job done. His work was a coal, and through pressure and dedication we're seein' diamonds! 

Good work, Rick, and thanks for the inspiration!