Toyota Chinook Build!! Mach 2.

[Jason E.]

hmm. ill need some pictures. so your saying chopping your runners whole top off? or is this a first gen? that's the question... haha

http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=98687.msg1099361#msg1099361  <]----- My rig


Oh yeah. First gen. Pictures are in my signature below. Clink the link to my new build thread. Yes first gen. Removable top. I want to take the top off completely and build a snap back canvas that can be slid tword the cab and strapped in when not in use. Just want to make sure its sealed and strong enoght for Nevada winds and sand for my MoonRocks trip I try to take every year.

[helipilot77]

Like this?

[4xChinook4]

Cool stuff bro. I use that tapatalk app so I don't see signatures. And a lot of other things. . But I will take a look at it. :bigthumbsup:

And helipilot77  that looks sick.!!

Also I'm having trouble with which direction I should go for an engine,??? They would cost close to the same. But both are from 84_ yota .  So far what I've read is that the hybrid is real good for high reving... but I never go past 4000 rpm .

So which has more usable power down low. (Off idle to about 3000 rpm)

A hybrid or a late model 22r??

[84_yota_4wd]

Im a big fan of the hybrid and marlin asked about doing a hybrid when i asked him about the head

[jimbo74]

from what I have heard, yes a hybrid will get you more power, but they seem to be less reliable..... A good, standard rebuild will go a long way

[84_yota_4wd]

Marlin can aslo build you a 22r for 1,200 and a hybrid for 1,400 shipping will be abput 250-300 either way. Thats full rebuild machine work and all

[84_yota_4wd]

Jimbo is right reliabilty is a must in your situation. So a standard 22r is very very reliable. But at the end of the day its your call.

In all reality a 3rz stock has more power than either and is also more powerful its the plan for my truck. 

Best bet for a good 3rz swap is a donor truck

See Big mikes post here http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=19275.0

[jimbo74]

not sure if I saw this earlier in the post, but if you decide to go with a 3rz, you might need to look into your SMOG situation in your area

[4xChinook4]

not sure if I saw this earlier in the post, but if you decide to go with a 3rz, you might need to look into your SMOG situation in your area

Hey thanks for helping out so much guys and paying attention to the build (i.e. SMOG ) ya reliably is key for this "expeditioner" .
And as much as a hybrid is dream of mine to try out. Due to time and money I might end up taking your offer on the 22r  84 _ yota . That is if it's available . A real big bitter sweet moment. But I want to get her just back on the road for spring and summer. And not spend time on building a motor. (Especially as my first time ever breaking into to the block of a motor. :'(  ) it's terrible because I love tinkering and learning but there is still other parts to the build that take money to do to 😐 .... so is that motor offer still available?

And did we ever find out which developed better daily driver Power (idle to say 3500 rpms). Between a hybrid  and 22r second  gen. ?

Jimbo is right reliabilty is a must in your situation. So a standard 22r is very very reliable. But at the end of the day its your call.

In all reality a 3rz stock has more power than either and is also more powerful its the plan for my truck. 

Best bet for a good 3rz swap is a donor truck

See Big mikes post here http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=19275.0

[Jason E.]

Like this?

No not quite, I dont want sliding boxes. Just a floor. Im a simple man. 2x6 stained wood is gonna be nice, not expensive, and I can build a mattress to fit.

4xChinook4 : I would go with a bone stock 22re. Depending on your location even California is not hard to get that swap Reff'd by the state. But for that full swap I recommend a full donor truck. It made my swap 150x faster and easier. Plus a 2wd 22re truck is a dime a dozen where im from. If your in the area my father has been a motor machinest for 30 years and works at a Shop in Placerville, Ca. They go through about 4-8 toyota 20r, 22r, 22re, and 22rte rebuilds a week. There everywhere up there! 

[Jason E.]

Im going for a floor JUST like this on the floor behind my seats in the 4runner. Thats the goal at least! 

[4xChinook4]

Im going for a floor JUST like this on the floor behind my seats in the 4runner. Thats the goal at least! 

Killer bro, so basically you want it exactly as you said it... Haha sometimes we read into things a little bit too far. and yes the smart choice for me right now but probably get the 22r from 84 Yota and just swap over my carb cam and header. And be done with under the hood for a while and then go to fuel injection once the rest of the truck is said and done..

[Jason E.]

Killer bro, so basically you want it exactly as you said it... Haha sometimes we read into things a little bit too far. and yes the smart choice for me right now but probably get the 22r from 84 Yota and just swap over my carb cam and header. And be done with under the hood for a while and then go to fuel injection once the rest of the truck is said and done..

Thats perfectly understandable. Simple is usually best. I just hate anything carborated unless its a v8!

[4xChinook4]

Thats perfectly understandable. Simple is usually best. I just hate anything carborated unless its a v8!

Haha really?? Cuz I love mine... lol just for the simple minded fix on the go in the bush. Kind of mentality .

But to be fair a carb really is just an over glorified toilet bowl... lol.  I'm hoping by the end of the week I'll have to money for the 22r.

[jimbo74]

i would say the 22r would be the best thing for it right now... I have seen mods that people do to the carbs that let it run near vertical

[4xChinook4]

i would say the 22r would be the best thing for it right now... I have seen mods that people do to the carbs that let it run near vertical

Right. Like re routing the fuel vent...

[4xChinook4]

On the webers that is.

[Jason E.]

i would say the 22r would be the best thing for it right now... I have seen mods that people do to the carbs that let it run near vertical

I would love to see this if you have a build thread on the subject?

[Jason E.]

On the webers that is.

Ive herd way to my crap about weber carbs on these toyota motors. I love Weber dont get me wrong but on these 4cyl all I see is issues and smog problems. I could be wrong because I have no tested this in my own personal opinion.

[4xChinook4]

Ive herd way to my crap about weber carbs on these toyota motors. I love Weber dont get me wrong but on these 4cyl all I see is issues and smog problems. I could be wrong because I have no tested this in my own personal opinion.

Hey Jason! I'm actually reading over your build thread right now. Haha.. and yes the webers get a lot of crap. But I really do love mine. granted I'm coming from a 20r carb so none progress. But the progressive  32 to 36 is great. And very SIMPLE. That's why I like it. Only 2 lines. Vacuum  advance and gas.

If I was going to complain. It would be about a finicky idle  when cold. Never had the the problem  for the few start ups with the new cam. (not sure if that was a culprit) but when I would first go to start her up in the morning I would have to hold the throttle  myself before she could keep herself alive on her own. This was the first start up of every day for about 5 mins a day. after this though she would just perrr...

[Jason E.]

Hey Jason! I'm actually reading over your build thread right now. Haha.. and yes the webers get a lot of crap. But I really do love mine. granted I'm coming from a 20r carb so none progress. But the progressive  32 to 36 is great. And very SIMPLE. That's why I like it. Only 2 lines. Vacuum  advance and gas.

If I was going to complain. It would be about a finicky idle  when cold. Never had the the problem  for the few start ups with the new cam. (not sure if that was a culprit) but when I would first go to start her up in the morning I would have to hold the throttle  myself before she could keep herself alive on her own. This was the first start up of every day for about 5 mins a day. after this though she would just perrr...

See, I have never ran one so I couldnt give a opinion like that. I had my 20r and the only issue was the spaghetti factory of vacuum lines under my hood. First chance I got I did a 22re swap and by all means it was the best thing I ever did. No issues aside from TPS adjustment. Plus I say way more bang for my buck at the gas station! 

[4xChinook4]

See, I have never ran one so I couldnt give a opinion like that. I had my 20r and the only issue was the spaghetti factory of vacuum lines under my hood. First chance I got I did a 22re swap and by all means it was the best thing I ever did. No issues aside from TPS adjustment. Plus I say way more bang for my buck at the gas station! 

Ah nice bro. Ya the 20r vacuum lines are a jungle!! Haha

And how hard was your 22re swap? I know immortal said " it's a stupid simple engine to swap"  would you agree?

Ya and I'm curious to see what my milage  will be with the 22r . I got 28 mpg through  mountain passes of Colorado on a 170 mi trip. With a 20r that had minorly bent intake valves!! With compression  I think about 150 across board. Can't wait to see what I get with the Mitchells 22r.

[Jason E.]

Ah nice bro. Ya the 20r vacuum lines are a jungle!! Haha

And how hard was your 22re swap? I know immortal said " it's a stupid simple engine to swap"  would you agree?

Ya and I'm curious to see what my milage  will be with the 22r . I got 28 mpg through  mountain passes of Colorado on a 170 mi trip. With a 20r that had minorly bent intake valves!! With compression  I think about 150 across board. Can't wait to see what I get with the Mitchells 22r.

I got 30+ in mine with 35x12.5x15 and 4.10 open gears.

The 22re swap was a walk in the park due to having the parts truck. And I have no clue why people swap the gas tank. I just put the 22re pump in the stock gas tank set up and it did great. Also my G52 transmission bolted right up. Untill I swaped to my w56. Witch was the same also. Aside from that the wiring was the only hard part but sense I hated EVERYTHING in my interior and truck I swap the ENTIRE truck harness from the 1988 into my 1979. Taillight to headlight. including cutting my dash to adapt the 1988 gauge cluster. Buit with how clean your dash is I would wire your gauge cluster into the new harness. I did my swap complete in about a week.

[emsvitil]

How slow are you going to get 28 30 mpg?


The best I've ever gotten on my 86 22RE is 22 mpg (before ethanol)

I'm usually around 17 now........

[4xChinook4]

How slow are you going to get 28 30 mpg?


The best I've ever gotten on my 86 22RE is 22 mpg (before ethanol)

I'm usually around 17 now........

Not sure if this question  is directed  at me or Jason. But for conversation  sake, let's say it's me.... sorry, feel ' n like a wise guys.   but through Colorado it was an average speed of 50 to 55 mph. And I think I only passed one person. Lol it was an over sized load creeping at 30 mph. Hahaha  

But I'm not totally exact on my reasoning but here's how I got it.

A full tank is about 19 gl. I used no more than a third of gas(at most) to get there.. a third of 19 divided by  a 170 mi. Yada Yada yada..... came to 28.333 or something.

some thing i should mention though. This is a trip that my buddy did in about 2 hrs in his 2011 jeep jk. It took me about 4 hrs. With a smige of traffic.

[onemanarmy]

did you fill up the tank as much as you could, drive some, and then refill the tank as much as you could to get an accurate gallons used?  Or just go by the gauge?    These old gauges are way off, if they even work anymore.

What do you drive while the camper is broken?

[twistedtoy92]

How slow are you going to get 28 30 mpg?


The best I've ever gotten on my 86 22RE is 22 mpg (before ethanol)

I'm usually around 17 now........

I doubt the speedometer being out of calibration has been factored into this mileage. I have never in my life seen anything better than 25 mpg out of a 22r and that was in my 1982 2wd on 24'' tires and 3.73 gears with a w50 5 speed... and that doesn't happen anymore with this shitty fuel...

[4xChinook4]

did you fill up the tank as much as you could, drive some, and then refill the tank as much as you could to get an accurate gallons used?  Or just go by the gauge?    These old gauges are way off, if they even work anymore.

What do you drive while the camper is broken?

Ya I thought that too.... maybe the Guage is broken. Bit while I've owned this truck  I've dropped the tank. And thoroughly cleaned the inside as well as the fuel float. I even soaked the metal parts in vinegar to help with rust. and I really just went by the gauge. And before my return trip home, with some wheeling thrown in there for a few hours the day before I left. I put $20 in the tank and it filled it back up...

[4xChinook4]

Oh and I'm driving a 98 camry right now. 

[Jason E.]

Ya I thought that too.... maybe the Guage is broken. Bit while I've owned this truck  I've dropped the tank. And thoroughly cleaned the inside as well as the fuel float. I even soaked the metal parts in vinegar to help with rust. and I really just went by the gauge. And before my return trip home, with some wheeling thrown in there for a few hours the day before I left. I put $20 in the tank and it filled it back up...

I went by a aftermarket Autometer Gauge. It was the proper gauge that I had a shop install ( THE ONLY THING I HAD SOMEONE ELSE INSTALL ) because I wanted to make sure it was right. But highway I got average 29-31 mph at 55-60 mph. Maybe the Toyota God loved me maybe I just cant do math but I got this rating through 3 tanks of fuel at the very top of the filler neck with a long bed gas tank ( Its larger to my knowledge ). I ran 89 unleaded from Shell.