Toyota Chinook Build!! Mach 2.

[4xChinook4]

Jims . I've been going there for years. And I'm starting to realize he's kind of ... over priced.

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[4xChinook4]

Sale fell through. the first guy ended up getting it so looks like I'm back on the market.

[4xChinook4]

84 _ yota   .what generation is that 22r?

[4xChinook4]

Also what would be the shipping for that 20r  head?

[Zs Confederate Toy]

Jims . I've been going there for years. And I'm starting to realize he's kind of ... over priced.

My buddies mom owns the Yota Yard, but her and Jim have comparable prices. Your best bet is Craigslist or the Facebook pages, if the shipping turns out to be too much for 84_Yota's. If you have a Facebook check out budget built Yota crawlers, I brewery someone would have a 22r on there.

[84_yota_4wd]

84 _ yota   .what generation is that 22r?

Also what would be the shipping for that 20r  head?

Late gen 22r

25 bucks to denver.

[4xChinook4]

Late gen 22r

25 bucks to denver.

Wow ok bro this is really exciting. But are I'm a little confused. Your saying $25 shipping  for a rebuilt 20r head.?

Or are you saying $25 shipping for the full 22r in your garage.?

[4xChinook4]

Also the local yard ( jims ) has 2 rebuildable 22r early blocks. However hears the difference  between the 2.

#1. Early block with early pistons. (Donut lip) classic/ what you expect

#2. Early block with later 22r pistons. (Slight recessed center)

Now I Remember  Glen, coyote79, said I should get the donut lip milled down to lower the compression for pulling the camper. If I went for the hybrid build

Is this agreeable reasoning?

Would this really feel or act like a hybrid? And if so.. should I just get the 22r early block that already has the "flatter" pistons (late style) in it???     

Option #2 ?

$150 either one

[84_yota_4wd]

Wow ok bro this is really exciting. But are I'm a little confused. Your saying $25 shipping  for a rebuilt 20r head.?

Or are you saying $25 shipping for the full 22r in your garage.?

25 bucks to ship the head bud

[4xChinook4]

25 bucks to ship the head bud

Haha ya ok that's what I thought. And $250 shipping for the 22r. Glad I got it strait. ok thanks I'll be contacting you soon  about it. Thanks bro

[jimbo74]

so maybe I missed something, but you blew your HG..... And put it back together, and still had problems right... What came of that situation? or are you just looking for a new motor now?

[4xChinook4]

Yes well I'm pretty sure I have blow by s I could move my pistons an undesired  amount within the block. And I think I have a crack some where (head, and or block) because  when I crank it over I have next to no compression(I'm sure the blow bye has to do with this) , but once I'm done cranking. I hear bubbles  in my radiator. Why I suspect  a crack somewhere. So far that new head gasket  has yet to leak. So maybe not warped, bad, But she still has these problems.   cracked? And blow bye.

[4xChinook4]

Plus the little idiosyncrasies  of this head already. Such as the bent intake valves from the previous owner, 3 of the head studs for the exhaust are stripped, and one of the mechanical fuel pump bolts is slightly stripped. That one was my fault.  Some things I guess I can make do. but it's either spend over $100 to get the head magnaflux for a crack and new valves. or if the offer is still up, spend about $225 for marlin to build me and new 20r head.

[H8PVMNT]

I would go for the Marlin head.  My 22r head was in similar condition and my total for machine shop work was $237 for valves, springs, a broken guide, milling and pressure test.  This was an almost buddy deal with parts at cost too. So if you can get a head for $225 your right there.

[4xChinook4]

Ya that's what I'm thinking too. And then one of those rebuildable blocks from the yard. I'm still looking for opinions on that by the way.
For a hybrid build would it be better to get the early block with the early 22r pistons or the early block 22 R with the later 22r pistons in it. Glen said a lower compression hybrid would be better to pull my camper. is this agreeable thinking???

[4xChinook4]

Both of these options are available at the yard, just need some opinions and advice for which one I should grab?

[H8PVMNT]

Glen is THE hybrid tech guy as far as I can see...

[4xChinook4]

Glen is THE hybrid tech guy as far as I can see...

That's what I've come to see. . SO.... shouldn't I get the the block with the late pistons in it?  Since that would lower the compression  by not having the "donuts" on them. .

Why do you guys think this would be better by the way.?

lowering  the compression  on a hybrid that is?

[mudmaster]

PM Glen? ?

[twistedtoy92]

 
Go with the early block.

I got my hybrid pulled out the other day and much to my dismay...    It CRANKWALKED!!!    3 thrust bearings were in the oil pan and both crank/block are damaged beyond repair... Sad day...    Thinkin the 78 might just get a JDM twin turbo 2jz dropped in... Hard to justify spending all this money on a 22r/20r hybrid when I can have a 300+ hp inline 6 dual overhead cammed twin turbo'd efi monster for not much more than an efi boosted hybrid single cam setup...  

[4xChinook4]

Go with the early block.

I got my hybrid pulled out the other day and much to my dismay...    It CRANKWALKED!!!    3 thrust bearings were in the oil pan and both crank/block are damaged beyond repair... Sad day...    Thinkin the 78 might just get a JDM twin turbo 2jz dropped in... Hard to justify spending all this money on a 22r/20r hybrid when I can have a 300+ hp inline 6 dual overhead cammed twin turbo'd efi monster for not much more than an efi boosted hybrid single cam setup...  

Haha, I was planning on an early block since it is the only 22r you can bolt a 20 R head to. my question is do I get it with the donut pistons or the dished later model 22r pistons? Thanks for responding though  bro.

[twistedtoy92]

Um... early are domed and laser are dished... so you run a full early 22r short block...

[twistedtoy92]

Have you ever held both side to side and compared them?

[4xChinook4]

And by the way twisted. That is a very sad day.  I feel your pain. Sorry bro. And are you talking about the supra motor?

[4xChinook4]

Um... early are domed and laser are dished... so you run a full early 22r short block...

Ya I have. I thought the early block stock pistons have the donuts ring rising off the face of the piston. ? And yes the later are the dished.

Have you ever held both side to side and compared them?

[twistedtoy92]

20r- 80/81cc chambers, 22r- 82/83 cc chambers, 22re- 52/54 cc chambers. Use early 22r pistons and block with the 20r head...

[twistedtoy92]

If you want lower compression then have a mm machined off the pistons.

[4xChinook4]

Cool thanks twistedtoy92 .  why do you think Glen suggested lowering the compression? 

[twistedtoy92]

If the compression is too high with low octane you'll experience knock which is no bueno for engines. Being your daily driver you don't want too much compression because you'll have to run 92 octane and timing becomes much more critical to prevent predetenation... A good trick is to smooth out any sharp edges in the combustion chamber of the head to lower the chances of hot spots developing on the thin peaks which can cause knock.  Lower compression is a lot easier to tune and deal with for a daily driver