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Actually, the word "Sabbath" shows up on the NKJV in Exodus chapter 16.Genesis 2:1-4 “Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh-day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh-day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh-day and sanctified [made the day holy] it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.”I can’t imagine that God required any form of rest, mental, emotional or physical, so it is logical that He rested as an example of what He wanted us to do. The example is for us to rest from our weekly activities. Mark 2:27-28 “And He said to them, ‘The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.’”This text comes up often to prove that man is not bound by the Sabbath, but I believe that it really means that the Sabbath was made for us to be a blessing. Genesis 8:10-12 “And he waited yet another seven days, and again he sent the dove out from the ark. Then the dove came to him in the evening, and behold, a freshly plucked olive leaf was in her mouth; and Noah knew the waters had receded from the earth. So he waited yet another seven days and sent out the dove, which did not return again to him anymore.” This text doesn’t specifically reference the Sabbath or a sanctified holy day, but it does indicate that the weekly cycle from creation was still being followed.Exodus 16:4 “Then the Lord said to Moses, ‘Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not. And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.’”Exodus 16: 22-23 “And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. Then he said to them, ‘This is what the Lord has said, “Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, and holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.”’”Exodus 16:25-30 “Then Moses said, ‘Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it again in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.’”Exodus 16 makes it very clear that the Sabbath was know prior to the Ten Commandments being given at Sinai. God performed a miracle every day for 40 years to feed Isreal with manna. Five days a week the manna appeared on the ground and spoiled over night, but on the sixth day they were instructed to gather twice as much because it didn’t not appear on the seventh day and it did not spoil.
When you say sin is sin to one person and maybe not the other... as in drinking... I disagree... sin is sin. Its all sin and its all equal in Gods eyes.. we dont determine what is and what is not sin.
On to something new that doesn't apply to much that has been discussed but I currently need help with: My wheeling buddy tells me that he doesn't think he believes in God anytime I bring up religion. What am I supposed to say to him? He has been one of my best friends for quite a few years now, and I would hate to ruin it all now. I guess I don't make friends easily, because most of the kids that I know party all of the time, and I am not into that. Plus many of them don't like wheeling, they just like to go and tear up the land in their high powered destroy-the-land-mobiles (I don't consider this wheeling). In other words, I don't want to lose my good friend over religious beliefs. Should I just not bring it up? Or what? Sometimes it really bothers me that he tells me this stuff, and it makes me feel like I should try to spread the Word to him, but I don't know if I am ready to take on this challenge. Ideas? Thanks in advance for any responses to this even though it is way off topic.
If you say that some things are sin to one person but not another... then who is the judge??? I could say that flirting as a married man is not a sin to me.. but maybe its a sin to you?? Or what about fighting... fighting to me is a sin... but to you its not?? Who is the ultimate judge? Does God say to us... listen here.. for you this will be a sin.. but for you.. its not a sin.. no.. that makes no sense! God determines sin.. and sin is sin.
BD, The only way that I see Mark 2:27-28 "And He said to them, ‘The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath,'" being understood to mean that the Sabbath commandment is no longer binding is to presuppose that the Ten Commandments are no longer applicable, or valid. Anyone that assumes that the Ten Commandments are still binding wouldn't reach the conclusion that this undid the Sabbath.As for what is "ok" to do on Sabbath, a group of friends and I studied this very carefully and only came to the conclusion that the Holy Spirit has to convict individuals. My reason for generally avoiding the technical trails on Sabbath has nothing to do with physical rest, but if my full focus is on the technical aspects of wheeling how can I really enjoy nature, family and time with God? There are translations that say," thou shalt no do thy own work," which makes it easier to understand for me. God wants us to set a day aside from our normal activities to spent time resting and growing in our relationship with Him, this process is different for everyone. An office worker may need to go for a hike, for example, when a construction worker may prefer sitting on the couch. I don't work on Sabbath, but I'm open to phone calls if I have needed information for others to be productive. How can my Sabbath be seen as a blessing by others if it constantly puts them in a bind? My wife is a PA and does work on Sabbath on a rotational basis. Admittedly, I sometimes wonder where the line is between helping people and "working" is and again it is an individual conviction. If a co-worker was planning to work on Saturday for something important and came down sick at the last minute, I suspect I would be willing to fill in.As far as tithing, I can assure you that it is a blessing. There are even financial advisors that will recommend an 80/10/10 plan (10% Savings & 10% Charity) because they know it changes people to donate to a cause that benefits something. I personally give both tithes (God asks for 10% of our income) and offering (because I'm thankful). I know many people that double tithe, but I have chosen 13% total because it is approximately 1/7th of my income to match the Sabbath principle. God doesn't promise that we will have everything that we "want" but He does promise to give us what we need.Done rambling...
Im not sure what you are getting at with the responsibility of sin... I didnt understand the comment... I seem to remember that Davids repentance was not immediate... that it ate at him for a while...
In past discussion the topic of something being sin for one person and not another has been touched on. An example might be drinking might be a sin for one person and not another.Davids repentance wasn't immediate, just as you remember, but he did repent when confronted directly by the prophet Nathan. At that point Nathan tell him that he will not die. It was sort of like a last chance to repent.More clear?
Not really. I too am kind of confused by the relationship between the two?
Today at church the pastor mentioned a text that reminded me of some of our discussion and none of us had come up with the specific text.In past discussion the thought that certain actions can be wrong/sin for one person but not someone else. I THINK it was Chim that didn't agree with this idea.In any case, James 4:17 says, "Therefore, to him who know to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin."The text only specifically covers one side of the arguement, that we are responsible to do what we know is right, but I think it isn't a stretch to understand from the text that we are not held responsible for things we don't understand, don't know, or have not been convicted to do.On a different subject, also from the sermon today, did you know that when David "stole" Bathsheba and had her husband killed he nearly had a Uzza experience? The punishment for his sin was losing four of his sons, but the Lord very nearly killed him on the spot.2 Samuel 12:13-14 "So David said to Nathan, 'I have sinned against the Lord." And Nathan said to David, 'The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die.'"We know that David did die eventually and is one of the great men in the Bible, but it appears that if he hadn't repented of that particulal it may have been the end of David.I thought it was an interesting perspective. What do you think?
It has been a while since there was an active thread on the board that discussed religion. Personally, I enjoyed the discussions because they were more open than I have found discussions to be on the Christian boards. Most of the discussion seem to suffer from "Holy Roller" syndrome. I will start this discussion with a couple of questions.(1) Do you believe that the devil, or his evil angels/spirits, actually exists and is a real live personal being?(2) Do you believe that the devil can influence your life, or thoughts? (3) Do you believe in devil, or spirit, possession?(4) Do you believe that we, as humans, have the right to cast the devil, or evil spirits, out of people that are possessed?I have been reading a series of books written by a man that was personally involved in spirit worship, also known as devil worship, that tell about his experience and his life after becoming a Christian. Blackdog has read the first book that he wrote.Last night I read a chapter in one of the books where he explained his belief that we, as humans, do not have the right to cast the devil out of possessed people. Instead he believes that we are to pray that the Holy Spirit will rebuke the devil. This was new to me. I am in the process of looking at this topic a little more in depth. What do you think?
The earlier generations thing is throwing me off. It isn't saying the same thing to me. *EDIT*Read through the original post and saw this its clearer now, but the wording still doesn't make sense to me? Earlier generations Sorry, can you try to explain that a little better?
or maybe ill wait for the next go around on the christianity thread and jump in on the beginning lol...
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