obama, freeking retard

[TacoRunner]

That is unfortunately what Barack Obama is counting on.  You, like millions of others will vote for him without having any clue what he believes in or knowing his positions on important inssues. 

The Howard Stern show did an interesting test a few weeks ago on the general public in New York.  They interviewed people on the street that were going to vote for Barack Obama.  Then they were asked their opionions on his stance on several issues.  The people all agreed with that stance on every issue they were asked about.  The only problem was they were John McCain's stance on the issues not Obama's.  Obama's stance were just the opposite but the people had no clue whatsoever.     In other words, they believed in everything John McCain supports and Barack Obama opposes but were going to blindly vote for Barack Obama.

OH I love it. Thats awesome

[kneedownnate]

We haven't yet experienced a person who had the charisma, drive, and reasoning to actually pull enough people to their side.

Actually, we have!  Remember Ross Perot?  He had the charisma, drive, reasoning and great business sense to do it all, and without a doubt would have been president had he not dropped out of the race after recieving family death threats.  He jumped back in it soon after, but he'd lost too much support by that point and only stole votes from bush sr., opening the door for slick willy  

[kneedownnate]

The Howard Stern show did an interesting test a few weeks ago on the general public in New York.  They interviewed people on the street that were going to vote for Barack Obama.  Then they were asked their opionions on his stance on several issues.  The people all agreed with that stance on every issue they were asked about.  The only problem was they were John McCain's stance on the issues not Obama's.  Obama's stance were just the opposite but the people had no clue whatsoever.     In other words, they believed in everything John McCain supports and Barack Obama opposes but were going to blindly vote for Barack Obama.

Thanks for posting this!  This only goes to support my statement that the majority of people who can vote shouldn't be allowed to do so.  All the damn lemmings should just follow each other off the cliff...

[Brandon]

wowa..

First off I may not know everything about everyone but based on what I have seen on both sides Obama is a clear winner. I am NOT basing it on ANYTHING I have heard second hand. I heard that already, and that goes both ways.

Maybe you don't know any engineers but we don't do ANYTHING blindly

True I don't know his stance on guns, so what. Maybe he lies in everything he says but from what I have heard I base my vote. Comments like you are most likely gay really help the cause..

Anyway, I am not voting blindly I assure you of that. Also not voting "for the war hero and the hotty."

[79coyotefrg]

That is unfortunately what Barack Obama is counting on.  You, like millions of others will vote for him without having any clue what he believes in or knowing his positions on important issues. 

The Howard Stern show did an interesting test a few weeks ago on the general public in New York.  They interviewed people on the street that were going to vote for Barack Obama.  Then they were asked their opionions on his stance on several issues.  The people all agreed with that stance on every issue they were asked about.  The only problem was they were John McCain's stance on the issues not Obama's.  Obama's stance were just the opposite but the people had no clue whatsoever.     In other words, they believed in everything John McCain supports and Barack Obama opposes but were going to blindly vote for Barack Obama.

a quick google of --> Obama and guns <--- found this

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."

Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views."
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008

[79coyotefrg]

......... Comments like you are most likely gay really help the cause..

agreed,  comments like that need to stay on the play ground at school  not here

[79coyotefrg]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347690,00.html

Obama has consistently supported gun control legislation that came up while he was in the Illinois state legislature and the U.S. Senate.

For example, when Obama ran for the Illinois state senate the political group, Independent Voters of Illinois (IVI), asked him if he supported a “ban [on] the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns” and he responded “yes.”

Realizing how damaging this could prove in the general election, his presidential campaign “flatly denied” Obama ever held this view, blaming it instead on a staffer from his state senate race.

But then IVI provided Politico the questionnaire with Obama’s own handwritten notes revising another answer. Members of IVI’s board of directors, some of whom have worked on Obama’s past campaigns, told Politico that “I always believed those to be his views, what he really believes in, and he’s tailoring it now to make himself more palatable as a nationwide candidate.”

[Brandon]

Taking away our right to bear arms just seems unfathomable to me..

Restricting it is already the case, and should be. The argument is if you need it you can't get it, well you should be trained and prepared all along so that isn't an issue. I got my first gun before 10 but took the hunters safety course at 10 and holding a hunting license right now. I do not have a gun for protection though, I prefer to bludgeon with a bat..

[TacoRunner]

wowa..

First off I may not know everything about everyone but based on what I have seen on both sides Obama is a clear winner. I am NOT basing it on ANYTHING I have heard second hand. I heard that already, and that goes both ways.

Maybe you don't know any engineers but we don't do ANYTHING blindly

True I don't know his stance on guns, so what. Maybe he lies in everything he says but from what I have heard I base my vote. Comments like you are most likely gay really help the cause..

Anyway, I am not voting blindly I assure you of that. Also not voting "for the war hero and the hotty."

Engineers dont do things BLINDLY, thats funny. I say that because I've known a few Engineer's in my time and one thing that they all had in common, was that none of them had any real life experiences in the field's that they studied. Sure they went to school and had Masters and PhD's, but when it came right down to it, most of them over thought the situation they were in so much, that all their eduction really didn't do anything for them.

You dont have to be blind to make the wrong decision.
That sounds pretty blind.

[kneedownnate]

Maybe you don't know any engineers but we don't do ANYTHING blindly

I'd say that's a lie, but maybe it's just ignorance on your part    I've worked on boats for years and can vouch that YES, engineers DO lots of stuff blindly    Just because you feel you do a good job and think things through doesn't mean everybody else holding the same type of job or title does the same!  You're digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole the more you type!

True I don't know his stance on guns, so what.

Then why did you come back by saying you love your guns too?  If you love your guns and don't know YOUR candidate's stance on firearm ownership, you obviously don't love your guns enough!  It's not a passing affair or fancy, but it will be if you vote in Obama! 

Kudos to standing your ground and sticking up for your chosen candidate, but despite saying you've done the research and aren't voting blindly, your admission to not knowing his stances on things which are important to you make you look like a liar and a fool   

Nobody who values their right to access public lands could possibly vote for Obama, but I don't really need to keep pointing out the obvious now, do I?!

Ignorance is bliss, but knowing you're going to get fawked and supporting it is absolutely moronic!!!

[rlwjaw]

because your throwing your vote away voting for anyone else..

Oh how wrong you are. If we give up and submit to this two headed corporate monster then we are throwing away our vote. We have the right but the responsibility to vote in what we believe in. If we vote for anything else then we are truely throwing in the towel. You might as well not vote and allow the giverment tell you how to live your life. If you dont have the back bone to opose the system and encourage others to do the same then you dont have the right to complain when things dont go the way you want.

[Trunkz]

Taking away our right to bear arms just seems unfathomable to me..

Restricting it is already the case, and should be. The argument is if you need it you can't get it, well you should be trained and prepared all along so that isn't an issue. I got my first gun before 10 but took the hunters safety course at 10 and holding a hunting license right now. I do not have a gun for protection though, I prefer to bludgeon with a bat..

the problem with that statement is that it is an individual right to own guns! check with the supreme court on that one if you like... and you cannot restrict a right, if you can it is not a right, check websters dictionary on that one

[Brandon]

I'd say that's a lie, but maybe it's just ignorance on your part    I've worked on boats for years and can vouch that YES, engineers DO lots of stuff blindly    Just because you feel you do a good job and think things through doesn't mean everybody else holding the same type of job or title does the same!  You're digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole the more you type!

Then why did you come back by saying you love your guns too?  If you love your guns and don't know YOUR candidate's stance on firearm ownership, you obviously don't love your guns enough!  It's not a passing affair or fancy, but it will be if you vote in Obama! 

Kudos to standing your ground and sticking up for your chosen candidate, but despite saying you've done the research and aren't voting blindly, your admission to not knowing his stances on things which are important to you make you look like a liar and a fool   

Nobody who values their right to access public lands could possibly vote for Obama, but I don't really need to keep pointing out the obvious now, do I?!

Ignorance is bliss, but knowing you're going to get floped and supporting it is absolutely moronic!!!

Got me there, I do support and there are a lot of people that get into engineering for the wrong reasons.. I don't consider them engineers even if there title says so. The people I know (myself included) are a bit anal about the things we do, tons of research for everything.

rlwjaw - It is honorable that you would go for the little guy, I can only hope an independent or other party eventually becomes president.

I have guns, but I respect them and don't respect those that don't. I can understand the need for restriction, although it is a right it should be respected and not taken advantage of. I use guns for hunting, I won't go into more detail but I respect the right to bear arms and would never want to take that away from anyone.

Can't restrict a right? Yea, don't know about that one..

[BLACKDOG]

Actually, we have!  Remember Ross Perot?  He had the charisma, drive, reasoning and great business sense to do it all, and without a doubt would have been president had he not dropped out of the race after recieving family death threats.  He jumped back in it soon after, but he'd lost too much support by that point and only stole votes from bush sr., opening the door for slick willy  

touche'!  I wasn't old enough to even be interested at politics at the time  

Anyway, I am not voting blindly I assure you of that. Also not voting "for the war hero and the hotty."

Please, please, don't lump all conservatives together with that statement  

[Rocksurfer]

because your throwing your vote away voting for anyone else..

That is exactly what they want you to think, a vote for anyone else is a wasted vote but if enough people start moving their vote to someone that really doesn't stand a chance to win. Those that do win will take notice that things are not status-quo and walk a thinner line. Personally I wouldn't call myself a Republican but I also wouldn't call myself a democrat either. I wouldn't vote for a radical from either side, and what I see in Obama is a radical, don't see it in McCain, that's why I'm voting for Chuck.

[smee907]

Wow, after reading all of this, I can only say wow.... The right to own guns alone is reason enough for me to not vote for Obama. There are plenty of other reasons, like his stance on killing babies, killing small businesses (which my family owns), raising taxes on 40k incomes, ruining our military ect. Saying Palin is trailer trash is an ignorant statement. I'm Alaskan. Palin is not trailer trash. Saying something like that is like saying Obama is a good choice for our country. I think its funny how everyone is comparing the election to being between Obama's experience and Palin's experience, not McCain's. I agree with voting who supports your beliefs the best, but when you get to a certain point it just splits the vote and puts the person who you like the least, or second to least in office... I'm a newb, don't hate me for my comments!!!

[abnormaltoy]

Taking away our right to bear arms just seems unfathomable to me..

Restricting it is already the case, and should be. The argument is if you need it you can't get it, well you should be trained and prepared all along so that isn't an issue. I got my first gun before 10 but took the hunters safety course at 10 and holding a hunting license right now. I do not have a gun for protection though, I prefer to bludgeon with a bat..

You'd better be Ted Williams Jr. if you're going to try and swing on a .45!

As an aside...bats are protected under the Constitution also.  At least until Obama has the chance to appoint some of his comrades to the Supreme Court.

Engineers dont do things BLINDLY, thats funny. I say that because I've known a few Engineer's in my time and one thing that they all had in common, was that none of them had any real life experiences in the field's that they studied. Sure they went to school and had Masters and PhD's, but when it came right down to it, most of them over thought the situation they were in so much, that all their eduction really didn't do anything for them.

You dont have to be blind to make the wrong decision.
That sounds pretty blind.

This killed me. I've worked with a ton of engineers in aviation...and as you said, most couldn't see past the theory of how something is supposed to work all the way to why it didn't work. Very territorial and...uppity.

Oh how wrong you are. If we give up and submit to this two headed corporate monster then we are throwing away our vote. We have the right but the responsibility to vote in what we believe in. If we vote for anything else then we are truely throwing in the towel. You might as well not vote and allow the giverment tell you how to live your life. If you dont have the back bone to opose the system and encourage others to do the same then you dont have the right to complain when things dont go the way you want.

I would gladly give up the Presidency...if Conservatives would hold both houses. I've voted for 3rd party candidates in the past...the thought of Obama, Reid and Pelosi unrestrained scares the crap out of me.

[Brandon]

Please, please, don't lump all conservatives together with that statement  

I am not, I was told I was voting blindly but I can't tell you how many people are saying they are voting for the "MILF." Anybody that makes a decision based on seeing the two in action rather than propaganda is doing their duty to select who they think is best, regardless of who that is.

[abnormaltoy]

Saying Palin is trailer trash is an ignorant statement. I'm Alaskan. Palin is not trailer trash. Saying something like that is like saying Obama is a good choice for our country. I think its funny how everyone is comparing the election to being between Obama's experience and Palin's experience, not McCain's.

It's funny how her time as an actual Governor of a state isn't qualification to be "a heartbeat away from the Presidency"...but his time in the Senate (mostly campaigning...none managing) qualifies him to have his hand (left hand no doubt) on the launch button.

Hell...just what he has voted for, and been a proponent of, in regards to abortion would be enough to discount him as a viable candidate.

[Brandon]

Wow, after reading all of this, I can only say wow.... The right to own guns alone is reason enough for me to not vote for Obama. There are plenty of other reasons, like his stance on killing babies, killing small businesses (which my family owns), raising taxes on 40k incomes, ruining our military ect. Saying Palin is trailer trash is an ignorant statement. I'm Alaskan. Palin is not trailer trash. Saying something like that is like saying Obama is a good choice for our country. I think its funny how everyone is comparing the election to being between Obama's experience and Palin's experience, not McCain's. I agree with voting who supports your beliefs the best, but when you get to a certain point it just splits the vote and puts the person who you like the least, or second to least in office... I'm a newb, don't hate me for my comments!!!

40k? Enlighten me on that one. Wait till your 12 year old knocks up some chick and see how you feel about choice..

[smee907]

Sorry, but if I had a 12 year old knock up some chick, I'd make him raise the child. Heck I'd even raise it myself. Besides, I wasn't talking about abortion (which I'm fully against) I was talking about not giving a living breathing baby the care to survive after a botched abortion. That's murder.... You have alot to learn.

[smee907]

Oh, and as far as the 40k thing goes he and Biden both voted to raise taxes on households making over 40K

[Brandon]

Sorry, but if I had a 12 year old knock up some chick, I'd make him raise the child. Heck I'd even raise it myself. Besides, I wasn't talking about abortion (which I'm fully against) I was talking about not giving a living breathing baby the care to survive after a botched abortion. That's murder.... You have alot to learn.

That's choice and you are allowed to make yours..


I wouldn't say I have a lot to learn I would say we have a different opinion on the subject and that I accept.

[abnormaltoy]

Sorry, but if I had a 12 year old knock up some chick, I'd make him raise the child. Heck I'd even raise it myself. Besides, I wasn't talking about abortion (which I'm fully against) I was talking about not giving a living breathing baby the care to survive after a botched abortion. That's murder.... You have alot to learn.

That was...the Surviving Baby Protection Act or something like that...correct?

[Toymin8r]

Wait till your 12 year old knocks up some chick and see how you feel about choice..

If had a 12 year old that knocked up somebody or got knocked up I would kick my own ass for bein a bad parent.  Then I would kick their ass for bein a dumb kid.

[Brandon]

ok maybe bad example, how about your 12 year old got raped and pregnant by the 60 year old janitor?

[Toymin8r]

ok maybe bad example, how about your 12 year old got raped and pregnant by the 60 year old janitor?

I am not an absolute pro-lifer.  There are always exceptions for rape or incest.

[kneedownnate]

I am not an absolute pro-lifer.  There are always exceptions for rape or incest.

My thoughts exactly    No girl/women who's raped should be forced to have the baby, and nobody in good conscience should ever suggest they go through with the pregnancy!  My feelings on the matter, which are just my opinion, is that anybody who willingly has sex has just waived their right to abort the pregnancy. 

[jimbo74]

http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=51118.0

[Rocksurfer]

So every woman/girl that has sex will cry rape when they get pregnant just so they can get an abortion and then some innocent kid takes the rap.

Everyone should have the right to make their own choices in life and if it bites them when they die then so be it. Just the same as making the choice to be gay (and I believe it is a choice).