More problems, head gasket mabye??

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reklund5

#90
February 07, 2005, 09:50:28 PM
Schweet!  Glad to help.  Nothing beats hearing an engine light up after some major maintenance!  Have a  :beer:  on me!

Ryan

'84 Hilux, locked, dual-cased, winched, EFI converted, 37" tired, half-doored (in the summer...)
'87 Supra, 400 HP.  smooth as glass at 130 'cause my tires are NEW!...
'92 F250 Diesel, tow rig, ATS Turbo, leveling kit, killer stereo

BLACKDOG

#91
February 08, 2005, 12:27:45 AM
Truck is done, and running well.  Still not quite right, but i think it just needs some tweaking, mabye some timing adjustments, clocking the distributor a little bit,guages are a little wierd, and The check engine light is on.  But it is running fine!!!!!             
:banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin: :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:  :banana:  :hyper:  :wiggle:  :spin:

To Ruger, Waffler, and especially Brandon, I couldnt have done it without you.  My truck would be sitting out somewhere with a shotgun blast to the head if it werent for you guys. :rofl:

THANKS ALL who helped

:beerchug:  :beerchug:  :beerchug:  :bowdown:  :bowdown:  :bowdown:


Is that normal for the check engine light??  Any ideas??
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
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Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

BLACKDOG

#92
February 08, 2005, 12:34:28 AM
And we only finished with a few extra parts :rofl:  :_oops:
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

FATB0Y

#93
February 08, 2005, 04:56:43 AM
Quote from: blackdog on February 08, 2005, 12:34:28 AM
And we only finished with a few extra parts :rofl: :_oops:
:funny:

reklund5

#94
February 08, 2005, 06:04:41 AM
For the check engine light, start by pulling the EFI fuse for like 10 minutes to let everything reset.

For the timing, be sure you've shorted the Te and E1 terminals in the diagnostic port BEFORE adjusting the timing to factory settings (look on the underside of your hood- should be like 5*)  this will set the base timing, and when you remove the jumper wire the ECU will take over and control the timing.

If the check engine light returns, re-install that same Te to E1 jumper wire and count the number of flashes the check engine light makes.  Example:   blink, blink, blink (short pause) blink = code 31.  blink blink blink (long pause) blink blink blink = code 3 
Once you know the code or codes in the system, it'll be a lot easier to correct the problem(s)

Ryan

'84 Hilux, locked, dual-cased, winched, EFI converted, 37" tired, half-doored (in the summer...)
'87 Supra, 400 HP.  smooth as glass at 130 'cause my tires are NEW!...
'92 F250 Diesel, tow rig, ATS Turbo, leveling kit, killer stereo

MiniSimp

#95
February 08, 2005, 07:06:11 AM
Very true.
For the Te and E1 terminals I use a P1000 specialty tool

Brandon

#96
February 08, 2005, 01:51:17 PM
oops, yea I didn't do anything special when I timed it so I am sure something is slightly off. Come on back anytime as long as you don't leave it  :ha_ha:
Brandon Miller
RCRC, Sacramento, CA
www.RiverCityRockCrawlers.com

BLACKDOG

#97
February 08, 2005, 01:55:52 PM
Nah, I wouldnt do that to you again, the only way it'll be left over there again is if you have the pink and i have some $$.  So where are the pics of Wafflers contribution to the job?? :rofl:
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

BLACKDOG

#98
February 08, 2005, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: reklund5 on February 08, 2005, 06:04:41 AM
For the timing, be sure you've shorted the Te and E1 terminals in the diagnostic port BEFORE adjusting the timing to factory settings (look on the underside of your hood- should be like 5*)  this will set the base timing, and when you remove the jumper wire the ECU will take over and control the timing.


so just stick a paper clip in the Te and E1 terminals??  two ends of the same clip?? 
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

MiniSimp

#99
February 08, 2005, 02:03:56 PM
Thats all.

waffler

#100
February 08, 2005, 04:36:48 PM
i had fun the last day.  brandon your kid scout is a cool kid!  :thumbs:
There is no cure for stupidity.  Dribble happens.

BLACKDOG

#101
February 08, 2005, 04:41:14 PM
Quote from: waffler on February 08, 2005, 04:36:48 PM
i had fun the last day.  brandon your kid scout is a cool kid!  :thumbs:

:psss: He's still mad that I made him quit playing trains with scout :rofl:
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

BLACKDOG

#102
February 08, 2005, 09:21:29 PM
Ok, went out and tried all the timing stuff, got a little into it and the exhaust started spewing white smoke, water started drpping out of the exhaust, and there is chocolate milk gunk on the inside of the oil cap.  I am pretty sure we wiped it out, but I am gonna do it again just to check.  Needless to say, I am pretty darn pissed at the moment. :maddest: Not sure what I am gonna do if it is the same problem, cause we replaced that headgasket.  Head was ok too, we threw a straight edge on it, and it was stright, so what does that leave??  unless someone else knows, I'm thinkin cracked block, which will piss me off to no end. 

Brandon, think i could swing by and borrow your compression tester??  Dont worry, not gonna bnring the truck back, There is no way in hell I would do that to you again.  Might borrow that towbar so I can get it back to my parents place though :driving:

Oh yeah, codes for check engine came up, but my manual doesnt have the codes  :smack:   If anyone has them that would be great, i'm gonna try to find them online.

codes 24, 31, 52
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

MiniSimp

#103
February 08, 2005, 10:13:44 PM
 :smack: That sucks!

Here are the codes: http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/codes/

24
INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR SIGNAL--OPEN OR SHORT IN INTAKE AIR TEMP. SIGNAL
INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE CIRCUIT
INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR
ECU

31
MANIFOLD AND/OR AIRFLOW METER SENSOR SIGNAL CIRCUIT
AIRFLOW METER/CIRCUIT
MANIFOLD PRESSURE SENSOR/CIRCUIT
ECU

52
KNOCK SENSOR SIGNAL--OPEN OR SHORT IN KNOCK SENSOR SIGNAL
KNOCK SENSOR/CIRCUIT
ECU

Brandon

#104
February 08, 2005, 10:43:46 PM
That straight edge rocked on there, I dunno how straight it was but really that doesn't tell ya much anyway - ya gotta have the thing tested to really know. You might have a hairline crack in it somewhere..


I am sure reklund5 would probably know best but damn.. you deserve to have that thing run like a champ for all that work :(

No prob on the tow bar, anytime..

There is also a leak down tester, etc..
Brandon Miller
RCRC, Sacramento, CA
www.RiverCityRockCrawlers.com

FATB0Y

#105
February 08, 2005, 11:04:48 PM
 :rivers: sorry to here it BD that really sux :thumbdown:

BLACKDOG

#106
February 08, 2005, 11:42:59 PM
me too, but :pokinit: happens, I can be pissed about it, or I can take care of it
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

RUGER

#107
February 09, 2005, 12:14:48 AM
man that really sucks. just hollar if you need anything.


happy trails
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BLACKDOG

#108
February 09, 2005, 12:20:15 AM
will do, thanks for the help :thumbs:
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

BLACKDOG

#109
February 09, 2005, 12:21:24 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 08, 2005, 10:43:46 PM
No prob on the tow bar, anytime..

There is also a leak down tester, etc..


I dont kow what a leak down tester is :dunno:  i wanna do the compression again as well
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

FATB0Y

#110
February 09, 2005, 02:43:22 AM
Quote from: blackdog on February 09, 2005, 12:21:24 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 08, 2005, 10:43:46 PM
No prob on the tow bar, anytime..

There is also a leak down tester, etc..


I dont kow what a leak down tester is :dunno: i wanna do the compression again as well
Brandon-> :slap: <-BD   FATBOY-> :rofl:


J/K BD ya know I  :love:  You   :rofl:

reklund5

#111
February 09, 2005, 06:10:16 AM
Blackdog-

From the codes you have, I'd say you left the airflow meter unplugged or unplugged it while the key was one.  No biggie.  The knock sensor code is probably caused by a faulty knock sensor wire.  (the one that goes from the sensor to the main harness and slips under the intake manifold)  That little wire should be replaced anytime you replace the upper intake manifold gaskets or take the heads off. 

If you've got milkshake in there again, its possible you've got a cracked head somewhere or tore the back edge of the headgaskets while re-installing the heads.  Either way it sucks and you've gotta take the heads off again.   If they mix fluids, that is usually caused by one of the headgaskets failing at the back near the firewall, but it's impossible to say until you tear it all apart.

???

Sorry to hear the bad news...

Ryan

'84 Hilux, locked, dual-cased, winched, EFI converted, 37" tired, half-doored (in the summer...)
'87 Supra, 400 HP.  smooth as glass at 130 'cause my tires are NEW!...
'92 F250 Diesel, tow rig, ATS Turbo, leveling kit, killer stereo

Brandon

#112
February 09, 2005, 08:28:19 AM Last Edit: February 09, 2005, 08:32:32 AM by Brandon
you've got my luck man..

anyway, you got the process down now  :disturbed:  I was a bit confused as to why the first head gasket wasn't ripped, that isn't normal. So.. maybe it isn't the head gasket  :disturbed:

where is your parents place?

BTW THIS is a blown HG (look between the cylinders). These type are a bit harder to troubleshoot too, since no water ever got in my oil.

Brandon Miller
RCRC, Sacramento, CA
www.RiverCityRockCrawlers.com

BLACKDOG

#113
February 09, 2005, 09:39:32 AM
Parents place is in Vacaville.  Not too bad, could be a lot worse.  No kidding on the process.  I really dont think we tore that head gasket when we put it back together, in fact I am almost positive that we didnt.  We didnt have hardly any trouble getting that head back on.  It was getting it off that was the problem :smack:  I'm betting that there is something else wrong, either with the head or the block.  Knowing my luck, the block is cracked :hammerhead: but I guess I'll find out.  Time to go digging again. :headshake:
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

Brandon

#114
February 09, 2005, 10:00:08 AM
you need to sign up for AAA road service..

100 mile tows FREE, 3 per year. I have gotten towed from the rubicon home on the tahoe side before, FREE. Well ya gotta pay for the service but is worth it!

You don't need to have them for insurance either, it's a different service.
Brandon Miller
RCRC, Sacramento, CA
www.RiverCityRockCrawlers.com

BLACKDOG

#115
February 09, 2005, 10:08:07 AM
I think my parents have it, for their vehicles, not mine. :rofl:  Course mine is more likely to break down, so that makes a whole lot of sense :smack:
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

Brandon

#116
February 09, 2005, 10:09:59 AM
it's not vehicle specific..

I have used mine many times for other people, I'd let you use mine but my broke arse didn't renew it last time (I need to)
Brandon Miller
RCRC, Sacramento, CA
www.RiverCityRockCrawlers.com

BLACKDOG

#117
February 09, 2005, 10:16:23 AM
I'll have to look into it.  See what they have.  I'm really not looking forward to tearing into it again though :joke:
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

MiniSimp

#118
February 09, 2005, 10:40:14 AM
Also keep an eye out for a crack in your head.

BLACKDOG

#119
February 09, 2005, 03:12:43 PM
I really hope the head isnt cracked, that is something I really dont need to deal with right now.  Hopefully it is something that I can get taken care of fairly cheap :crossed:
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent
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