Making Of The Willy Mammoth

Started by Willy Mammoth, November 18, 2004, 08:06:16 PM

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Bazzi

I just got off the phone with the toyota dealer support....?? ?? ?? don´t know what you guy´s call it over there...

anyhow. he told me that the diesel and bensin trucks have the same flywheel.  At least he looked at. the landcruiser and from 1.august ´98 - sept 2002 the bensin models = kzj and the diesel models =kdj had the same flywheel. and he told me that he was 90% sure that the 4runner had the same deal. (he couldn´t find info about the runner but same engines should mean the same deal)

I hope this info is correct and that it helps you.... the only other way for me to find that info would be at the junk yard and he only has engines sitting in trucks.


4runner body on a hilux frame = Hi-Runner.
2,4 dti duals 2,28 x 2,28 to 8" 5.71 with arb´s  and 39,5" trxus
gathering parts for my goal which is
350 Chevy 700r4 auto to 2.28 x 4.70  and 4.88 9,5" cruisers diffs,diamondaxles and cable lockers, 44" richard cepecs

Willy Mammoth

Quote from: BLACKDOG on May 30, 2007, 06:14:41 PM
Mark, check into the 3.0(gas) flywheel being the same.  I've got a flywheel on one of my engines, I can have mikerob run out and measure the diameter, and count the teeth.  I knwo the 3vze(gas) has the same 8 bolts to mount it, and from the diagram, and the picture, it sure looks the same, so that seems like the best bet to me.  :dunno:  Sorry, I can't find any of my books that have my parts lists in them :headshake:

although I did find this link that may be helpful (it contains a download for the toyota database of part #s supposedly, I don't have time to unzip it, and burn it to CD right now) the link is the Toyota EPC#1, EPC#2, and EPC FAQ near the bottom of the page.

http://www.yankeetoys.org/docs.htm

And here is the site it was linked from :thumbs:

http://home.att.net/~benmlee/OEMPartsSource/OEMPartsSource.htm

Black dog,

Get some pics of your flywheel and measurements.

I need to know the overall diameter of the flywheel where the ring gear is pressed on.

Tooth count would be nice, but I am sure the tooth pitch is differant.

Also how thick is it? what is the bolt spread on the crank mounting center to center across the middle? what does the center hole measure?

Is there a shoulder on the crack where it mounts of on the V6?
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Willy Mammoth

Bazzi, thanks for your help. It would be nice if you had access to the flywheel, but there may be a way around this expensive setup.

If the V6 wheel won't work I may make an insert for the auto wheel so the clutch will fit Or I may just get a flat plate an turn a new one and use the ring gear off the auto wheel.

Thanks again for your help.
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79coyotefrg

Quote from: Willy Mammoth on June 01, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
If the V6 wheel won't work I may make an insert for the auto wheel so the clutch will fit Or I may just get a flat plate an turn a new one and use the ring gear off the auto wheel.
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crawlerdan

Quote from: Willy Mammoth on June 01, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
Bazzi, thanks for your help. It would be nice if you had access to the flywheel, but there may be a way around this expensive setup.

If the V6 wheel won't work I may make an insert for the auto wheel so the clutch will fit Or I may just get a flat plate an turn a new one and use the ring gear off the auto wheel.

Thanks again for your help.
have you considered running the auto trans?? and making your duals divorced??

i realize this isnt optimal for yuor use/vehicle length
but its there :willynilly:

Willy Mammoth

Quote from: crawlerdan on June 01, 2007, 06:18:54 PM
have you considered running the auto trans?? and making your duals divorced??

i realize this isnt optimal for yuor use/vehicle length
but its there :willynilly:

Sorry, but WOW, Yes, but I would half to run only one box and the driveshaft will still be 4" shorter. :down:
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79coyotefrg

or  you could  solid mount  the rear axle  and just bolt  the  tcase output  directly to the diff  :dunno:
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Willy Mammoth

Quote from: 79coyotefrg on June 01, 2007, 06:34:25 PM
or  you could  solid mount  the rear axle  and just bolt  the  tcase output  directly to the diff  :dunno:

:slap:
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Rocksurfer

Quote from: 79coyotefrg on June 01, 2007, 06:34:25 PM
or  you could  solid mount  the rear axle  and just bolt  the  tcase output  directly to the diff  :dunno:

Quote from: Willy Mammoth on June 01, 2007, 06:57:09 PM
:slap:

x2 :slap:
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79coyotefrg

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Willy Mammoth

Quote from: 79coyotefrg on June 01, 2007, 07:22:34 PM
:rivers:  everybody pickin on me  :rivers:

Only cause we luv you, but you knew that.
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Bazzi

I am convinced that you could get that v6 wheel to work. you are a smart man, you figure it out....
4runner body on a hilux frame = Hi-Runner.
2,4 dti duals 2,28 x 2,28 to 8" 5.71 with arb´s  and 39,5" trxus
gathering parts for my goal which is
350 Chevy 700r4 auto to 2.28 x 4.70  and 4.88 9,5" cruisers diffs,diamondaxles and cable lockers, 44" richard cepecs

BLACKDOG

Mark, I'll check on the flywheel tommorow (sunday).  Sorry, I've been offline most of the weekend :thumbs:
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BLACKDOG

Don't have the camera hookup for this computer, but I'll post the pics later :thumbs: 

From tip of teeth to tip of teeth, the diameter is 12"  without the teeth, the diameter is 11"
Mounting bolt hole to mounting bolt hole is the same as your pics, roughly 3" 
Thickness of the entire flyhweel is 1-7/8"
Thickness @ the mounting holes is a little less than 1" 

Like I said, I'll get the pics up later tonight, don't have the hook up on this computer 
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

BLACKDOG

:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
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Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

Willy Mammoth

The out side diameter is smaller and it is not as thick.

Looks like the bolt pattern is the same or at least close.

There is a chance it could be used, but the starter would need to be moved inward to contact the ring gear.

Also the gear pitch is smaller.

I think to save time I will need to order the correct flywheel.

Thanks Blackdog.
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79coyotefrg

NO  what fun is  ordering a flywheel  :dunno:

i think you should MAKE ONE  :woohoo:  :hammer:
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CTENG in KS

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BLACKDOG

:thumbs:  sorry it wouldn't work, woulda been nice if it would.  If you do want to experiment with it, let me know, you can have this one if you want it :yesnod:
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

Bazzi

phhh.. .who needs a starter...
4runner body on a hilux frame = Hi-Runner.
2,4 dti duals 2,28 x 2,28 to 8" 5.71 with arb´s  and 39,5" trxus
gathering parts for my goal which is
350 Chevy 700r4 auto to 2.28 x 4.70  and 4.88 9,5" cruisers diffs,diamondaxles and cable lockers, 44" richard cepecs

Willy Mammoth

No worries, I still need to make a bell housing. :rofl2:
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BLACKDOG

Quote from: Bazzi on June 04, 2007, 06:01:48 PM
phhh.. .who needs a starter...

:dunno: could just throw in a hand crank, right?  :hahaha:
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

Rocksurfer

Quote from: BLACKDOG on June 04, 2007, 06:05:35 PM
:dunno: could just throw in a hand crank, right?  :hahaha:

If I'm not mistaken it did come with one originally just in case. :rofl:
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Cracker

OK, I've been lurking the past few pages of this thread, and since I love discovering which Toy stock parts can mix-and-match between different Toy models, AND I love playing with the Toyota EPC, I'll chime in.

Well, I was looking at the diagram of the bellhousing for the manual 1KZ, and it looks almost identical to one from an L-series motor. I know, the diagrams may LOOK the same, but there may be small differences.
Anyway, it looks like the starter mounts in the same spot (ie. angle around the circumference of the bell).
Also, the part numbers are VERY close.
I did some cross referencing between part numbers for the bell, flywheel, tranny bearing retainer, flywheel bolts, clutch (I think), and maybe some other stuff. Unfortunately, i did it using a few different models, and I wrote down notes on a paper, which I've miss placed...LOL

ANYWAY, look into stuff from an L-series. Its late, I'm punchy, and I have CRS, so I cant even remember which series L it was...(1, 2, or 3L) :(
I wanna say it was the same L as used in the LC7# Cruisers.

Give me a couple days (the computer I have the EPC on had a Windows crash (wow!! GO FIGURE!), so I gotta mess with getting everything reinstalled), and I could recheck everything and give you more details, if you want.

Good Luck!
Art

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TwoZeroFour

WOW, 68 pages later. Finally made it.. You are an extremly talanted man.  Your stuff looks so good.  This thread definatly shows any thing is possible. JUST AWESOME!

Willy Mammoth

Cory,

Thanks and welcome to the board.

It helped in my younger years that everyone I talked to said it couldn't be done. That only made me more determined.
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Bazzi

Quote from: Willy Mammoth on June 06, 2007, 04:07:03 AM
It helped in my younger years that everyone I talked to said it couldn't be done. That only made me more determined.

sound familyar.... I just hope that some day I have the time and tools to get close to what you are making.....
4runner body on a hilux frame = Hi-Runner.
2,4 dti duals 2,28 x 2,28 to 8" 5.71 with arb´s  and 39,5" trxus
gathering parts for my goal which is
350 Chevy 700r4 auto to 2.28 x 4.70  and 4.88 9,5" cruisers diffs,diamondaxles and cable lockers, 44" richard cepecs