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1. Yes...but, I don't think Satan is flesh and blood.3. As in "The Exorcist"...probably not. As in consuming ones spirit...yes.
(1) Satan was/is cherubim I don’t know whether or not they are flesh and blood or if they can “take on” other forms. My gut feeling is that evil is more spirit than substance. (2) Depression has at least some base in chemistry, so I can’t say for a fact that is what I mean by being consumed.(3) I need to say that I am in no way a Biblical scholar, theologian or even on the right path in life. I hold rather unusual beliefs, probably unique is a better word. In fact I know more about what I don’t believe than what I believe in.
1) YesSatan, and his fallen angels are real, as are demons.4) I don't know.I'm not sure how I feel about this one. Do I think we have the "right" to? and do I think we can on our own? No However, and I guess this kinda agress with the author, that we can ask that it be done in the name of God never really thought about it before. As a human, we cannot do it, but with God's help we can, I guess would be my short, uninformed answer
It has been a while since there was an active thread on the board that discussed religion. Personally, I enjoyed the discussions because they were more open than I have found discussions to be on the Christian boards. Most of the discussion seem to suffer from "Holy Roller" syndrome. I will start this discussion with a couple of questions.(1) Do you believe that the devil, or his evil angels/spirits, actually exists and is a real live personal being?(2) Do you believe that the devil can influence your life, or thoughts? (3) Do you believe in devil, or spirit, possession?(4) Do you believe that we, as humans, have the right to cast the devil, or evil spirits, out of people that are possessed?I have been reading a series of books written by a man that was personally involved in spirit worship, also known as devil worship, that tell about his experience and his life after becoming a Christian. Blackdog has read the first book that he wrote.Last night I read a chapter in one of the books where he explained his belief that we, as humans, do not have the right to cast the devil out of possessed people. Instead he believes that we are to pray that the Holy Spirit will rebuke the devil. This was new to me. I am in the process of looking at this topic a little more in depth. What do you think?
2. I believe he can always influence you and your thoughts, but not posses a true believer. 4. I believe that we can exorcise... also though.. I believe when it comes to Satan himself.. we need the Lord.. because not even Michael the archangel rebuked Satan but had the Lord do it.. which also shows for some that Michael is not Jesus Christ or the Lord.Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
(2) I would agree, but the problem is that we, as humans, do not have the ability to really know who is a true Christian. (4) This is a poke at a blast from the past topic, but an excellent point it is. Your thought process is very similar to what I will post tonight.
(2) who is a true Christian.
Which brings up the question...what is a true Christian? With as many sects and denominations, who is right? Within Christianity there are at least a couple of dozen different view points. All of them can't be right or they'd be the same denomination. Is following a certain church’s doctrine necessary? Or is it more important to have a relationship with God on a one to one basis? I have major problems with “organized” religion. My relationship with God is just that…mine. Through out the history of the church, it seems to me that it has been more of a political, cultural organization than one that fosters and nurtures people along the road.
Jesus was fully God and fully man
Hope you guys don't mind me joining in but...Also everywhere I went I saw the politics, and conflict within that church itself. The gossip, the divisions... I think a lot of the children understand better than the adults.
Which brings up the question...what is a true Christian? With as many sects and denominations, who is right? Within Christianity there are at least a couple of dozen different view points. All of them can't be right or they'd be the same denomination. Is following a certain churchs doctrine necessary? Or is it more important to have a relationship with God on a one to one basis? I have major problems with organized religion. My relationship with God is just that mine. Through out the history of the church, it seems to me that it has been more of a political, cultural organization than one that fosters and nurtures people along the road.
Which brings up another question, I promise I'm not trying to contrary, I just have questions. I haven't read the book, but why did so many people get upset over the "DaVinci Code" and the premise that Christ married? If, as I believe, Jesus is God made flesh why wouldn't he have married? It's all part of the "human experience". His ministry didn't start at birth, it started well after the time when men his age would've gotten married and started a family.
Yes, demons and fallen angels are two VERY different things. Am I sure what exactly demons are? no, not really. Fallen angels are just that, angels that fell out of grace with God because of their "stupidity" in following Satan and turning from God.
So the second version is the theory that Christ went into Hell (prison of judgemnt) to save some of those that were condemned ?
The two versions seem to say the same thing to me."He went and proclaimed God's salvation to earlier generations who ended up in the prison of judgment (20) because they wouldn't listen."The wicked were preached to and because they didn't listen are under judgement and did not accept the gift of being set free.
It is key to note that we are only able to accept the gospel while we are yet alive.
The earlier generations thing is throwing me off. It isn't saying the same thing to me. *EDIT*Read through the original post and saw this its clearer now, but the wording still doesn't make sense to me? Earlier generations Sorry, can you try to explain that a little better?
Many commentaries and the text suggest that he went and heralded the message accross the great gulf. More like he was confirming the message of the gospel that Noah and others had tried to warn the people about. Not that he was giving anyone a second chance. Because there are no second chances after death.
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