Author Topic: Wenhar's Question Thread (Read 71394 times)

BigMike · « **on:** May 04, 2011, 09:57:31 AM »

Wenhar,

There are many people here who believe you to be a spammer. I want to give you the benefit of doubt, so I have created this new thread for you to ask your questions. Let's reset the clock and post up your questions in this thread please.

Thank you,
BigMike

Wenhar · « **Reply #1 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:10:36 AM »

Quote from: BigMike on May 04, 2011, 09:57:31 AM

Wenhar,

There are many people here who believe you to be a spammer. I want to give you the benefit of doubt, so I have created this new thread for you to ask your questions. Let's reset the clock and post up your questions in this thread please.

Thank you,
BigMike

Oh Wow

Ok Thanks Big Mike,

Well I got this goop, some semi fluid grease, that is used from production in these enclosed steering axles,
Now I am well aware that Mr Marlin makes a heavy duty seal to keep a semi fluid out of the knuckle

But I have studied the matter for quite some time now and these axles are filled with a semi fluid grease from production,

And the reasons why are to me obvious, Now the big thing here is for all you "Do it by the book dudes" what is listed in the Toyota FSM is not only incorrect but incompatible

How in the world is this possible,,,?

Easy the FSM is written by Toyota Motor Sales LTD, the axle is filled up in Japan with a proprietary semi fluid , By Toyota production,,,

So While this may come to a surprize to some this type of grease is known to some in the Toyota aftermarket,

Kurt Williams knows about this stuff,,, says if you know what you are doing will use this correct fluid that last 30 years in this axle,,,

Now this is what this forum stuff is all about, sharing information,,, I just figered every shop, owner , mechanic should know about this correct fluid,,,

Now if you want to read the thread where Kurt mentions about this correct fluid, read "Toyota steering knuckle leak" Thread on Utah Rock Crawler,,,

Step up Crawlers,,,

Wenhar · « **Reply #2 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:24:12 AM »

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Wenhar,

There are many people here who believe you to be a spammer. I want to give you the benefit of doubt, so I have created this new thread for you to ask your questions. Let's reset the clock and post up your questions in this thread please.

Thank you,
BigMike

I have been posting on "Bob is the oil guy" looks like Bob posted up on my new site ( No link sorry no can do)

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But I also got a E-mail From Helen owner of Bob is the oil guy,, and she gave me a time out for linking my site to Bob

So I dont get it,,,

Any how, If you dont have anything nice to say post up on the4x4network, a whole group of clowns up there that been trying to work me over, just use the fancy internet technology to play games,

86rustbucket · « **Reply #3 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:24:43 AM »

And where would we get this special lube?

Once we are ready to step it up.

superyota · « **Reply #4 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:27:10 AM »

Can you post up a picture of the "fluid" you are using? I'm still not understanding how the felts in the front axle are going to hold this "fluid" in and not let it leak all over the place and make a mess. not to mention probably work there way into your wheel bearings over time and cause premature wear also. just my

superyota · « **Reply #5 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:31:02 AM »

not to mention that neither the steering arm or bottom caps on the knuckles have any kind of seal on them, which would cause the "fluid" the leak out the bottom, or in most cases, cause water to get into your axle during water crossings and why most people wouldn't let the axle go 30 years without maintenance. and what about the trunions?

spc mike · « **Reply #6 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:32:46 AM »

so your original question was "Can I use a oil in the steering knuckle ?" ......and apparently you already new the answer to your question.

So good luck trying to find This OEM Toyota "semi fluid grease" to put in your axle.

ROCKO · « **Reply #7 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:39:07 AM »

he's a spammer big mike

he's been banned from pirate for this same thing

86rustbucket · « **Reply #8 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:40:34 AM »

Why not just install some TG inner axle seals? that would leave you with a "semi fluid" in your knuckles in no time.

spc mike · « **Reply #9 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:41:53 AM »

he did the same thing on this forum and got banned....heres the link: http://www.rme4x4.com/showthread.php?t=68727&page=5

BAN HIM

..... make sure his IP address is banned too.

Peterbuilt84 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:45:30 AM »

Quote from: ROCKO on May 04, 2011, 11:39:07 AM

he's a spammer big mike

he's been banned from pirate for this same thing

x2

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=923018

yotaneck13 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2011, 12:05:06 PM »

:bull crap: no way that pic posted in the other thread didnt leak you sprayed it off before takn the pic....i agree saw his thread on PBB needs banned from here as well

Wenhar · « **Reply #12 on:** May 04, 2011, 12:19:57 PM »

Quote from: Peterbuilt84 on May 04, 2011, 11:45:30 AM

x2

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=923018

Look I have called and talked to Folks in the Toyota circles that have identified this stuff as a form of grease, looked for something and could not find it,

The Owner of Sky Manufacturing to name one, said to get a hold of the Crawler operation, I did talked to Chris there, real nice guy, said he would look into it,
Its been over a year,

And NO I did not spray that axle, I drove it thru deep mud puddles, just before I put in on the hoist,,,

So I could go take another picture,,, Now listen, I have been asking about the inside Diameter of the spindle bushing, new, installed,,

can any one give that to me ??
Look if you dont like what your hearing Whatever, "he's a spammer big mike

he's been banned from pirate for this same thing"

I have been banned from Yota tech , Pirate, Ih8mud, all sorts of places, actually there is only 1 Toyota site that hasnt,
Toyota 4 Runner forums, Moderator there CJ3fly knows whats up,

So Dont know what to do, keep trying , one thing is for sure, I will keep circling the Toyota camps and forums and tossing grease bombs till some one wises up,

Started my own site, doing a article for Ford True Blue Trucks,,, Yes this stuff has domestic origins, like it or not
and it was a 1988 Toyota L/C that wised me up to what this axle uses,,,

Ban me ? all I am saying is there a grease that kicks ass in these axles, Folks know about it, but,,,,

Brick wall of bull crap surrounding this ,,,, I will offer Crawler Camp a sample, test it, run it,,, while it would be nice to take credit for this grease, It is not my Idea
and Toyota told me about it,,,

And now I am telling you,,,,

Call Sky, he knows about this grease found in the "Grampa Trucks" as he puts it,, seen it in larger 2 ton axles,,,

Been around to long, been forgotten about,,,

Wenhar · « **Reply #13 on:** May 04, 2011, 12:22:58 PM »

Quote from: 86rustbucket on May 04, 2011, 11:40:34 AM

Why not just install some TG inner axle seals? that would leave you with a "semi fluid" in your knuckles in no time.

What ? TG ?

You guys trash them left and right, they cant be that bad,,,

Wenhar · « **Reply #14 on:** May 04, 2011, 12:27:29 PM »

Quote from: 86rustbucket on May 04, 2011, 11:24:43 AM

And where would we get this special lube?

Once we are ready to step it up.

Well Big Mike has already warned me about linking you to my site that has all that information so hold tight,
But maybee he will let me tell you that it is available thru a outfit in Utah called Novak adapt, a Jeep operation,

Wenhar · « **Reply #15 on:** May 04, 2011, 12:32:03 PM »

Quote from: spc mike on May 04, 2011, 11:32:46 AM

so your original question was "Can I use a oil in the steering knuckle ?" ......and apparently you already new the answer to your question. So good luck trying to find This OEM Toyota "semi fluid grease" to put in your axle.

Yep You aint kidding it took me a solid month to track this stuff down, studying grease, consulting with grease and oil specialists,

So yep after I found it only able to get in bulk I figered others would want to know about this stuff and use it,
So then posted On Ih8mud, only to find that it is a extension of a Toyota dealership and they werent having it,

This has been a couple years in the process,, Yes only took a month to find it another one to get it shipped and in the shop
But going on 2 years of wrangling the Rixatus effect caused by Toyota sales,,,

Well its coming down If the Crawlers can step up

superyota · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2011, 12:41:47 PM »

who is "crawler camp", and i'm not understanding the "step up crawlers".

Quote from: Wenhar on May 04, 2011, 12:22:58 PM

What ? TG ?

You guys trash them left and right, they cant be that bad,,,

yes, they really are that bad. try running any of their china made parts. guys are having probelms with their junk breaking even running their rigs on the street.

try going to the tg website, you might be able to get them to buy some special lube.

Wenhar · « **Reply #17 on:** May 04, 2011, 12:43:10 PM »

Quote from: superyota on May 04, 2011, 11:31:02 AM

not to mention that neither the steering arm or bottom caps on the knuckles have any kind of seal on them, which would cause the "fluid" the leak out the bottom, or in most cases, cause water to get into your axle during water crossings and why most people wouldn't let the axle go 30 years without maintenance. and what about the trunions?

Good questions and concerns,

The trunnions are happy, while the lower trunnion is okay no matter what stuff you use its the upper trunnion that wears and goes out first, so I have noticed,

Now prolonged 2 wd mode will cause premature failure, so operate 4x4 once in a while so as lube is flung up on the bearings,

This Rheological aspect is hard for some to grasp, but at the full level in the yota axle the trunnion is darn near sitting in the grease,
Any

Any agitation of this grease will lube the upper bearing,,,, and as far as moisture intrusion, well this grease forms a viscous seal around the wiper, even when level is unmaintained, the felt, a porous material absorbs the fluid and thru "Capillary" action coats the entire knuckle,,

Water dont get in there, and if it does, this proprietary grease absorbs the moisture and draws it away from the steel parts,,,

Now I have been at this a while and you can go to the4x4network and read all of this stuff, sorry its a big mess of folks calling me a idiot, liar and all this stupid stuff but
Some good information

Thanks Frank

Wenhar · « **Reply #18 on:** May 04, 2011, 12:47:16 PM »

Quote from: superyota on May 04, 2011, 12:41:47 PM

who is "crawler camp", and i'm not understanding the "step up crawlers". yes, they really are that bad. try running any of their china made parts. guys are having probelms with their junk breaking even running their rigs on the street.

try going to the tg website, you might be able to get them to buy some special lube.

Well I did, I figered that would be the weak spot in the brickwall of Toyota bull

, but no and even a cheap china bearing needs to be lubricated properly,,

No dont pass the buck here some Crawler has to have a set and step up,

Man this is so one sided Ban him !!!!!!

so classic,,, Now what is the ID of a new spindle bushing, Installed

I would check myself but then my research is questioned,

Wenhar · « **Reply #19 on:** May 04, 2011, 12:53:25 PM »

"who is "crawler camp", and i'm not understanding the "step up crawlers".

Perhaps is just to obvious and these things can be over looked

You are the Crawlers,

This is Your Camp,

They make me walk the plank on the pirate ship, bunch of bad mouthing pissants, ceptin for a couple of them,,,

Wenhar · « **Reply #20 on:** May 04, 2011, 02:30:45 PM »

Quote from: superyota on May 04, 2011, 11:27:10 AM

Can you post up a picture of the "fluid" you are using? I'm still not understanding how the felts in the front axle are going to hold this "fluid" in and not let it leak all over the place and make a mess. not to mention probably work there way into your wheel bearings over time and cause premature wear also. just my

Super Yota, Toyota Core axle thread on Utah Rock Crawler, show the grease,
Now
You fill the wheel bearing cavity up as well with the same grease, because your right

"not to mention probably work there way into your wheel bearings over time and cause premature wear also. just my

"

This has been a highly contended subject, Now it is a fluid but barely, and used in areas that are prone to leakage,
The wiper seal assembly holds it no problem, the test axle pictured is about as worse as they get, badly pitted and a deep groove in the straight ahead position, and yet no excessive discharge,

But Good point super Yota its for the wheel bearings as well, the thing is one entire assembly from the wee axle seal to the hub dial,
Uses all the same grease, yet another error in the Toyota sales book,,,

Thanks Super Yota..Frank

jimbo74 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 04, 2011, 03:14:08 PM »

so what is the name of the product? where are the pictures of it? where can i get it?

you say there is some miracle drug, but you can't locaate it...... just sounds fishy.......

just likeosama is orisn't dead, tupac isor isn't dead, and the birth certificate of obama is or isn't real......

prove it....... otherwise, it is smoke nad mirrors

Wenhar · « **Reply #22 on:** May 04, 2011, 03:20:53 PM »

Quote from: jimbo74 on May 04, 2011, 03:14:08 PM

so what is the name of the product? where are the pictures of it? where can i get it?

you say there is some miracle drug, but you can't locaate it...... just sounds fishy.......

just likeosama is orisn't dead, tupac isor isn't dead, and the birth certificate of obama is or isn't real......

prove it....... otherwise, it is smoke nad mirrors

Jimbo 74, no Smoke or mirrors the product name is SKL#1 available at the moment at Novak adapt,

See I have a whole site dedicated to information on this stuff, but Big Mike says its a no no to link you to it,

So dont know what to do,, and really its no miracle about this stuff, very common for CV joints to last 20-30 years with factory lube,

Very common, and thats with a Rubber boot the cracks and fails, not a steel one,

superyota · « **Reply #23 on:** May 04, 2011, 03:22:46 PM »

Quote from: Wenhar on May 04, 2011, 03:20:53 PM

Very common, and thats with a Rubber boot the cracks and fails, not a steel one,

jimbo74 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 04, 2011, 03:30:44 PM »

email me the link...... that wont violate his rule, and i can look at it for myself

Wenhar · « **Reply #25 on:** May 04, 2011, 03:40:26 PM »

Quote from: superyota on May 04, 2011, 03:22:46 PM

Oh no you dont Super Yota you where trackin with me just fine, dont go stupid all of a sudden, now a conventional CV Joint this one is out of a Honda will have a thin #1 grade grease in the out board joint and a thinner grease in the inboard Joint,
Toyota does this as well on the 4 runner

GKN engineers say the reason for the thinner grease in the inboard joint is because of the needle bearings ,, different design the out board is fixed and the inner floats Tripod joint , and the outer balls, are fixed stay fixed

Stay with me Super Yota, you have already pinned a couple of things down that folks cant seem to get

superyota · « **Reply #26 on:** May 04, 2011, 03:48:15 PM »

Quote from: Wenhar on May 04, 2011, 03:20:53 PM

Very common, and thats with a Rubber boot the cracks and fails, not a steel one,

Quote from: Wenhar on May 04, 2011, 03:40:26 PM

Oh no you dont Super Yota you where trackin with me just fine, dont go stupid all of a sudden

lol! i'm not understanding what you mean when you say, "Rubber boot the cracks and fails, not a steel one." please explain. take some some time to clarify.

Goldrush · « **Reply #27 on:** May 04, 2011, 04:18:36 PM »

this whole thread is wierd. cant really understand the way he types. its hard to read..lol and this is all about grease, i know that, but what about it!!!???

Wenhar · « **Reply #28 on:** May 04, 2011, 04:48:24 PM »

Quote from: jimbo74 on May 04, 2011, 03:30:44 PM

email me the link...... that wont violate his rule, and i can look at it for myself

Jimbo its on its way

Wenhar · « **Reply #29 on:** May 04, 2011, 04:53:23 PM »

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Oh no you dont Super Yota you where trackin with me just fine, dont go stupid all of a sudden
lol! i'm not understanding what you mean when you say, "Rubber boot the cracks and fails, not a steel one." please explain. take some some time to clarify.

lol! i'm not understanding what you mean when you say, "Rubber boot the cracks and fails, not a steel one." please explain. take some some time to clarify.

Okay its a typo what I am trying to say when Folks call this some sort of "Miracle Snake oil " it really aint,
A normal CV axle lasts 20 plus years, what takes it out is when the rubber boot rips and all the grease flings out, and water and dirt get in,

This axle has a "Steel boot" so it will last for 30 plus years,,

Or is your hang up that you think a "Birfield" is not a Constant velocity shaft

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