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[porkchop]

Just wondering did Bobby make it right on the axles?

[GrenadedToy]

your truck is sick!

and  on breaking a 30 spline.

[Misfit4Runner]

  dont ferget the disco ball and lasers too

a fog machine whould be pretty wsweet too 

fog machine is easy just get a bottle of sea foam!

[alwayzbroken]

Just wondering did Bobby make it right on the axles?

He sure did. He sent me new inners and outers for both sides.

[alwayzbroken]

your truck is sick!

and  on breaking a 30 spline.

Thanks.

[alwayzbroken]

Well, broke a few more things today. The 4.10 High pinion front diff exploded and both my front leafs later in the day. I liked the trail gear 5" springs until now. I noticed them wrapping up a lot and starting to "S" pretty bad but today finished them off. The fifth run on them and they are garbage. I will be calling them on monday. They should last more than 5 runs. This is ridiculous. I wheeled a total of 15 mins today.

[DTB]

are your bumpstops long enough? Why would they bend like that?

[kneedownnate]

Axle wrap probably.  That coupled with, well I won't say inferior, but let's just say maybe not the best spring material you can get, would make them s that badly. 

[Gittinit]

You finally blew up one of those 4.10 diffs huh? sorry to hear bout those springs, Is that the set you were bresking in @New years 2007>

[Gittinit]

You finally blew up one of those 4.10 diffs huh? Sorry to hear bout those springs, Is that the set you were breaking in @New years 2007.

[alwayzbroken]

are your bumpstops long enough? Why would they bend like that?

I thought so. It has bumpstops

[alwayzbroken]

This is what the springs looked like after I put them in. They pretty much just kept sagging the whole time I had them until today.

Axle wrap probably.  That coupled with, well I won't say inferior, but let's just say maybe not the best spring material you can get, would make them s that badly. 

I think you are right. I don't know why they with axle wrap so bad. I only have a 4 cylinder.

[alwayzbroken]

You finally blew up one of those 4.10 diffs huh? Sorry to hear bout those springs, Is that the set you were breaking in @New years 2007.

Yeah the same pair. I think the ring gear failed due to accumulated wear and tear. It has seen quite a few thrashings then decided to let go in the snow.

[CTENG in KS]

Call Bobby...time for Cryo'd gears!

Unless it is daily driver that is.

[alwayzbroken]

Call Bobby...time for Cryo'd gears!

Unless it is daily driver that is.

Strictly trailered for exactly this reason. Thanks, cryo'd gears are a real good idea 

[Gittinit]

Yeah the same pair. I think the ring gear failed due to accumulated wear and tear. It has seen quite a few thrashings then decided to let go in the snow.

Thats kinda how my r&p have failed. It seems as though I have thrashed em harder numerous times, than what I was when they actually failed. I think willy mammoth, and yourself said the same about your 30 spline axles when they ate a turd. Its weird how it seems to work out that way. 

[Gittinit]

I'm now running a cryo rear, but I chose not to cryo the front, becouse I'm still running a low pinion, if you want strength in the front your gonna want a high pinion 3rd. 

Are you going back with a 5" pack, or mabye a lower pack for a better center of gravity?


May 17th I'm going back to FlatNasty. Join us if you can!

[alwayzbroken]

I'm now running a cryo rear, but I chose not to cryo the front, becouse I'm still running a low pinion, if you want strength in the front your gonna want a high pinion 3rd. 

Are you going back with a 5" pack, or mabye a lower pack for a better center of gravity?

It was a high pinion 4.10 third that just shelled  I am thinking of Cryo treating the gear if my housing is still good. My housing was slightly bent before and I almost couldn't get my short side shaft in. If the short side shaft won't go in now I may just get a Diamond with a 9inch center dropout 

I got another set of 5" TG springs on the way. We'll see how long these last. I don't think the springs offered for rock crawling are up to the task of staying alive in the terrain we wheel in.  I think the conditions of the trails here are different and place more stress on parts. If these don't last then I am gonna have to pony up for Marlin or Sky springs.

[gotrocks]

If these don't last then I am gonna have to pony up for Marlin or Sky springs.

Don't waist your time on the marlin springs.  I will probably get some crap for this statement but after seeing your TG springs get totaled I just kinda laugh honestly.  So far I have had 3 sets of marlin springs and ALL have gone bad WAY FASTER than they did for you WITH bumpstops. 

My first set was the imported ones.  They went bad after 1 run.  TOTALLY flat.  So they warranted them for a US made set.  That set only lasted 2 runs.  Then they went flat.  3rd set now only lasted me 2 runs again and they are flat.  I am totally pissed at how the marlin springs have performed and would never buy them again.  The last set I received I was told that they would not give me any more sets.  I am a firm believer in Marlin and love their products but when it comes to suspension springs they absolutely suck.  Oh and I shouldn't forget to mention that one of the guys in my club has gone through 3 sets as well.  Luckily for him this last set is holding up so far so good.  If you want a good leaf spring that from what I've seen first had will hold up to the abuse is a Alcan spring.  I built a rig for blackdiamond here on the board and he has had alcans on 2 rigs now.  Both of which are/were daily drivers and get driven to and from Moab UT from Seattle WA.


OK sorry that rant I'm done now.  I'll get off my

[alwayzbroken]

Don't waist your time on the marlin springs.  I will probably get some crap for this statement but after seeing your TG springs get totaled I just kinda laugh honestly.  So far I have had 3 sets of marlin springs and ALL have gone bad WAY FASTER than they did for you WITH bumpstops. 

My first set was the imported ones.  They went bad after 1 run.  TOTALLY flat.  So they warranted them for a US made set.  That set only lasted 2 runs.  Then they went flat.  3rd set now only lasted me 2 runs again and they are flat.  I am totally pissed at how the marlin springs have performed and would never buy them again.  The last set I received I was told that they would not give me any more sets.  I am a firm believer in Marlin and love their products but when it comes to suspension springs they absolutely suck.  Oh and I shouldn't forget to mention that one of the guys in my club has gone through 3 sets as well.  Luckily for him this last set is holding up so far so good.  If you want a good leaf spring that from what I've seen first had will hold up to the abuse is a Alcan spring.  I built a rig for blackdiamond here on the board and he has had alcans on 2 rigs now.  Both of which are/were daily drivers and get driven to and from Moab UT from Seattle WA.


OK sorry that rant I'm done now.  I'll get off my

I can see why you are angry. You have the right to be. I am interested to hear the terrain you wheel in most? I wheel mostly on steep, log filled, rocky, rutted trails that require full throttle assaults frequently. I think the constant full throttle use just wraps and twists these springs right up. I think the commonly offered springs are better suited for slow speed crawling and not capable of handling the demands of intermittant traction, high throttle situations.

[gotrocks]

No high throttle.  I do mostly snow wheeling. Granted it is up and down all day it is not a full throttle type of thing in a toyota.  Some people think that when you go snow wheeling you need to say on the skinny pedal.  Well the snow up where I live is mostly really soft and I actually crawl most of the time.  I even had it is double low last sunday in 1st gear to keep floating and not dig in.  I will be honest however and say that it can get pretty bumpy but I'm not bajaing through the ruts and bumps.  I'd knock my teeth out if I did that. 

[alwayzbroken]

No high throttle.  I do mostly snow wheeling. Granted it is up and down all day it is not a full throttle type of thing in a toyota.  Some people think that when you go snow wheeling you need to say on the skinny pedal.  Well the snow up where I live is mostly really soft and I actually crawl most of the time.  I even had it is double low last sunday in 1st gear to keep floating and not dig in.  I will be honest however and say that it can get pretty bumpy but I'm not bajaing through the ruts and bumps.  I'd knock my teeth out if I did that. 

Thats odd. I would think snow wheeling would be much easier on parts. Granted I blew up a HP front diff and my springs in snow last weekend but usually we destroy far less parts in the snow.

[gotrocks]

Thats odd. I would think snow wheeling would be much easier on parts.

EXACTLY.  I'm not shock loading anything its not a high traction type of terrain.  ITS FREAKIN SNOW. 

[DTB]

dont trail gear, marlin or all pro offer heavy duty springs?

[alwayzbroken]

dont trail gear, marlin or all pro offer heavy duty springs?

Yeah TG does. I should have ordered those. Now I am mad at myself. I didn't want them because I thought they would be too stiff but I should have tried them out. I am getting another set of regular ones but I want to install air bumps this time.

[DTB]

Yeah TG does. I should have ordered those. Now I am mad at myself. I didn't want them because I thought they would be too stiff but I should have tried them out. I am getting another set of regular ones but I want to install air bumps this time.

too late to change your order?

[alwayzbroken]

too late to change your order?

yeah, and they said the heavy duty versions would be too stiff anyway. Maybe I will try to add an extra leaf to the new 5" packs before I install them. I don't know why some people have problems with leaf springs and some don't.

[alwayzbroken]

I have the SKY axle relocation pads on the front perches to move the axle forward an additional 3/4" or 1". Would placing the center pivot point forward cause the springs to wrap up more or alter the spring's ability to keep its arch under hard launches and acceleration? Just thinking out loud.

[DTB]

I have the SKY axle relocation pads on the front perches to move the axle forward an additional 3/4" or 1". Would placing the center pivot point forward cause the springs to wrap up more or alter the spring's ability to keep its arch under hard launches and acceleration? Just thinking out loud.

that makes sense to me....especially if you have axle wrap problems

[alwayzbroken]

Another thought, does a lazy shackle cause spring wrap as well? My shackle angle is about 45 when the springs are installed then after they sag it gets to be even less. I always thought a really lazy shackle angle was good for articulating and crawling but hurt hill climbing ability.