Whats more important than wheeling... ***URGENT***

[chim]

Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

Its the 11th hour.. 11:59:59
WOW!!!

http://www.infowars.com/obama-poised-to-cede-us-sovereignty-claims-british-lord/

[Steve_925]

nothing!!

[BLACKDOG]

[peacesells]

Im not into politics at all, but keep in mind If that well spoken british guy was a homelss guy ranting that , you would think he was syphilitic.

[chim]

Its not the deliverer of the message.. its the message itself..

[TIMS89CRAWLER]

not much more important than wheelin... especially not some politics bull crap

[chim]

Its always just "politics" and "bull crap".. but I guarantee you will wake up when it starts affecting you directly... In the meantime just tell people who have lost their job because of the economy that its all just "politics and bull crap". Be part of the solution not the problem.

[peacesells]

not much more important than wheelin... especially not some politics bull

X100000

[BLACKDOG]

Im not into politics at all, but keep in mind If that well spoken british guy was a homelss guy ranting that , you would think he was syphilitic.

You probably would think a homeless person was off his rocker, but does that mean we should just stick our heads in the sand, and call this :bull crap: ?  granted we shouldn't assume it is true without our own research into it, but negating something because it would sound nuts coming out of someone elses mouth, someone who would most likely have less knowledge about the subject anyway, is a dangerous road to head down.

not much more important than wheelin... especially not some politics bull crap

If this turns out to be true, this "politics bull crap"  Is going to change our way of life, very quickly.  I pray that this is nothing more than fear tactics and rumors, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was true either.  
Just blowing stuff off as politics bull crap is ignorance, plain and simple.  If we stand by quietly, and allow the politicians to play the politics bull crap game without ever getting involved, we're going to find that they've "gambled all of our rights away, for their own personal gain.  Ask Europe pre WWII how looking the other way and letting the politicians play worked for them.

[peacesells]

You probably would think a homeless person was off his rocker, but does that mean we should just stick our heads in the sand, and call this :bull:pokinit:: ?  granted we shouldn't assume it is true without our own research into it, but negating something because it would sound nuts coming out of someone elses mouth, someone who would most likely have less knowledge about the subject anyway, is a dangerous road to head down."

I hear that, the exact reason I posted up in the first place... F the voting, f the politics, dont watch the news and your blood pressure will be in the 120/70 range.

[germ]

[rant: on]This is only the tip of the iceberg. Do yourself a favor, and watch some of the "related" videos that come up as well. The US as we know it is in it's final death throes unless we do something quickly. Not exactly sure what that "something" is, but we need to stop the fed from destroying this country. Either that or figure out how to take it back and re-build it the way it should be. This started long before Obama came into office, but I think he is "the closer", who will seal our fate. [rant: off]

Erik

[germ]

Here is a link to the entire speech, which is actually pretty long...about 1.5 hours. But here is another link to the PDF draft of the copenhagen treaty. Read it for yourself (all 200pgs), and make your own decision.

The video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0&feature=player_embedded

The PDF document:
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/documents/un-fccc-copenhagen-2009.pdf

For those who think this is policial BS, you can enjoy your blissful ignorance until its' too late. then you will have lost all the freedoms that you take for granted today. As BD pointed out, look back at history and see what can happen when you don't stand up and fight against what is wrong and evil. Hitler/Nazi/WWII is a textbook example of what can happen when good people don't do what is right, and just go along with what is easy.

Erik

[germ]

There are currently about 20 states that have resolutions in their state constitutions that allow them to secede from the union under specific circumstances. One of those being when the Fed. Govt no longer serves the people and the states, and becomes self serving. You can watch several video's and see the actual documents by doing a simple search. This kind of thing (what the fed is doing), will eventually destroy the union. Mark my words.

Erik

[BLACKDOG]

Thanks for posting the treaty Eric

[motorider228]

Makes me worry.  You better believe I will be separating from the Military before I uphold some communist regime.

[COToy91]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

not...

[TIMS89CRAWLER]

Its always just "politics" and "bull crap".. but I guarantee you will wake up when it starts affecting you directly... In the meantime just tell people who have lost their job because of the economy that its all just "politics and bull crap". Be part of the solution not the problem.

haha hate to break it to you but this has been affecting me for the last 2 years now its nothing new! happens get over it... your cant spend the rest of your life pouting about who did this and who did that... if you lost your job in the recession then shitty but hey I guess its time to get out and find another one... only the strong survive!!! the funny thing is I am making better money now than I was before the whole recession ever started!

[COToy91]

haha hate to break it to you but this has been affecting me for the last 2 years now its nothing new! happens get over it... your cant spend the rest of your life pouting about who did this and who did that... if you lost your job in the recession then shitty but hey I guess its time to get out and find another one... only the strong survive!!! the funny thing is I am making better money now than I was before the whole recession ever started!

about time someone called it how it is

[germ]

Makes me worry.  You better believe I will be separating from the Military before I uphold some communist regime.

Take a few moments to read thru the UCMJ (uniformed code of Military Justice), and you will find that the military is sworn to uphold the constitution, not the office of the president. It also strictly forbids, and provides protection against following an unlawful order. Just because the president orders troops to do something, does not make it a lawful order. While most of the document is very boring, and is great for treating insomnia, it does shed some light on your legal rights and responsibilites as a member of the armed services.

And by the way, thank you for your service!

Erik

[ROKTOY829]

haha hate to break it to you but this has been affecting me for the last 2 years now its nothing new! happens get over it... your cant spend the rest of your life pouting about who did this and who did that... if you lost your job in the recession then :pokinit:ty but hey I guess its time to get out and find another one... only the strong survive!!! the funny thing is I am making better money now than I was before the whole recession ever started!

It's more of a issue that if he signs the treaty then he will be signing the country away. The U.N. doesn't want the U.S. to be a super power anymore. We need tell the U.N. to jump off a bridge while wearing cement shoes. Obama is doing his best to put the final nails in the coffin that people started building along time ago. Doesn't matter your views you have to get tired of him putting down the U.S. all the time. POLICTIANS IN GENERAL ARE LIKE DIRTY DIAPERS. We need to stand up and take the country back from the federal government!!!! The issue is not the recession in this thread. That is just a peroid of hard time. This treaty will be the end of the AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT I fear.  We need to start taking care of are on people,stop the flow of illegals coming in (no matter where they are from), and tell the U.N to get out.  Thats my  on it. I say we just all go to the white house and have a  summitt. 

[chim]

haha hate to break it to you but this has been affecting me for the last 2 years now its nothing new! happens get over it... your cant spend the rest of your life pouting about who did this and who did that... if you lost your job in the recession then :pokinit:ty but hey I guess its time to get out and find another one... only the strong survive!!! the funny thing is I am making better money now than I was before the whole recession ever started!

have fun sticking your head in the sands of ignorance.. maybe you should take the flu shot while you are at!
Pouting...  um no...  concerned about my future, my kids future and the future of this nation .. yes... 
Only an ignorant fool would choose to ignore the things happening around him just on the simple fact that things seem to be going fine for himself... PLEASE dont have kids!

[BLACKDOG]

haha hate to break it to you but this has been affecting me for the last 2 years now its nothing new! happens get over it... your cant spend the rest of your life pouting about who did this and who did that... if you lost your job in the recession then shitty but hey I guess its time to get out and find another one... only the strong survive!!! the funny thing is I am making better money now than I was before the whole recession ever started!

Whats been affecting us for the last 2 years is a drop in the bucket compared to what we'll be facing if even half of what is being proposed comes to fruition (this, obama care, gun control, cap and trade, etc.)  Speaking solely from a financial standpoint, we're facing a HUGE cost.  Our nation is already in debt, and is very rapidly increasing that debt.  So now we're going to be paying for 3rd world countries because we "screwed up"?  Where do you think that money is going to come from?  Us.  The Taxpayer.  Same with Obama care.  How much of your hard earned salary are you willing to contribute?

Gun control legislation is being enacted in many states, Obama is going to be headed that way in the near future, Our wheeling lands are being shut down at a breakneck pace, we've already got restrictive vehicle laws in many states, next thats going to be federal as well. 

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson that said "Information is the currency of democracy."  Start spending, and get informed.

You say only the strong survive?  Be strong then! Prepare for the future, get educated, and get your head out of the sand.  If you love this once great nation, we must speak now, and speak loudly in order to preserve it. 

[Rocksurfer]

Slowly inch by inch it seems that people outside of this country are coming up with ways to take over here. This reminds me of when Clinton signed some of our national monuments and forests over to the U.N. which they now control forever. I don't see any benefit of a global government other than to rape this country. Cap and Trade is another rape that if signed will cost us at least $15.00 per tank full of the average car. That's not including larger vehicles like trucking and trains. Think of the cost at the store to buy food when it will cost over $50.00 per tank full to fill that big rig each time it fills up, you could just imagine the cost to fill a train. Our economy will grind to a stop, the only ones that will benefit will be government. There will be no attempt to even use a dime of that money to help the environment.

[germ]

Here is another link to the Copenhagen treaty, which appears to be an updated version, with proprosed changes in [ ]. I find Pg 26, paragraph 12 section C to be very telling what will happen to our finances.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/un-fccc-copenhagen-2009.pdf

It also appears that this was in the making for several years, with the expectation that once Pres. Bush was out of office, it would get pushed through as quickly possible.

Erik

[ROKTOY829]

Slowly inch by inch it seems that people outside of this country are coming up with ways to take over here. This reminds me of when Clinton signed some of our national monuments and forests over to the U.N. which they now control forever. I don't see any benefit of a global government other than to rape this country. Cap and Trade is another rape that if signed will cost us at least $15.00 per tank full of the average car. That's not including larger vehicles like trucking and trains. Think of the cost at the store to buy food when it will cost over $50.00 per tank full to fill that big rig each time it fills up, you could just imagine the cost to fill a train. Our economy will grind to a stop, the only ones that will benefit will be government. There will be no attempt to even use a dime of that money to help the environment.

. Could you tell me what that bill was Rocksurfer I would like to research that! The one where Clinton signed away some of the forest land and national monuments.

[TIMS89CRAWLER]

have fun sticking your head in the sands of ignorance.. maybe you should take the flu shot while you are at!
Pouting...  um no...  concerned about my future, my kids future and the future of this nation .. yes... 
Only an ignorant fool would choose to ignore the things happening around him just on the simple fact that things seem to be going fine for himself... PLEASE dont have kids!

some of you are just stupid.... I am not ignoring anything around me I pay plenty of attention but really you guys just dwell on this same old ! a dem gets in office and the republicans freakin' cry for the next 8 years and dont get me wrong I did NOT vote for obama nor do I agree with alot of the he is doing or has done however is it really gonna do anything to sit on a wheeling board and cry about it? how many stupid ass threads are there like this one on here now? its just getting old already.... if you really wanna do something about this matter then GET OUT and do something dont rant on an internet board.....and by the way I have never had a flu shot in my life!

Whats been affecting us for the last 2 years is a drop in the bucket compared to what we'll be facing if even half of what is being proposed comes to fruition (this, obama care, gun control, cap and trade, etc.)  Speaking solely from a financial standpoint, we're facing a HUGE cost.  Our nation is already in debt, and is very rapidly increasing that debt.  So now we're going to be paying for 3rd world countries because we "screwed up"?  Where do you think that money is going to come from?  Us.  The Taxpayer.  Same with Obama care.  How much of your hard earned salary are you willing to contribute?

Gun control legislation is being enacted in many states, Obama is going to be headed that way in the near future, Our wheeling lands are being shut down at a breakneck pace, we've already got restrictive vehicle laws in many states, next thats going to be federal as well. 

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson that said "Information is the currency of democracy."  Start spending, and get informed.

You say only the strong survive?  Be strong then! Prepare for the future, get educated, and get your head out of the sand.  If you love this once great nation, we must speak now, and speak loudly in order to preserve it. 

here is another great example!!! gun control where??? I can roll down to the store right now and buy the same guns or ammo I could when bush was in office so where is this gun control? where are the closed wheelin lands? around here they have been adding new trails and ohv area's left and right have not seen anything closed down for a couple years in my area and wait who was the president then??? hmmmm i think its your ole buddy bush....I dont want to sit here and argue over the intardnet anymore I just wanted to put that all out there! as I said if you dont like whats going on then start DOING something about it and write your congressman or state rep and make your voice heard... I sent a letter to our state congressman regarding the potential moab, ut closures and I received a letter back from him thanking me for my efforts and assuring that he will be voting against the bill... however he also stated that it will never pass and not be happening anytime soon! get out and do something about this guys......

[chim]

some of you are just stupid.... I am not ignoring anything around me I pay plenty of attention but really you guys just dwell on this same old ! a dem gets in office and the republicans flopping cry for the next 8 years and dont get me wrong I did NOT vote for obama nor do I agree with alot of the he is doing or has done however is it really gonna do anything to sit on a wheeling board and cry about it? how many stupid ass threads are there like this one on here now? its just getting old already.... if you really wanna do something about this matter then GET OUT and do something dont rant on an internet board.....and by the way I have never had a flu shot in my life!here is another great example!!! gun control where??? I can roll down to the store right now and buy the same guns or ammo I could when bush was in office so where is this gun control? where are the closed wheelin lands? around here they have been adding new trails and ohv area's left and right have not seen anything closed down for a couple years in my area and wait who was the president then??? hmmmm i think its your ole buddy bush....I dont want to sit here and argue over the intardnet anymore I just wanted to put that all out there! as I said if you dont like whats going on then start DOING something about it and write your congressman or state rep and make your voice heard... I sent a letter to our state congressman regarding the potential moab, ut closures and I received a letter back from him thanking me for my efforts and assuring that he will be voting against the bill... however he also stated that it will never pass and not be happening anytime soon! get out and do something about this guys......

Im not trying to start a fight with you, but the more you say, the more you reveal yourself as part of the problem!
1. Its not the same old stuff that we are dwelling on.. everyday there are new developments!! Freedoms are being lost everyday.. how is this the same old stuff and how should we not be alarmed?!?
2. Democrats.. republican.. I could care less.. they all work for the same..   to think that there really are two separate parties with two separate agendas.. you need to wake up.
3. Who cares how many threads there are... obviously there needs to be more to wake people up... and that's the whole point of it is to spread the word... that's how you take action. So if you have a problem with the threads, either wake up or ignore it! That's why on almost all forums there is a general chat section!
4. Gun control where?!! Did you seriously not see that just last week California just passed a bill that requires a thumb print and id on all ammo purchases so they can track all ammo sold in California...  and now you cant buy ammo from online sources if you live in California? Do you really want the government tracking your ammo purchases... or any purchases for that matter?!?
5. Just because you don't see your specific local trails closing doesn't mean they are not closing at other places... This is just an ignorant comment that doesn't even need to be addressed....

In conclusion...  telling others and talking about it and making people aware.. IS doing something about it.

[79coyotefrg]

where are the closed wheelin lands? around here they have been adding new trails and ohv area's left and right have not seen anything closed down for a couple years in my area .............. I sent a letter to our state congressman regarding the potential moab, ut closures and I received a letter back from him thanking me for my efforts and assuring that he will be voting against the bill... however he also stated that it will never pass and not be happening anytime soon! get out and do something about this guys......

just a heads up for you, and i dont plan to add to the

Tellico ( national forest in TN and NC)  has been permanently closed
http://www.ufwda.org/news_view.php?id=152

Upper Tellico Update

CONTACT HEATHER ROYSTON – (678) 463-7376

The Southern Four Wheel Drive Association (SFWDA), the BlueRibbon Coalition (BRC) and United Four Wheel Drive Associations (UFWDA), expressed disappointment today in the Forest Service decision to implement the emergency closure of the Upper Tellico OHV trails on April 1 pending review of the many substantive comments made by OHV enthusiasts.

http://www.arra-access.com

trail closures because of some stupid Toad

http://www.arra-access.com/site/PageServer?pagename=arra_california_arroyotoad

or a salamander
http://www.arra-access.com/site/PageServer?pagename=arra_salamander_habitat

Montana closings,
http://www.arra-access.com/site/PageServer?pagename=arra_montana_butte_rmp_complete

......OHV use on designated routes is subject to seasonal closures and classes of vehicles. All OHV use off designated routes is prohibited. Changes to current travel plans include converting the open areas located within the Elkhorn Mountains and one half of the open 632-acre Radersburg OHV area to limited.

Pennsylvania
http://www.arra-access.com/site/PageServer?pagename=arra_pennsylvania_alleghany_cancellation

[germ]

some of you are just stupid.... I am not ignoring anything around me I pay plenty of attention but really you guys just dwell on this same old ! a dem gets in office and the republicans freakin' cry for the next 8 years and dont get me wrong I did NOT vote for obama nor do I agree with alot of the he is doing or has done however is it really gonna do anything to sit on a wheeling board and cry about it? how many stupid ass threads are there like this one on here now? its just getting old already.... if you really wanna do something about this matter then GET OUT and do something dont rant on an internet board.....and by the way I have never had a flu shot in my life!here is another great example!!! gun control where??? I can roll down to the store right now and buy the same guns or ammo I could when bush was in office so where is this gun control? where are the closed wheelin lands? around here they have been adding new trails and ohv area's left and right have not seen anything closed down for a couple years in my area and wait who was the president then??? hmmmm i think its your ole buddy bush....I dont want to sit here and argue over the intardnet anymore I just wanted to put that all out there! as I said if you dont like whats going on then start DOING something about it and write your congressman or state rep and make your voice heard... I sent a letter to our state congressman regarding the potential moab, ut closures and I received a letter back from him thanking me for my efforts and assuring that he will be voting against the bill... however he also stated that it will never pass and not be happening anytime soon! get out and do something about this guys......

If you think it is so stupid, then just go to a different thread, and do what makes you happy. You don't need to comment on this if you think it is just a waste of time. Those of us who do feel that it is important would be happy to discuss it amongst ourselves, and not have to deal with the destraction of someone calling us stupid. When this comes to pass, and your freedoms have been wiped out, then you can look back and think "maybe I should have paid attention". For now, its a free country, and you can do as you please. We're not going to force you to read this page, and we certainly aren't going to force you to participate.

Erik

[germ]

The only chance we have to defeat this is to write to the congress and insist that they do not ratify any treaty that is signed. I recently read that Obama may not even attend this conference, but I'm sure he'll be sending some dignitary to do his bidding. Not exactly sure how binding that would be, but I still think we need to be active in telling the congress and the senate that we will not stand by and let them ratify any treaty that potentially supercedes our constitution, and creates unimaginable spending, and takes our taxes and re-distributes it to some other country. i have read a good portion of the treaty (see the link above), and it is amazing how potentially damaging this would be to our country. It would basically create a world watch dog, that has no oversight, and could mandate insane regulations that would not only cripple our economy, but suck our hard earned tax dollars out of the country. The worst part of this, is that it is based on a faulty assumption that we (humans) are even partially responsible for global warming. The whole thing is just a disaster in the making. Please take the time to write your congress[wo]man, and let them know how important this is. I will try to post up a word document as a template, that you can feel free to modify to your liking. In the meantime, here is a link lets you download a list of the contact info for all the members of this congress. (I wanted to post it, but it's not the correct file type). Hope this helps. There is also a link to a website where you can put in your zip and find your representative.

Erik

http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/index.html

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml