Made in China

[Wermz84]

they use lead as a spermicide.

[CruzrDave]

On a positive note Chinese condoms are 100% effective for preventing pregnancy, they use lead as a spermicide.

I don't care who you are, Thats funny

[Wermz84]

I thought it was hysterical.   

[*FFC*]

I don't care who you are, Thats funny

   

[kentuckyken]

Those were to big to have been made in china , must be USofA exports !

I glanced over some of the pages but I didn't "see" it mentioned so I'll throw this in about china's fish farming. They raise their fish in ponds that catch human sewage runoff from what I've read on news sites.

[CruzrDave]

Those were to big to have been made in china , must be USofA exports !

I glanced over some of the pages but I didn't "see" it mentioned so I'll throw this in about china's fish farming. They raise their fish in ponds that catch human sewage runoff from what I've read on news sites.

SO I watched a show here a while back about "imported" fish and pretty much anything for a third world country should be avoided. I guess Georgia as really cracked down on the crap that they let in the state. They quit relying on the USDA because they only test about 1% on the imported product. They reject about 50-60% of the imported fish. In this program they recommended asking, any restaurant you eat, where they get there fish from. Well I did this . My sister had her birthday 2 weeks ago and my family went to a place called Red Lobster. I asked our waitress where the shrimp came from and her first response was "the sea" . After I lowered my though lever to hers I got " I don't know, I have never been asked that" then she said ( which I believe she pulled out of her hat) "oh I know that we have our all of our fish is farm raised for us". So I never got an actual answer from her, she didn't know what country they were "farm" raised in. I've heard of the farm raised catshit and other 2 tailed shrimp full of bacteria. I go sea food usually pick Salmon when I eat out but after the fact I ponied up and had the steak at Red Lobster.

[Doof]

when i ordered my shocks from MC i was looking in my bag with stickers and receipt, and out falls a little red Carabiner, with MC on it and on the the other side it said, MADE IN CHINA...made me think of this thread and thought i would share my new findings

[94MtnYote]

 
  Man, what happened to assembled in USA !! Thats a good one too.
 
I'm just glad my TOY was made in Japan!

[BigMike]

out falls a little red Carabiner, with MC on it and on the the other side it said, MADE IN CHINA...made me think of this thread and thought i would share my new findings

There is a difference between a steering wheel made in China and a key chain made in China that would concern my life

It's all about application and where these dangerous China products are being used. I don't know if the shipping tape used on your package was made in China, but fortunately I don't use shipping tape to keep my drag links connected on my car

[KDXSR5]

when i ordered my shocks from MC i was looking in my bag with stickers and receipt, and out falls a little red Carabiner, with MC on it and on the the other side it said, MADE IN CHINA...made me think of this thread and thought i would share my new findings

Off topic. Made in China or not, I really hope I get one with the front bumper I just ordered! End off topic.

[Lowrider]

when i ordered my shocks from MC i was looking in my bag with stickers and receipt, and out falls a little red Carabiner, with MC on it and on the the other side it said, MADE IN CHINA...made me think of this thread and thought i would share my new findings

I was wondering about that. Mine all seem to be holding up fine. But they tastes like they have lead in them. I have been chewing on one for a few weeks now. I will keep everyone updated if I fall Ill. 

[BigMike]

[carpkiller]

patriotic talk is cheap!support american industry!put your money were your country is!........A giant sticker that portrays this short,blunt slogan adornes my tailgate and my attitude!

[Doof]

I was wondering about that. Mine all seem to be holding up fine. But they tastes like they have lead in them. I have been chewing on one for a few weeks now. I will keep everyone updated if I fall Ill. 

still alive?

[Rocksurfer]

patriotic talk is cheap!support American industry!put your money were your country is!........A giant sticker that portrays this short,blunt slogan adornes my tailgate and my attitude!

Sadly that is not up to us anymore, in an effort to keep relations with other countries we get outsourced regularly. We have turned away from industrial blue collar work to white collar tech work. This tech will protect us until we are reduced to non-tech weapons in a war. We will be in trouble at that point. Hopefully this war will not be with Mexico since our industrial workers all seem to be from there and we will need them to build the stuff we can no longer do.

Most of us here drive foreign trucks so being "patriotic and buy American just doesn't fly here. Here's a test for everyone on the board, go check the VIN #'s of all the vehicles you own, including dirtbikes, quads, motorcycles, etc, etc and note the 1st digit that's all your really need to tell where your vehicle was actually assembled. If your vehicle starts with the number 1 it was made in the United States, if it starts with any other number or letter it was not. Even that test is skewed since being assembled doesn't really mean it is made exclusively here, it just means it was assembled here.

What really makes this a sad statement is that it is cheaper to make the parts in some other country and then ship them here, the only reason it is done this way is to appease us and make us believe they are made here because it would be even cheaper to have just ship the completed vehicle. The only way to combat this issue was to tax the crap out of imports until it was more economical to just ship the parts and assemble it here.

Personally I think everyone in this country needs to step back and take a good look at what we've done. For the most part unions pushed our jobs out of the country by inflating the pay we receive for the work we do. Also the strict working conditions that have been created by the likes of OSHA that tie the hands of business. If you take a job and know the dangers before going in and you get hurt then that was part of the job. I'm not saying that if there were a way to make the job safe that a business shouldn't make it that way it's just that some jobs are dangerous and you may get hurt doing it.

Our country was built on taking chances and it seems that we don't understand this anymore. I'd gladly take my old job at the steel factory in Wisconsin in a minute, sure there were dangers and yes I did get hurt here and there but I was making a decent wage and doing something I was happy doing, but thanks to all those people that wanted more and more money it became cheaper to make all our steel in another country and ship it here.

This is a very good example of what we as a country need to step back and ponder what is wrong here. We tear down steel buildings, ship the remains as recyclable junk to another country where they melt it down and make new steel beams then ship it back to us where we put it back up. Think of the costs to do all of this shipping, but if we did the work here everyone from the ornamental agencies, unions, social security, unemployment, employee safety, so on and so on will be not just stepping on the employers toes, they will be stomping on them, and we wonder why they move their productions out of the country.

I think the writers guild is about ready to get a good taste of this same medicine. As it is already most all animated TV I see is not of this country. Now all the tech jobs are being outsourced too, soon if not already deliveries will be made from Mexico straight to the market, bypassing the country barriers that kept them from transporting beyond this countries borders. Everyone cries that these trucks will be unsafe but this will not be true, these trucks crossing will have the same inspections that we have to go through for safety, which in my opinion are way too strict in themselves. Sure you want safe trucks on the roads but to fine a driver because he doesn't keep his drivetrain free of dirt and oil is a joke. Sure you don't want a cement mixer dropping rocks on the road if they don't keep it clean or mud build up off a dumptruck falling off and hitting vehicles, that's just common sense but to cite a driver for having oil on his engine or trans during an inspection is just going way to far. I know one CHP officer that will fail you instantly if he touches a part during inspection and he gets grime on his gloves.

So before we as a country start ranting that to be patriotic you must buy American we really need to look at a few things in our own backyards and take a long look at ourselves. I would gladly buy American if things were the same as they were in the 60's, 70's and before then, but in todays world to do that would mean I'd have to do without since most everything made has been produced somewhere else and then only assembled here to get the MADE IN THE U.S.A. stamp of approval.

[DTB]

Sadly that is not up to us anymore, in an effort to keep relations with other countries we get outsourced regularly. We have turned away from industrial blue collar work to white collar tech work. This tech will protect us until we are reduced to non-tech weapons in a war. We will be in trouble at that point. Hopefully this war will not be with Mexico since our industrial workers all seem to be from there and we will need them to build the stuff we can no longer do. Most of us here drive foreign trucks so being "patriotic and buy American just doesn't fly here. Here's a test for everyone on the board, go check the VIN #'s of all the vehicles you own, including dirtbikes, quads, motorcycles, etc, etc and note the 1st digit that's all your really need to tell where your vehicle was actually assembled. If your vehicle starts with the number 1 it was made in the United States, if it starts with any other number or letter it was not. Even that test is skewed since being assembled doesn't really mean it is made exclusively here, it just means it was assembled here. What really makes this a sad statement is that it is cheaper to make the parts in some other country and then ship them here, the only reason it is done this way is to appease us and make us believe they are made here because it would be even cheaper to have just ship the completed vehicle. The only way to combat this issue was to tax the crap out of imports until it was more economical to just ship the parts and assemble it here. Personally I think everyone in this country needs to step back and take a good look at what we've done. For the most part unions pushed our jobs out of the country by inflating the pay we receive for the work we do. Also the strict working conditions that have been created by the likes of OSHA that tie the hands of business. If you take a job and know the dangers before going in and you get hurt then that was part of the job. I'm not saying that if there were a way to make the job safe that a business shouldn't make it that way it's just that some jobs are dangerous and you may get hurt doing it. Our country was built on taking chances and it seems that we don't understand this anymore. I'd gladly take my old job at the steel factory in Wisconsin in a minute, sure there were dangers and yes I did get hurt here and there but I was making a decent wage and doing something I was happy doing, but thanks to all those people that wanted more and more money it became cheaper to make all our steel in another country and ship it here. This is a very good example of what we as a country need to step back and ponder what is wrong here. We tear down steel buildings, ship the remains as recyclable junk to another country where they melt it down and make new steel beams then ship it back to us where we put it back up. Think of the costs to do all of this shipping, but if we did the work here everyone from the ornamental agencies, unions, social security, unemployment, employee safety, so on and so on will be not just stepping on the employers toes, they will be stomping on them, and we wonder why they move their productions out of the country. I think the writers guild is about ready to get a good taste of this same medicine. As it is already most all animated TV I see is not of this country. Now all the tech jobs are being outsourced too, soon if not already deliveries will be made from Mexico straight to the market, bypassing the country barriers that kept them from transporting beyond this countries borders. Everyone cries that these trucks will be unsafe but this will not be true, these trucks crossing will have the same inspections that we have to go through for safety, which in my opinion are way too strict in themselves. Sure you want safe trucks on the roads but to fine a driver because he doesn't keep his drivetrain free of dirt and oil is a joke. Sure you don't want a cement mixer dropping rocks on the road if they don't keep it clean or mud build up off a dumptruck falling off and hitting vehicles, that's just common sense but to cite a driver for having oil on his engine or trans during an inspection is just going way to far. I know one CHP officer that will fail you instantly if he touches a part during inspection and he gets grime on his gloves. So before we as a country start ranting that to be patriotic you must buy American we really need to look at a few things in our own backyards and take a long look at ourselves. I would gladly buy American if things were the same as they were in the 60's, 70's and before then, but in todays world to do that would mean I'd have to do without since most everything made has been produced somewhere else and then only assembled here to get the MADE IN THE U.S.A. stamp of approval.

ever heard of paragraphs?

my head hurts after reading that

[Rocksurfer]

ever heard of paragraphs?

my head hurts after reading that

That happens when I really get going, I instantly noticed I had gone on way too long for one paragraph and fixed it.

[jimbo74]

all the "not for climbing" carabiners are made in china... i havent seen any of the fake ones that arent.....

[Rocksurfer]

all the "not for climbing" carabiners are made in china... i havent seen any of the fake ones that arent.....

....and you are surprised at this?

[rlwjaw]

Mike I would direct this directly to you. I have herd that MC is now out sourcing some proucts to china. Those I have herd about are sme castings and some nachined parts like the rear output shaft on the t case. Rummor or fact? Can you please coment on this. 
Thank You
I also understand you have dscontinued the china springs and this is a good thing.

[DTB]

my new Warn winch says "made in china".....does this mean its junk?

[unclejpl4x4]

my new Warn winch says "made in china".....does this mean its junk?

I think the guys at warn need a stern talking 2 

[94MtnYote]

my new Warn winch says "made in china".....does this mean its junk?

I think the guys at warn need a stern talking 2 

Man, that ain't right! First Tmax,  now Warn, and who knows what else?

[kneedownnate]

Mike I would direct this directly to you. I have herd that MC is now out sourcing some proucts to china. Those I have herd about are sme castings and some nachined parts like the rear output shaft on the t case. Rummor or fact? Can you please coment on this. 
Thank You
I also understand you have dscontinued the china springs and this is a good thing.

Let me guess, you heard this from a competitor? 

[DTB]

Let me guess, you heard this from a competitor? 

I have received products from marlin that were from china

[te51levin]

The problem is that the companies over there lie, lie, and outright lie some more.  Why?  Because there is nothing legally that we can do to them.

Let me preface this is stating that this is ANECDOTAL.  It's a stereotype that I have heard repeated by Chinese and non-Chinese alike.  That said, I have heard that business in China (or by Chinese people in places such as Hong Kong, where most Chinese people I've known come from) is often done with the assumption that the people you are doing business with are lying to you, and you know it, and that you are lying to them, and they know it.  In other words, it's supposedly OK to cheat people, and it is up to you to make sure you are cheating the other guy and not vice versa.  If that is true it could partially explain the popular notion that things made in China are poorly made, dangerous, made with substandard or hazardous materials, do not meet basic or legal safety standards, etc.

If your vehicle starts with the number 1 it was made in the United States, if it starts with any other number or letter it was not.

Not quite.  I'm going from memory here, but I think only Corollas made at NUMMI start with 1.  Other US-made Toyotas can start with other numbers.  If it starts with a J, it was made in Japan.

I am not sure how I stand on purchasing things made in China.  If we rely on US media for our information, I am sure we don't know the whole truth, good or bad, about how things are made and how people live in that country.  I don't know whether it's better to boycot suspect items (or items from suspect countries), or to invite that country into the marketplace so that they can benefit from the world economy and not feel the need to produce crap and cheat the consumer.

Something to keep in mind is that a few decades ago, seeing "Made in Japan" stamped on something was considered a sure sign that it was inferior crap.  Ask an old timer how Japanese products were regarded in the 1950s and 1960s.  Japan really had to earn their reputation and now they are widely assumed to produce the best of the best mainstream consumer products.  It is entirely possible that China may follow the same path.

One final note: People who complain about the price of consumer goods made in the USA should not also complain about the quality of goods made in China.  You vote with your wallet.  If you want a better product, expect to pay more for it.  If you want a lower price, expect a compromise in quality, durability, safety, or effectiveness.  That's how it works.

[kneedownnate]

I have received products from marlin that were from china

Hard parts, ie mc07 type stuff like mentioned, or the little scales and such? 

[kneedownnate]

Something to keep in mind is that a few decades ago, seeing "Made in Japan" stamped on something was considered a sure sign that it was inferior crap.  Ask an old timer how Japanese products were regarded in the 1950s and 1960s.  Japan really had to earn their reputation and now they are widely assumed to produce the best of the best mainstream consumer products.  It is entirely possible that China may follow the same path.

Not sure how true this is, but I've frequently heard the chinese metal factories have a very simple method of making steel:  take all the scrap they're buying from us, drop it all in one vat and have only really one grade of steel.  I'm sure this is clouded, but having seen the way their cars crumple there could be some validity to it. 

[te51levin]

having seen the way their cars crumple there could be some validity to it.

Where have you seen a Chinese car?  Closest I've come is a few miles spent in various Lada products...including the Niva...which is very cool in a Soviet sort of way, but definately not Chinese.

[kneedownnate]

On them there crash tests you see on the internet