Gas Prices hit $2/gallon!

Started by BigMike, September 19, 2006, 07:28:09 AM

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News said it would happen this year (2006), what do you think?

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abnormaltoy

#600
July 19, 2008, 10:02:10 PM Last Edit: July 19, 2008, 11:10:59 PM by abnormaltoy
Octane is really simple...it's a measure of how easily the gasoline will burn. The reason "race" engines need a fuel with a higher octane rating is not the cam...it's only because of compression. A high compression engine will diesel, the fuel will ignite from compression alone. The higher octane rating of race gas makes it harder to ignite the gas, so it won't ignite until it gets a spark. If your timing is right...a stock, or near stock, compression Toyota engine doesn't need high octane fuel...you might as well be giving the extra $$$ to the local food bank, at least it'll do somebody some good. My engine is around 11 to 1 and I have never needed to use anything other than 87 octane. If you have any doubts try this link http://www.howstuffworks.com/question90.htm
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#601
July 19, 2008, 10:08:52 PM
thanks abnormaltoy.. that was very useful.
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abnormaltoy

#602
July 19, 2008, 10:31:19 PM
I live to serve.
The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-- Winston Churchill

Censorship, that most subtle tool of oppression, the tool of the fearful and small minded. 8/15/2008

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Duffil

#603
July 19, 2008, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: abnormaltoy on July 19, 2008, 10:31:19 PM
I live to serve.
what are you doing later? :gap:

:reg:

abnormaltoy

#604
July 19, 2008, 11:10:02 PM
Quote from: Duffil on July 19, 2008, 11:05:16 PM
what are you doing later? :gap:

:reg:

Not you, that's for dang sure!
The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
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Censorship, that most subtle tool of oppression, the tool of the fearful and small minded. 8/15/2008

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kneedownnate

#605
July 19, 2008, 11:24:20 PM
Quote from: that HO kid on July 19, 2008, 09:31:56 PM
.... i know the more octane.... the better.... TO A POINT!
if you go too much octane in a street legal vehicle, it not only becomes illegal, but it starts harming :pokinit:.... therefore reversing the purpose.

Oh man, you too have been snowballed!  I always :rofl2:  when some poor sob informs me that you'll blow up an engine if you use high octane gas  :haha:  I'm fairly performance ignorant, but one of the few things I picked up growing up around stocker and te51levin was if you use a high octane fuel in a normal engine it'll......  run!  I've run 110 octane in a stock engine, flogged it unmericful for hours and never had any issue.  Only reason I ran it was cause it was barely more at the race track and I just wanted to smell it  :haha:
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#606
July 19, 2008, 11:26:41 PM
Quote from: kneedownnate on July 19, 2008, 11:24:20 PM
Oh man, you too have been snowballed!  I always :rofl2:  when some poor sob informs me that you'll blow up an engine if you use high octane gas  :haha:  I'm fairly performance ignorant, but one of the few things I picked up growing up around stocker and te51levin was if you use a high octane fuel in a normal engine it'll......  run!  I've run 110 octane in a stock engine, flogged it unmericful for hours and never had any issue.  Only reason I ran it was cause it was barely more at the race track and I just wanted to smell it  :haha:

it doesnt damage rings or nothing?
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abnormaltoy

#607
July 19, 2008, 11:35:10 PM
It only hurts your wallet. Live and learn.
The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
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Duffil

#608
July 19, 2008, 11:38:10 PM
no. Race fuel/high octane runs cooler than lower octane fuel and doesn't hurt anything.

THK Matt

#609
July 20, 2008, 12:24:36 AM
thats good to know.... cause higher octane takes less effort to ignite, correct? thus less heat is created.
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Stocker

#610
July 20, 2008, 06:55:23 AM Last Edit: July 20, 2008, 07:06:47 AM by Stocker
Quote from: that HO kid on July 20, 2008, 12:24:36 AM
thats good to know.... cause higher octane takes less effort to ignite, correct? thus less heat is created.

Quote from: abnormaltoy on July 19, 2008, 10:02:10 PM
The higher octane rating of race gas makes it harder to ignite the gas, so it won't ignite until it gets a spark.


I think maybe you are confusing gasoline (and octane boosters) with other exotic fuels or additives, which are not designed for use in a normal gasoline engine.  And you may be thinking that higher octane = more power output.

Not to oversimplify, an engine's power output is determined by the components of the engine and its control mechanisms, whether mechanical (old school) or electronic.  If an engine is designed such that it requires high octane gasoline, then using low octane gas can harm the engine.  But if it is designed for low octane gas, using high octane will not make it produce more power.  Of course, if carbon deposits cause the engine to ping (spark knock, pre-ignition, detonation) on 87 octane, using a premium grade may be used to solve mask the problem.
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abnormaltoy

#611
July 20, 2008, 08:28:51 AM
Quote from: Stocker on July 20, 2008, 06:55:23 AM

I think maybe you are confusing gasoline (and octane boosters) with other exotic fuels or additives, which are not designed for use in a normal gasoline engine.  And you may be thinking that higher octane = more power output.

Not to oversimplify, an engine's power output is determined by the components of the engine and its control mechanisms, whether mechanical (old school) or electronic.  If an engine is designed such that it requires high octane gasoline, then using low octane gas can harm the engine.  But if it is designed for low octane gas, using high octane will not make it produce more power.  Of course, if carbon deposits cause the engine to ping (spark knock, pre-ignition, detonation) on 87 octane, using a premium grade may be used to solve mask the problem.

Which is why I said a stock-ish Toy engine is fairly low compression and since higher octane resists compression ignition...higher octane fuel isn't needed. True, if you have a high compression engine you can cause damage because of detonation. But, most people know if they have a 12.5:1 engine and will use higher octane fuel. BUT...you can have a static compression ratio of 8:1, but have an effective ratio of 12:1 if you've added a turbo or supercharger, you will need higher octane in that case.
The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-- Winston Churchill

Censorship, that most subtle tool of oppression, the tool of the fearful and small minded. 8/15/2008

"It is interesting that we are asked to NOT judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics. Too bad gun owners can't get same judgment."
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KDXSR5

#612
July 20, 2008, 08:43:29 AM
I use the premium high octane gas in my truck (exxon specifically) so i can bump the timing more without detonation. The engine will not allow you to do that on regular because it begins to detonate.

abnormaltoy

#613
July 20, 2008, 08:50:17 AM
Quote from: that HO kid on July 20, 2008, 12:24:36 AM
thats good to know.... cause higher octane takes less effort to ignite, correct? thus less heat is created.

Nope...higher octane fuel is harder to ignite, it resists compression ignition.

The bottom line is...if you have a stock engine use what the manufacturer suggests. Running race gas in a low/stock engine is unnecessary.

The reason people run high octane fuel (or fuel with additives) is to stop compression ignition so the charge will ignite at the proper time...when the spark plug lights it off. In a 12.5:1 engine 87 octane might light off at only 1/4 of the piston uptravel (detonation) causing the piston to fight the explosion the rest of the way toward the top. In a stock engine 87 octane will just compress until it is ignited, just before the top of the upstroke. All this is because all things being equal...compression causes heat, check out the high pressure side of a refrigeration unit.
The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-- Winston Churchill

Censorship, that most subtle tool of oppression, the tool of the fearful and small minded. 8/15/2008

"It is interesting that we are asked to NOT judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics. Too bad gun owners can't get same judgment."
Travis Tritt (I know!)

Stocker

#614
July 20, 2008, 09:45:03 AM
Quote from: abnormaltoy on July 20, 2008, 08:28:51 AM
Which is why I said a stock-ish Toy engine is fairly low compression and since higher octane resists compression ignition...higher octane fuel isn't needed. True, if you have a high compression engine you can cause damage because of detonation. But, most people know if they have a 12.5:1 engine and will use higher octane fuel. BUT...you can have a static compression ratio of 8:1, but have an effective ratio of 12:1 if you've added a turbo or supercharger, you will need higher octane in that case.
Ack!  Sorry for the confusion, my post was directed at HO kid, not at you!!  I quoted both him and you to point out to him that you had already answered the exact question that he had just asked. 

On the record, I agree with everything you posted here so far!   :thumbs:
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abnormaltoy

#615
July 20, 2008, 10:14:12 AM
Quote from: Stocker on July 20, 2008, 09:45:03 AM
Ack!  Sorry for the confusion, my post was directed at HO kid, not at you!!  I quoted both him and you to point out to him that you had already answered the exact question that he had just asked. 

On the record, I agree with everything you posted here so far!   :thumbs:

Well, did you get the part where I get to be king of the world for a day?


I often reread something I said, like in your quote, and think I may not have made point very well...most times my mind goes way faster than my fingers, so I kind of fragment my answers. (I think it has something to do with all my partying in the 70's)  :dunno:
The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-- Winston Churchill

Censorship, that most subtle tool of oppression, the tool of the fearful and small minded. 8/15/2008

"It is interesting that we are asked to NOT judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics. Too bad gun owners can't get same judgment."
Travis Tritt (I know!)

kneedownnate

#616
July 20, 2008, 09:07:40 PM
Wait, I didn't party in the 70s but I have the same affliction  :bolt:
RIP KYOTA

You can go through life being scared of the possible, or you can have a little fun and tease the inevitable.

Give a man venison, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to hunt Blacktail, he'll be frustrated for life!

JanMarie13

#617
July 21, 2008, 05:41:16 AM
Quote from: kneedownnate on July 20, 2008, 09:07:40 PM
Wait, I didn't party in the 70s but I have the same affliction  :bolt:

You were a RESULT of 70's partying, Nate, so I guess that counts.  :yupyup:
RIP Kyle, we love and miss you man.  :smooch:
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thanks for the smooch I miss you too !  :yesnod:

Stocker

#618
July 21, 2008, 06:31:08 AM
Quote from: MPA on July 21, 2008, 05:41:16 AM
You were a RESULT of 70's partying, Nate, so I guess that counts.  :yupyup:
:haha:  :rofl2:
My goal in life is to be as a good a person as my dog already thinks I am.

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abnormaltoy

#619
July 21, 2008, 08:54:35 AM
Quote from: MPA on July 21, 2008, 05:41:16 AM
You were a RESULT of 70's partying, Nate, so I guess that counts.  :yupyup:

Picture Stocker and Mrs. Stocker in satin disco clothes...just a pithin' woo!
The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-- Winston Churchill

Censorship, that most subtle tool of oppression, the tool of the fearful and small minded. 8/15/2008

"It is interesting that we are asked to NOT judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics. Too bad gun owners can't get same judgment."
Travis Tritt (I know!)

MiniSimp

#620
July 21, 2008, 09:02:22 AM
Down to $4.05 with 10c discount at Safeway :-\

kneedownnate

#621
July 21, 2008, 10:06:17 AM
Quote from: MPA on July 21, 2008, 05:41:16 AM
You were a RESULT of 70's partying, Nate, so I guess that counts.  :yupyup:

:rofl2:  I hadn't thought of that!

Quote from: abnormaltoy on July 21, 2008, 08:54:35 AM
Picture Stocker and Mrs. Stocker in satin disco clothes...just a pithin' woo!

I dunno, I seem to remember seeing pics of mrs. stocker wearing bell bottoms, but I'm pretty sure stocker wears the same flannel shirt and jeans as he did in the 70s  :ack:
RIP KYOTA

You can go through life being scared of the possible, or you can have a little fun and tease the inevitable.

Give a man venison, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to hunt Blacktail, he'll be frustrated for life!

KDXSR5

#622
July 21, 2008, 10:23:57 AM
I saw 3.85 on the way to work today

abnormaltoy

#623
July 21, 2008, 11:51:43 AM
Quote from: kneedownnate on July 21, 2008, 10:06:17 AM
:rofl2:  I hadn't thought of that!

I dunno, I seem to remember seeing pics of mrs. stocker wearing bell bottoms, but I'm pretty sure stocker wears the same flannel shirt and jeans as he did in the 70s  :ack:

Sounds like me...waaay different sizes, but, t-shirts and jeans (and sports man-bra :gap:). Although I dated this one girl whose parents owned a clothing store in Dallas...she bought me some oh-fishel disco clothes.
The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-- Winston Churchill

Censorship, that most subtle tool of oppression, the tool of the fearful and small minded. 8/15/2008

"It is interesting that we are asked to NOT judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics. Too bad gun owners can't get same judgment."
Travis Tritt (I know!)

BLACKDOG

#624
July 21, 2008, 01:28:20 PM
Quote from: abnormaltoy on July 21, 2008, 11:51:43 AM
Sounds like me...waaay different sizes, but, t-shirts and jeans (and sports man-bra :gap:). Although I dated this one girl whose parents owned a clothing store in Dallas...she bought me some oh-fishel disco clothes.

:worthless:
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abnormaltoy

#625
July 21, 2008, 01:47:50 PM
Quote from: BLACKDOG on July 21, 2008, 01:28:20 PM
:worthless:

Yeah right...like I would've left any photos around. Love/lust will make you do silly ass things, like wear satin pants on New Years Eve.
The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-- Winston Churchill

Censorship, that most subtle tool of oppression, the tool of the fearful and small minded. 8/15/2008

"It is interesting that we are asked to NOT judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics. Too bad gun owners can't get same judgment."
Travis Tritt (I know!)

Stocker

#626
July 21, 2008, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: abnormaltoy on July 21, 2008, 08:54:35 AM
Picture Stocker and Mrs. Stocker in satin disco clothes...just a pithin' woo!
:headscratch:   Clearly, you do not know us well...      :gap:


Quote from: kneedownnate on July 21, 2008, 10:06:17 AMI dunno, I seem to remember seeing pics of mrs. stocker wearing bell bottoms, but I'm pretty sure stocker wears the same flannel shirt and jeans as he did in the 70s  :ack:
Yer probly right -- not just the same style, the very same clothes!    :cheese:


Quote from: abnormaltoy on July 21, 2008, 01:47:50 PM
Love/lust will make you do silly ass things, like wear satin pants on New Years Eve. 
:haha:
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superyota

#627
July 22, 2008, 02:26:28 PM
paid $4.25 yesterday in costa mesa at the ampm.  cheepest i've seen in the last few weeks.  even cheeper than bakersfield where it was $4.39 at a fast trip the day before yesterday.  i sure am glad i got my civic up and going again.
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BLACKDOG

#628
July 22, 2008, 02:56:31 PM
Saw 3.99 for gas this morning.  didn't see the diesel prices though.  I'll probably be filling up this weekend, so I'll know then. 
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
              -Ronald Reagan

Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent

kneedownnate

#629
July 22, 2008, 02:56:58 PM
Quote from: superyota on July 22, 2008, 02:26:28 PM
i sure am glad i got my civic up and going again.

Yea, but you can't fit 2nd gen doors in a civic though  :gap:
RIP KYOTA

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