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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #90 on: Jul 10, 2016, 05:42:46 PM »
Got an O'ring from Ace Hardware...

I'd still like to give the O'ring a very light coat of Permatex Form-a-gasket No. 2?? .... just for poop 'n giggles?

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #91 on: Jul 10, 2016, 05:46:53 PM »
Hey excabswap.... I got that O'ring.  I thank you very much for your kind offer!  You should experience a little deposit in your Karma Bank!!  :biggthumpup:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #92 on: Jul 10, 2016, 05:48:24 PM »
Hey no worries. Just be sure that you use the blue permatex.. it says thermostat housing and water pump on it

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #93 on: Jul 10, 2016, 05:58:26 PM »
Hey no worries. Just be sure that you use the blue permatex.. it says thermostat housing and water pump on it

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Holy Crapity!!  :yikes:  Another Permatex!!  :yikes: Geez... I need to buy some Permatex stock!!  :greengrin:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #94 on: Jul 10, 2016, 06:04:07 PM »
I always put some red RTV on that O-ring. No gasket, as it will space the O-ring too far away for a good seal. Been working on vehicles since I was 8, so when you get to tightening that pan gasket (cork) watch the edge of the gasket as you are snugging the bolts down and when the gasket JUST starts to bulge out a Little, THAT'S TIGHT, go no further and you will have no leaks. You're on the right track with being detailed.   :biggthumpup:
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #95 on: Jul 10, 2016, 06:07:39 PM »
Here ya go.. this is a different product..
Yup lots of kinds of permatex haha


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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #96 on: Jul 10, 2016, 06:20:26 PM »
I always put some red RTV on that O-ring. No gasket, as it will space the O-ring too far away for a good seal. Been working on vehicles since I was 8, so when you get to tightening that pan gasket (cork) watch the edge of the gasket as you are snugging the bolts down and when the gasket JUST starts to bulge out a Little, THAT'S TIGHT, go no further and you will have no leaks. You're on the right track with being detailed.   :biggthumpup:

Hi S,

Well...... I already did my oil pan.   Hopefully it sealed right.  I was going to use a gasket, and then I decided to try it without one, since the cork gaskets do have a tendency to squish out.  I didn't RTV it and leave it overnight that was recommended.  I used the rest of my expensive the Right Stuff, let it dry for about 1 hour. Layed the pan on the block. Let it sit for about 2 hours, then tighten the pan bolts just barely finger tight. Let it sit for another 2 hours, then torqued them down.  I got a little squish coming out on a couple places.   So.... I will know after I fire it up and check for leaks!!

There's so many ways to do stuff.  I tend to be more anal and cautious just because I don't have that much experience.

I appreciate the input!  I'm making notes from all the hot tips I get here!  :thumbs:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #97 on: Jul 10, 2016, 06:24:21 PM »
Here ya go.. this is a different product..
Yup lots of kinds of permatex haha


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Where did you find that?? 

Just so you know, all of Permatex Ultra Series RTV is "sensor safe".

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #98 on: Jul 10, 2016, 06:40:30 PM »
You can find it at O'Reilly auto parts.. the big reason i posted this type instead is because it's made for water pump type seals

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #99 on: Jul 12, 2016, 04:18:23 AM »
Just an FYI,

Not that I had any doubts about the top notch expert gurus here on this forum... but I was curious what Peratex would say...

I got an email response from Permatex Technical Services.  They recommend Ultra Blue or Ultra Gray for the water temp sensing pipes.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #100 on: Jul 12, 2016, 11:38:19 AM »
But those aren't temp sensor pipes, i thought you were doing the heater core bypass pipe...
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #101 on: Jul 12, 2016, 02:33:26 PM »
I actually like the cork gasket on the older style 20R/22R pans.  They are usually flat though unlike the later model 22RE ones.  I used the cork with that spray on copper looking stuff and so far no leaks.

On the later style with the dips in the flange I have used both grey and black permatex with success and the Toyota stuff a few times too.

I have found that whatever I use, I have a better seal if I wipe the mating surfaces down with acetone before application.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #102 on: Jul 12, 2016, 07:07:49 PM »
I actually like the cork gasket on the older style 20R/22R pans.  They are usually flat though unlike the later model 22RE ones.  I used the cork with that spray on copper looking stuff and so far no leaks.

On the later style with the dips in the flange I have used both grey and black permatex with success and the Toyota stuff a few times too.

I have found that whatever I use, I have a better seal if I wipe the mating surfaces down with acetone before application.

Hi H,

I think probably any of the popular Permatex gasket making products will work fine on the oil pan, with or without the cork gasket. If the cork gasket is allowed to "set up" some before torquing the bolts, I think it will seal fine. 

I bought 3 gallons of paint thinner for my basic degreasing, and 1 galllon of acetone for final cleaning.  I have used starting fluid as well for super cleaning.  For the carbon inside the intake manifold and throttle body, I used a little steel brush and carb and brake cleaner.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #103 on: Jul 12, 2016, 07:17:24 PM »
But those aren't temp sensor pipes, i thought you were doing the heater core bypass pipe...
 

Hi e,

I called it a water temperature sensing pipe because there is a temperature sensor that sits on top of the port where the pipe flange and rubber O'ring sit.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #104 on: Jul 12, 2016, 07:35:21 PM »
Update:  7-12-16

I was going to temporarily use my stock exhaust manifold, but discovered a micro-crack  :ack: where it was obviously over-heated when the engine ran out of coolant.

So... now I'm going to spend about $1,000  :yikes: for a Doug Thorley header and new 2.25" exhaust pipe, and will most likely have to buy a new cat and muffler.   :smack:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #105 on: Jul 12, 2016, 07:40:28 PM »
My Doug thorley Tri Y was only 300 and i think i only paid 100 for the header back including the flowmaster... hope you find a good deal

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #106 on: Jul 12, 2016, 07:46:23 PM »
My Doug thorley Tri Y was only 300 and i think i only paid 100 for the header back including the flowmaster... hope you find a good deal

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Hey e,

Yeah... back when I started my spreadsheet and plugged in estimated costs, I did some quick research on sources and costs, but I'll search for a good deal.

I'm now considering"fundmyproject"!! for some public benevolence. :sad2:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #107 on: Jul 14, 2016, 10:58:50 AM »
I know you're on the tail end, but LCE is having a giveaway on their facebook and instagram account... a nice shiny header is one of the prizes! I'm not a big LCE fan for their header, but free is free!
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #108 on: Jul 14, 2016, 08:01:30 PM »
I know you're on the tail end, but LCE is having a giveaway on their facebook and instagram account... a nice shiny header is one of the prizes! I'm not a big LCE fan for their header, but free is free!

Hi e,

Gee, it would be nice feel like I'm at the "tail end".  I would like to get the engine back together this week end, and then prep the engine bay and get it ready to drop the engine back onto to the motor mounts, remount the A/C compressor, pulleys, alternator, etc.  I'm not going as fast as I thought I would.

Yes, I went to the FB and saw the ad.  I'm not a FB expert, so I won't tag any friends.  The LCE header is a 4-into-1 style and is known for it's high quality.  I don't think it would be any better than a Doug Thorley, but I don't have anything to compare it to.  From my understanding it's good for top end RPM but may trade off some lower RPM torque.  For my current build, cam & OS valves, I think the DT header is a better choice, BUT..... a free $400 header would be awesome.

It would be fun to chassis dyno the two headers and see the results.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #109 on: Jul 14, 2016, 08:51:31 PM »
Double check everything when reassembling. Just got mine fired up this week...and I have problems with the number 4 cylinder. I'd hate to see something like that happen to you Gnarly.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #110 on: Jul 14, 2016, 11:38:49 PM »
I know you're on the tail end, but LCE is having a giveaway on their facebook and instagram account... a nice shiny header is one of the prizes! I'm not a big LCE fan for their header, but free is free!

Look up lce vs doug thorley header.  Lots of stuff out there where people felt like they wasted their money on thorley, bought lce and were much happier. 
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #111 on: Jul 15, 2016, 10:21:15 AM »
Double check everything when reassembling. Just got mine fired up this week...and I have problems with the number 4 cylinder. I'd hate to see something like that happen to you Gnarly.

What happened to #4?
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #112 on: Jul 15, 2016, 10:26:31 AM »
Just make sure you use REMFLEX gaskets for the header and you'll be fine. Most all the problems were because they didn't get a good seal at the head

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #113 on: Jul 15, 2016, 04:45:11 PM »
Look up lce vs doug thorley header.  Lots of stuff out there...
 

Hi k,

Yeah, the problem for me is that I can't find anyone willing to share certified dyno test data.  So I can take from what
 LCE says and I take from DT what they say, and I cab take what everyone says who has an opinion, or has installed one, or both headers.

I'll do some more research.  It's been years since I was very actively involved in these 22s, so I'm a little behind.

I appreciate your input.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #114 on: Jul 15, 2016, 06:34:36 PM »
I've ran both, honestly could not feel a seat of the pants difference.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #115 on: Jul 15, 2016, 07:20:40 PM »
I'll bet either is better than stock though lol

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #116 on: Jul 15, 2016, 08:31:33 PM »
I've ran both, honestly could not feel a seat of the pants difference.

Hey r,

Well, I installed a DT on my first '86 long bed automatic 22RE, I installed DT on my 22R 1985 short bed, 5-speed, and both times it was VERY noticeable for me.

My old butt dyno maybe a tad more sensitive?  :gap:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #117 on: Jul 15, 2016, 08:35:24 PM »
Look up lce vs doug thorley header.  Lots of stuff out there where people felt like they wasted their money on thorley, bought lce and were much happier. 

Hi k,

Well, thank you for your post and poking me to do some research.  I spoke to LCE this afternoon.  I also did some web searches.  I still want to talk to a couple other 22 "experts" and get some more opinions.  But.. at this point I'm leaning heavily towards buying an LCE header!!... I'll go 2.25" on the exhaust pipe with free flow cat and muffler.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #118 on: Jul 15, 2016, 08:41:40 PM »
Just make sure you use REMFLEX gaskets for the header and you'll be fine. Most all the problems were because they didn't get a good seal at the head

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Well... I have read posts on a car forum that the Remflex gaskets are no good????

I'll probably go with the gasket that is supplied with the header from LCE.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #119 on: Jul 15, 2016, 08:43:36 PM »
They have a 50% crush rate, 100% graphite and no re-torque needed

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