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jrock · « **on:** Mar 03, 2009, 11:25:07 PM »

I have around $800, a steering problem and a tire problem. Shimmy in the steering, two bald tires.

Do I get hi-steer or two new tires and fix the stock steering?

00taco · « **Reply #1 on:** Mar 03, 2009, 11:57:27 PM »

i think it is your tires im running some bald tire right now and it shimmies, could be your alignment too.

jrock · « **Reply #2 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 12:05:05 AM »

I have not bald 30s on now and the shimmy is not so bad but it is slightly noticeable. I put on my bald 33s and the thing shimmies on bumpy ground. It likes to change its mind on the direction.

emsvitil · « **Reply #3 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 12:20:41 AM »

How's your steering stabilizer/shock?

Snowtoy · « **Reply #4 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 12:31:17 AM »

Where is the shimmy, bump steer, or death wobble?

If it is in the steering wheel it is the tires, usually a balance/out of round issue. The other 2 are steering issues

You cheapest route would be to have either the 30's or 33's balanced and see if that doesn't solve your problem.

jrock · « **Reply #5 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 07:59:59 AM »

Quote from: emsvitil on Mar 04, 2009, 12:20:41 AM

How's your steering stabilizer/shock?

It's good, as far as I can tell.

Quote from: Snowtoy on Mar 04, 2009, 12:31:17 AM

Where is the shimmy, bump steer, or death wobble?

If it is in the steering wheel it is the tires, usually a balance/out of round issue. The other 2 are steering issues

You cheapest route would be to have either the 30's or 33's balanced and see if that doesn't solve your problem.

Not bump steer, not DW. There is no motion transferred to the steering wheel and it doesn't pull when braking. It pulls to one side and then it'll pull to the other, when running straight. Both the 30s and 33s are balanced.

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #6 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 08:01:57 AM »

Fix the steering, no bandaids.

1981_toy · « **Reply #7 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 08:23:16 AM »

high steer...

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #8 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 08:43:26 AM »

if you are running 30's and going to 33's you dont need high steer, you do need new tires

maybe new tie rod ends ($10 per side +/- )

blackdiamond · « **Reply #9 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 12:02:57 PM »

Are your steering arms tight? I drove my 4Runner the 1st time not realizing that the steering arms were not torqued and it horrible. Just an idea...

jrock · « **Reply #10 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 12:22:05 PM »

Rebuilt the front about 2 months ago, first thing I checked was the trunion preloads, they were loose and have been tightened. The wheel bearings have been re-re-torqued. The toe-in is 1/8in. The steering box has been tightened/adjusted as tight as it will go and is now back to around specs. Newer poly bushings in the front. Everything has been tightened.
The only other thing I think could be causing this is the negative arch in the springs.

steveco. · « **Reply #11 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 03:24:45 PM »

you could probably get both if you shop around..

93tonkatoy · « **Reply #12 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 03:35:38 PM »

I don't know if you've checked it, but wear in the steering box can cause "play" in the steering. Have someone slowly turn the steering one way then the other, while you watch the steering box. Any movement of the input shaft without immediate movement in the pitman arm will indicate this type of wear. If that looks right, continue through the steering components to find any play (drag link ball joints, tie rod ends).

jrock · « **Reply #13 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 04:13:52 PM »

Quote from: 93tonkatoy on Mar 04, 2009, 03:35:38 PM

I don't know if you've checked it, but wear in the steering box can cause "play" in the steering. Have someone slowly turn the steering one way then the other, while you watch the steering box. Any movement of the input shaft without immediate movement in the pitman arm will indicate this type of wear. If that looks right, continue through the steering components to find any play (drag link ball joints, tie rod ends).

That sound about right.

peacesells · « **Reply #14 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 04:41:30 PM »

I wouldnt put a dime into the stock steering if you ever wheel it

Sounds kinda like you had a tire seperate internally.

jrock · « **Reply #15 on:** Mar 04, 2009, 05:15:08 PM »

Quote from: peacesells63 on Mar 04, 2009, 04:41:30 PM

I wouldn't put a dime into the stock steering if you ever wheel it

Sounds kinda like you had a tire separate internally.

Interesting. But since I get the same issues with both tires I think it is an issue with the geometry of the suspension.

jrock · « **Reply #16 on:** Mar 06, 2009, 10:53:33 AM »

Here is what my front springs look like. Besides the box, this is what I think is wrong. But before I tear into this can-o-worms, what do you think?

Sleeve of Wizzard · « **Reply #17 on:** Mar 06, 2009, 04:52:37 PM »

Any new parts yet?

*** YELLER *** · « **Reply #18 on:** Mar 06, 2009, 04:59:41 PM »

Quote from: jkief86 on Mar 06, 2009, 10:53:33 AM

Here is what my front springs look like. Besides the box, this is what I think is wrong. But before I tear into this can-o-worms, what do you think?

79toy20r · « **Reply #19 on:** Mar 06, 2009, 08:32:06 PM »

correct me if im wrong, but you cant put highsteer on it unless you lift it around 4" or so.
good luck finding the problem. these guys have you heading in the right direction

Redbeard1 · « **Reply #20 on:** Mar 07, 2009, 09:30:15 AM »

Ummm.. The first thing I would do is find some new springs (hellofa negitive arch you have there) and sense you are on a tight budget I would sugest you go with RUF you can get rears at the wrecking yard pretty cheep.Tighten up your drag link balls too if there is any play in them.

jrock · « **Reply #21 on:** Mar 07, 2009, 10:15:21 AM »

Good information, thank you all. I'm putting together some parts and some help so I can start of this. I'm going to hit up some scrap yards for a "better" push-pull box and leafs to use in a stock hybrid pack.

jrock · « **Reply #22 on:** Mar 12, 2009, 01:27:28 PM »

Okay, so, PnP in Stockton and in Fremont where no goes with boxes. Hybrid packs are in but kinda fungly

. A friend gave me the tops from a better pack and I will be rebuilding with them. The steering box is giving me issues and I have procured a hi-steer for cheap... I might be going down that road instead.

Question: Do hi-steer now, are any issues likely? Or find a push-pull box for now and put the hi-steer on this summer with a spring hanger and all the goodies?

RABIDYOTA · « **Reply #23 on:** Mar 12, 2009, 01:43:46 PM »

might as well go hi-steer now why replace boxes twice do it once and be done

jrock · « **Reply #24 on:** Mar 12, 2009, 08:25:59 PM »

Well I just got bumped from the hi-steer for a better offer. Sucks

. Now I'm looking for a push-pull power-steering box if someone has one.

jrock · « **Reply #25 on:** Mar 17, 2009, 07:59:51 PM »

Okay, finally fixed.

I replaced the box with one from an 1980 and after way too long, it was in, bled and working.

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