Topic: HID's

[-Matt-]

Not really sure if this fully falls under chat camp, but anyways.. iv searched quite a bit and cant seem to find what i'm looking for so i'm hoping that someone here will know . most hid's out there are 35watts, but there are some companies that make ballasts that put out 50 or 55watts.
Now...is it like a traditional lighting application where you are able to plug a bulb from a 35watt setup into a 50watt setup and it will just make the bulb brighter?
Or... are the physics or hid's completely different and you need a specific bulb to a specific ballast output?

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  whats a HID 



 

[yota_krawler]

head lights

stands for High Instensity Discharge

[-Matt- [OP]]

head lights

stands for High Instensity Discharge

its what you see in most of the new BMW's, Mitsubishi's, etc. they are really bright and usually have a blue tint to them.

[lilbuddy]

haha

 

[THK Matt]

LilBuddy should be able to help us in this HID desire.
he runs HID's on his 02.

just search for a 7x6in HID headlight.
it will use an H4 bulb

[THK Matt]

http://www.slickcar.com/productdetails.asp?ProductID=5071

http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=873567

[lilbuddy]

LilBuddy should be able to help us in this HID desire.
he runs HID's on his 02.

just search for a 7x6in HID headlight.
it will use an H4 bulb

Yeah he already knows that man. We kinda live in the same town and hang out quite a bit.

And also he already has the lights. Theres a question in there and its about 35 watt vs 50 watt HID BULBS. he has the Hids, the conversion kit and everything needed. Its a specific question about the different bulbs.

[THK Matt]

haha i had to read it twice.

and i'd get bulbs designed to handle the watts yours putting through them.

[lilbuddy]

haha i had to read it twice.

and i'd get bulbs designed to handle the watts yours putting through them.

Well ya but thats not his question at all.

[THK Matt]

thats how i understood it.

if the bulbs are 35 and the ballast goes to 55-60watts... youll end up burning the bulb up.

[lilbuddy]

thats how i understood it.

if the bulbs are 35 and the ballast goes to 55-60watts... youll end up burning the bulb up.

How sure are you on that? Like do you actually know anything about HID bulbs, seriously?

[THK Matt]

How sure are you on that? Like do you actually know anything about HID bulbs, seriously?

I've read up on it.
and had a few people when I worked at Perfection Tire and 4wheel center, that put HID on there vehicles and they didnt upgrade the bulbs and burn't them up.

that's what I am going off of lol

[-Matt- [OP]]

I've read up on it.
and had a few people when I worked at Perfection Tire and 4wheel center, that put HID on there vehicles and they didnt upgrade the bulbs and burn't them up.

that's what I am going off of lol

im confudes...well if they put hid's on their vehicle then they would have had to buy a kit thats suppose to have the correct ballast and HID lights. you cant use halogen bulbs with an HID setup...

[lilbuddy]

I've read up on it.
and had a few people when I worked at Perfection Tire and 4wheel center, that put HID on there vehicles and they didnt upgrade the bulbs and burn't them up.

that's what I am going off of lol

The only reason the bulb would burn is using an HID ballast with a halogen bulb and thats porobably what they did.

Honestly you have no clue what his question is so what youre saying is not relevant to the question at all.

[Steve_925]

i would think that they would work. i dont think the wattage matters just the volts. you can put any watt bulb into a 110v circuit but if you put it in a 220v it would pop the bulb. i would think its the same concept with the HIDs. how much are hte bulbs?

[THK Matt]

i would think that they would work. i dont think the wattage matters just the volts. you can put any watt bulb into a 110v circuit but if you put it in a 220v it would pop the bulb. i would think its the same concept with the HIDs. how much are hte bulbs?

yeah thats is true.
and clears what clown asked.

[lilbuddy]

i would think that they would work. i dont think the wattage matters just the volts. you can put any watt bulb into a 110v circuit but if you put it in a 220v it would pop the bulb. i would think its the same concept with the HIDs. how much are hte bulbs?

Thats exactly pretty much what i said too...

What we were going to do is put my 35 watt bulbs in matts truck with a 50 watt ballast and see what happened . my bulbs are 25 a piece i believe to get replaced.

[bigarms23]

did you look at the ones offered on roundeyes.com

[-Matt- [OP]]

i would think that they would work. i dont think the wattage matters just the volts. you can put any watt bulb into a 110v circuit but if you put it in a 220v it would pop the bulb. i would think its the same concept with the HIDs. how much are hte bulbs?

ya thats what little buddy and i thought but we weren't really sure since the phyics of HID are completely different. i would assume what you said is correct but i would still like to find someone that knows their stuff when it comes to HID's.
the reason i ask is because i just bought a 50watt kit from MARS lighting and Everything seemed really legit but i figured out that both bulbs were malfunctioning. it seems weird to me that both are messed up
(even thought ones worse than the other).
  so i started to think is it really possible that both bulbs were defective or is there something weird going on thats damaging them since im running the 50watt ballast.

i just came across this information and thought it was helpful http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=210459 so basically if this guy is right most of the bulbs aren't really designed for 50watts of power but they run it anyways so im curious now. theres no information on my bulbs that states wattage.

we even took the defected one and put it in little buddys truck (which runs 35watts) and it did the same thing but was even worse. im jsut not sure if they are defective or whether they were damaged and now they arent workin no matter whats powering them.

the problem they have is that they begin pulsing/flashing really intensively. almost like a ballast when it goes out on a florescent light. but i know for a fact its the bulbs and not the ballast or relay. whats weird to is it only starts tweaking out when you rotate the bulbs or shake them. so im hoping that they are jsut defects couse im sending them back and getting new once hoping the problem will be solved

[-Matt- [OP]]

did you look at the ones offered on roundeyes.com

ya i have checked those headlight housings out before, i already have very similar ones that i got off ebay a while ago, they were only 35$ shipped to the door. even if you don't go with the HID upgrade later on and just run an h4 silverstar halogen bulb with those headlight housings then i Highly recommend it. its night and day difference when you compare a traditional headlight to the ones similar to what roundeyes sells. some people dont really give a rats ass about headlights or seeing well, which i understand couse that money could go to a u bolt flip kit..etc. but iv been extremely happy being able to see 10x better.

[twistedtoy92]

you will always eventually run into problems when you use parts that arent within recommended specs.... especially electronics... i'd match up the correct bulb to the ballast.... they will work running the lower wattage bulb but they wont last as long as the higher wattage bulbs with the higher ballast! i believe they would definately be brighter but the only downfall would be that they'd burn out faster..... just give it a try and document how long they last and how much you actually use them, then you'll be able to have proof! 

Could be that you bulbs are defective as well.... never trust that new parts are always good!!!

[-Matt- [OP]]

Could be that you bulbs are defective as well.... never trust that new parts are always good!!!

ya i definitely agree with what you said. im gonna send them back tomorrow. i wont get new ones for probably 2 weeks but ill definitely post up on it. they really are amazing when they work right, besides the problem im having.. im really stoked on mine and ran them for 2 night. made a huge difference, they are fully worth it in general let alone having them on a wheelin rig. its trippy couse the light produced by HID's goes way farther than the halogens, when i would turn the high beams on i could see seriously half a mile down the road and it was so bright that i had to flip them off when i came up on big street signs couse the reflection is blinding.

[Steve_925]

so you bought a kit and it came with 55w ballast and 35w bulbs. when you send them in can you have them exchanged possible? i would love to get some HIDS. my moms 300 has them but here btights arent HID. are most?

[-Matt- [OP]]

so you bought a kit and it came with 55w ballast and 35w bulbs. when you send them in can you have them exchanged possible? i would love to get some HIDS. my moms 300 has them but here btights arent HID. are most?

no my kit has 50watt ballast's which is kinda rare since most are 35 watts, so what im saying is i don't know whether the bulbs that came with mine are rated for 50watts (which id imagine they are..but there no writing on the back to be able to tell) or whether it doesn't really matter and they could be used on basically any HID ballast that will hook up to them. and ya most HID's are only low beam with a high beam halogen. but i really wanted to have the HID high beam option so i bought the kit that has high and low beam HID.. they call them Bi-Xenon kits.

[-Matt- [OP]]

this is what i have just so people have an idea of what im talking about..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DIAMOND-CUT-HEADLIGHTS-
7X6-UNIVERSAL-FIT-H6054_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a543Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem310112524610QQitemZ310112524610QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

http://cgi.ebay.com/MARS-BluePack-12V-24V-50W-Digital-HID-Xenon-H4-Bi-Xenon_W0QQitemZ190275994094QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item190275994094&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

[NorCalToy]

"Poor quality HID kits will not just keep fading/flashing and reducing the beam of light, also will cause computer waring and mess up the electronical system, even melting teh headlamp cover and burn the whole headlight wiring."

quote from ebay ad. so maybe they are the low quality crap?


also, jus curious, how much did you pay for your kit?

and, if you didnt get the Bi-Xenon kit, wouldnt it be possible that you low beam (HID) lights would be brighter than your high-beam (halogen) lights?

[Yota-Freak]

all i kno is dont even think about geting 8500 series HID rally/offroad lights from KC. there 1,000+ on their site..lol. put out 300,000 candle power each! my daylighters put out 30,000 each

[-Matt- [OP]]

"Poor quality HID kits will not just keep fading/flashing and reducing the beam of light, also will cause computer waring and mess up the electronical system, even melting teh headlamp cover and burn the whole headlight wiring."

quote from ebay ad. so maybe they are the low quality crap?


also, jus curious, how much did you pay for your kit?

and, if you didnt get the Bi-Xenon kit, wouldnt it be possible that you low beam (HID) lights would be brighter than your high-beam (halogen) lights?

i got the bi-xenon and they were like 170$ shipped. i send back my old bulbs so hopefully i will get the new ones soon. ill post up the results when i get the new ones 

[THK Matt]

Matt, I think you will be HIGHLY disappointed in those Ebay lenses.... the light pattern mine have are horrible and I could see more with a friggin flashlight... LOL I actually am taking them off and running my Sylvania XtraVision 6054's

Good luck though... hopefully yours are different.