2008 Vote

[Not A Toy]

HAHA no man but you guys are masterdebaters!

[mikerob]

I think if hillary or obama win im gonna move to canada

[kneedownnate]

I dunno, obama says if he wins he WILL cross party lines and bring dems and repubs together on the issues at hand.  Well, being one of the mindless drones that make up america, I'm convinced! 

Then again, I thought all along nobody heard me, but watching the commercials I hear hillary say she hears me so

[Not A Toy]

or to mexico? as fast as there coming here it would be our own private deserted island

[kneedownnate]

I actually wonder how things would have turned out if ross perot had stayed in it the first time around.  He would have won hands down. 

[jimbo74]

so how many of us actually voted? i mean for real? i sent my absent voter ballot in yesterday... i voted for the mormon

[Not A Toy]

I dont vote, I dont think my one vote will be the determining factor.

[jimbo74]

I dont vote, I dont think my one vote will be the determining factor.

its the other people combined with you that think this way is that kills the process




i got a good one!!

if you dont vote you are un american and liek terrorists

[Not A Toy]

yeah maybe but it seems like the vote is always so far one way.   also I never know enough about this stuff to cast a smart vote ya know?

[Not A Toy]

if you dont vote you are un american and liek terrorists

well then I guess



"DIRKA DIRKA MUHAMID JIHAD"

[Toymin8r]

I dont vote, I dont think my one vote will be the determining factor.

You and about 40 million other americans.  Its ashame that so many of you think thay way.  If you don't vote then you shouldn't be commenting at all. 

[Gittinit]

I dont vote, I dont think my one vote will be the determining factor.

I felt the same way for a long time till I finally got tired of the directions things are going in this country.

yeah maybe but it seems like the vote is always so far one way.   also I never know enough about this stuff to cast a smart vote ya know?

Mabye I can't change the world, but my vote is worth as much as any one other persons vote. I can change myself, and choosing to vote, and hope I've made the right decisions, becouse if you don't vote I'm choosing fot you. Is that what you want, someone else making your life changing decisions?

[Gittinit]

GO VOTE PEOPLE!


Its your life, choose to live.

[Trunkz]

* The proliferation of issue ads, by defining as "electioneering communications" broadcast ads that name a federal candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election, and prohibiting any such ad paid for by a corporation (including non-profit issue organizations such as Right to Life or the Environmental Defense Fund) or paid for by an unincorporated entity using any corporate or union funds.


ever hear of the first ammendment? lets say i have a website and i like a certain candidate so i put an ad on my site supporting them
guess what its illegal for me to do that within so many days of the election. what first ammendment? what constitution?



"We're not voting for who's going to be the next sunday school teacher, we're voting for a president.  There should NEVER be any affiliation between church and state, and nobody in office should ever make any mention of their religion or faith."   

ummm so what your saying is that you heard someone use this statement at one point or another, please point out what part of the constitution
sais that there should be a seperation of church and state? the first ammendment sais that the government cannot limit or regulate religeon or the
free practice of it
seperation of church and state was a phrase used by thomas jefferson in a speach in 1812(i think thats the year at least) it is
not a law or even enforcable. 
on a side note would you vote for someone thats religion required the sacrafice of newborn babies? thats something i would seriously take into consideration with a candidate


"I actually wonder how things would have turned out if ross perot had stayed in it the first time around.  He would have won hands down."
ross wasnt running to win he just ran to keep bush from getting elected again old grudge from when bush sr ran the cia -- in effect he
accomplished his goals

"GO VOTE PEOPLE!


Its your life, choose to live."

i voted but if p-didy asks i didnt and will gladly send him my address

[BigMike]

Sorry for getting all religious on this thread. I want to continue discussing it, and I will do so over in the Christian thread. If you are interested, then please click here: another religion thread, reply #123


I just heard a radio message of McCain stating how he will tighten up the borders yadda yadda yadda. But what about the current illegals? Does anyone know McCain's stand on them? I thought I heard that he was going to allow all sorts of governmental aid for them? Is this true?

[Lady Di]

Sorry for getting all religious on this thread. I want to continue discussing it, and I will do so over in the Christian thread. If you are interested, then please click here: another religion thread, reply #123


I just heard a radio message of McCain stating how he will tighten up the borders yadda yadda yadda. But what about the current illegals? Does anyone know McCain's stand on them? I thought I heard that he was going to allow all sorts of governmental aid for them? Is this true?

I know he was a propenent of the 'amnesty for illegals bill' that didn't get passed.

[Lady Di]

There are actually 4 people that have seen this thread and would vote for Hillary

[abnormaltoy]

Sorry for getting all religious on this thread. I want to continue discussing it, and I will do so over in the Christian thread. If you are interested, then please click here: another religion thread, reply #123


I just heard a radio message of McCain stating how he will tighten up the borders yadda yadda yadda. But what about the current illegals? Does anyone know McCain's stand on them? I thought I heard that he was going to allow all sorts of governmental aid for them? Is this true?

According to the mccain/kennedy amnesty act, which he said he would still support, if an illegal hasn't committed any crimes (I guess they're discounting the crime of illegal entry, document fraud, etc.) they would have to pay a fine...but, basically they would go to the head of the line. He and President Bush are both open border supporters.

[abnormaltoy]

I know he was a propenent of the 'amnesty for illegals bill' that didn't get passed.

He was a little more than a proponent...he was one of the authors, one of the people who tried to get it done behind closed doors...to keep the politics out of it.

[abnormaltoy]

Well, I'm out the door to exercise my rights as a citizen of these United States and to do my part to save the nation from HillObamaCain.


God Bless (or is it Help) America 

[79coyotefrg]

I'm not so ignorant as to not vote for somebody based on their religion, and I'd hope nobody else is so ignorant as to vote for somebody due to their religion.  It's at that point that we become mindless drones.  I don't care who supports the pope, because that has absolutely nothing to do with the position.  I can't possibly see what bible prophecy has to do with anything, but maybe that's because I use my own mind to make my decissions

We're not voting for who's going to be the next sunday school teacher, we're voting for a president.  There should NEVER be any affiliation between church and state, and nobody in office should ever make any mention of their religion or faith. 

i call bull crap its right there in the Constitution  and on every greenback in your wallet  "IN GOD WE TRUST"

[Lady Di]

Well, I'm out the door to exercise my rights as a citizen of these United States and to do my part to save the nation from HillObamaCain.


God Bless (or is it Help) America 

  I already did my part!

[Rocksurfer]

Something to ponder, how in the world would you propose to remove all the current illegals residing here? A monumental task I think.

Before any talk of deportation, legalization or whatever means to cure the problem of current illegal residents you must stop the bleeding, until then shut up!

I think Arizona, (McCain's turf) came up with a cure for the work issue, and I should know since even though I no longer manage a business there I know what is going to happen and is happening right now. The company I worked for is definitely known for hiring illegals (and is currently in the cross-hairs), but Arizona enacted a law that started this year, to where as a business if you knowingly hire illegals and get caught you will suffer greatly. This is a no bull law to, if you get caught you will only be fined the 1st offense, and it is not a slap on the wrist, $10,000 per person. The next time you are caught you instantly loose your license to operate, period! So now how do you think McCain stands on illegals?

The 1st step is to stop or reduce entry into this country to a very small trickle then you can eye those that are already here and decide what to do about them. I say they stay since it will cost more to round them up, give them their hearings and then decide weather or not to allow them to stay.

Here's what I think should happen, allow all current illegals to apply for residency, not permanent but temporary this way they can legally work here thus reducing the burdens of hunting them down. If in 10 years they commit no more than infractions of the law they will receive permanent residency, not citizenship. Those that crossed illegally would never be allowed citizenship since they broke our laws to get here in the 1st place.

There then should be a worker program that allows residents from neighboring countries (North and South America) to come here and work, again this is not permanent residency. They must be working, no free rides, this does bring up some issues in my mind like fair treatment by employers but the law regarding this would be addressed properly. Healthcare must be provided by any employer that hires any employee that is in the worker program during their stay here.

Permanent residency would be reduced to a very small percentage, of the population of immigrants.

Of those that can prove they will be loyal to the US and not allowed just because you've lived here for a certain amount of time will be granted citizenship.

Anything above an infraction of the law can result in permanent revocation of these and subject you to deportation. Even an infraction beyond a traffic ticket if habitual could result in deportation.

What it boils down to is that until the flood gates are closed or until the working environment is too hostile for them to work in, they will come, they will work. I know if I were a contractor and hired 5 illegals to do a job and got caught, $50,000 would hurt. Now being in the sights of the gun just waiting to pull the trigger and I loose my contractors license and my license to operate a business there will be lots of illegals standing on the street corner waiting to the truck that isn't coming. Instead said contractor will now be using one of the day labor services that do backround checks for you and take the responsibility for that. If you take away the illegal jobs there is no reason for the illegals to come.

It's not their (illegals) fault, they just want to eat and live. It's the source that needs to be dealt with, but in saying that those that are already here it's too late, let them stay just make what they did hurt.

I'm voting McCain, sorry abnormaltoy.

[Lady Di]

 

[79coyotefrg]

i have no problems  with any  mexican nationals coming here to work LEGALLY  but  those  coming illegally  and then riding the system, should get the boot  IMMEDIATELY

[79coyotefrg]

i dont know why  but  i think after i made the poll i shoulda  locked the thread 

[Rocksurfer]

i dont know why  but  i think after i made the poll i shoulda  locked the thread 

Why's that, it's the opinions of others and their reasons for who they are voting for is what counts and makes those that don't know who they are voting for decide. This is the type of info that really tells others how people feel about the candidates. Do you think we should only vote from the spin from the candidates themselves? We'd all be voting for a crybaby if that were the case.

[abnormaltoy]

I think Arizona, (McCain's turf) came up with a cure for the work issue,


I'm voting McCain, sorry abnormaltoy.

Just to clarify...mccain had nothing to do with this bill. That was the Arizona state legislature...and I support it 100%


Man, NEVER apologize (to me) for your vote (unless, you find out later I was right ). If that's who you think will do the best job, that's who represents your views...then God bless you for voting. My vote represents ME and how I think the government should be run according to MY interpretaion of the Constitution...all I can reasonably hope for is a well informed electorate. I hate it when people vote with their emotions rather than logic...the was a peice in a local paper and a guy said he was voting for Hlillary, this is his reasoning...and this is a direct quote "Hillary Clinton, of course," Herrera said. "She was the backbone of her husband's presidency and she showed me a lot about family values."  I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but for craps sake! From the same article a young lady (obviously from the sensible shoe and bad haicut crowd) said she was voting for Obama because...'He supports gay rights. I think it's important because everyone deserves to be happy with whoever they want.'  We've got people who want to blow us the hell up and she's concerned that there are sad people in this country!!

[Rocksurfer]

He (McCain) had to sign the bill too, and did. I remember the bosses at my work desperately lobbying him not to but he did. Sure it wasn't his baby but he did what was right in the end.

....I'm not sorry in that way, I just know how much you despise him even breathing the same air you do.

[Toymin8r]

If they are to give amnesty to illegals then they should have to also give amnesty to any and all americans who failed to file or pay federal income taxes over the last 25 years since most illegals heve never filed or payed either.