Jeep vs. Toyota

[Rocksurfer]

Ok.... so I did It didn't even occur to me that ya'll would take that route

Well if it is a problem for you my Willys really has no dash at all.  

Not too bad on the leg-room either since i moved them back 2 inches. Also has a tilt steering wheel out of a Buick. The biggest problem to moving the seats back was the rear wheel wells sit directly behind the front seats so I had to cut notches in them..... the wheel wells not the seats.

The Celica seats in my Toyota put me on the floor so there are inch and a 1/2 blocks between the mounts.

[*FFC*]

Well if it is a problem for you my Willys really has no dash at all.  

Not too bad on the leg-room either since i moved them back 2 inches. Also has a tilt steering wheel out of a Buick. The biggest problem to moving the seats back was the rear wheel wells sit directly behind the front seats so I had to cut notches in them..... the wheel wells not the seats.

The Celica seats in my Toyota put me on the floor so there are inch and a 1/2 blocks between the mounts.

you know you just reminded me of the guy on the radio that says "You know the problem with bucket seats? They're all the same size.  They really should make different size bucket seats for different size Butts"

It ain't a problem I just don't ride in em unless I really have to

[lowgeared]

Here let me stir the pot a bit....I'll put my Jeep up against any comparable Toyota any day of the week.    PS-  I also own 1  Toyota 85 efi runner, 1 84 pu, 1 85 pu, one 86 pu, and another 84 pu.

[blackdiamond]

Consider the pot stirred...

Is there really any comparison between a Jeep and a Toyota?  Most everyone on this board knows that nothing compares with and he don't do Jeeps.











Actually, I like Jeeps myself...just ended up getting a Toy first and fell in love 

[Rocksurfer]

Here let me stir the pot a bit....I'll put my Jeep up against any comparable Toyota any day of the week.    PS-  I also own 1  Toyota 85 efi runner, 1 84 pu, 1 85 pu, one 86 pu, and another 84 pu.

Here I'll bring the heat up on that pot, my Jeep is very well set up and it is a garage queen. In fact my club has banned it from going on runs, they got tired of dragging my broken ass off the trail. I like my Jeep and it is a lot of fun to drive.... for a while, but without fail at some point it will self-destruct and need a tow. So I learned my lesson, parked my Jeep and went back to what I knew was best in the first place, a Toyota. Now I have broke stuff on my Toy but it has never let me down, (  knock on wood)  in fact I can't think of a time that any Toy I've owned that let me down on the trail to where I needed to be towed home. Yes I have broke stuff on 'em but they just keep going. Even my Sammi was better!

[*FFC*]

In fact my club has banned it from going on runs, they got tired of dragging my broken ass off the trail.

[mudmaster]

tired of dragging my broken ass off the trail.

No maintenance?

[*FFC*]

No maintenance?

No...It's a Hee... Um... Jeep

[mudmaster]

I've found that no matter what you own, it seems to be the people that are unprepared or don't do preventive maintenance are the ones breaking their junk.

[alwayzbroken]

I've found that no matter what you own, it seems to be the people that are unprepared or don't do preventive maintenance are the ones breaking their junk.

Very true, but there are always exceptions that enjoy giving their rig a dirty thrashing.

[mudmaster]

True, true

[*FFC*]

Very true, but there are always exceptions that enjoy giving their rig a dirty thrashing.

    

[Rocksurfer]

No maintenance?

Tons of maintenance, maintenance all the time.  In fact it's a really clean little rig, but it is a high maintenance little booger, I still like it, though:





Military Alaskan Hard Top and Doors 
Buick 231 "Odd-fire" V6 
Bored .030 Over With .010 Crank 
Crower Pro-Cam 
Melling True Roller Timing Chain
MSD Electronic Ignition
Offenhouser Dual Plane, Dual Port Intake Manifold 
Holly 390 cfm 4 Barrel Carburator 
Thorley Headers With 38 Inch Primary Tube Fenderwell Outlets 
Dual Thrush Mufflers 
Muncie M22 Rockcrusher 4 Speed Transmission 
Dana/Spicer T18 Transfer Case 
Saturn Dual Range Auxiliary Transmission 
Dana 25 Front Axle 
Dana 41 Rear Axle 
G.M. Saganaw Powersteering Box 
3 1/2" Suspension Lift 
Rancho 9000 Shocks 
B.F. Goodrich 33x11.50 All-Terrain Tires 

I don't even drive it anymore and I still give it regular maintenance

[*FFC*]

Tons of maintenance, maintenance all the time.  In fact it's a really clean little rig, but it is a high maintenance little booger, I still like it, though:





Military Alaskan Hard Top and Doors 
Buick 231 "Odd-fire" V6 
Bored .030 Over With .010 Crank 
Crower Pro-Cam 
Melling True Roller Timing Chain
MSD Electronic Ignition
Offenhouser Dual Plane, Dual Port Intake Manifold 
Holly 390 cfm 4 Barrel Carburator 
Thorley Headers With 38 Inch Primary Tube Fenderwell Outlets 
Dual Thrush Mufflers 
Muncie M22 Rockcrusher 4 Speed Transmission 
Dana/Spicer T18 Transfer Case 
Saturn Dual Range Auxiliary Transmission 
Dana 25 Front Axle 
Dana 41 Rear Axle 
G.M. Saganaw Powersteering Box 
3 1/2" Suspension Lift 
Rancho 9000 Shocks 
B.F. Goodrich 33x11.50 All-Terrain Tires 

I don't even drive it anymore and I still give it regular maintenance

Now THAT's cute!

[Rocksurfer]

...on the Rubicon:

[Rocksurfer]

My sorry ass busted on the Rubicon note my not smiling face standing behind those clowns:

[blackdiamond]

Wasn't this thread trying to prove or disprove that Jeeps break on the trail?   

As for comparing Toys and Jeeps (similar mods) on the trials, I would start with Dump Bump in Moab because most Toys climb it fairly easily (wheelbase) and watch the Jeeps, that are brave enough to try it in a short wheelbase, break or roll.  I know Jeeps make it up and I'm IMPRESSED when they do!  I would head to Double Wammy second...it is nice getting to pick the track  I'm sure that there are places that the Jeeps do better, but I suspect not as many.

[Geno]

Are we tallking stock rigs or what?  I have been around Jeeps most my life, my family has always had them.  I was the first one to actually get a Toyota.  I love the Toyota but I am getting a Jeep.  I have been around many built and very capable Jeeps that were well maintained and did not break every trip out.

You can build any rig to be badass, including Jeeps.

[*FFC*]

You can build any rig to be badass, including Jeeps.

[blackdiamond]

http://www.mhjcontherocks.com/Community/Moab4x4Trails/831.aspx

Check out the link above.  There are some great pictures of Moab, Colorado and Rubicon.  You will note that on the Moab Cliff Hanger trail only one of the Jeeps made it up the cliff obstacal without assistance...I drove it in my 85 truck with only 32 inch BFG tire and a 3.5 Pro Comp lift 

Honestly, the guys on this sites don't seem to be the mostagressive wheelers on the planet, I think that their Jeeps might be able to handle more than the owners.

[Rocksurfer]

Wasn't this thread trying to prove or disprove that Jeeps break on the trail?   

As for comparing Toys and Jeeps (similar mods) on the trials, I would start with Dump Bump in Moab because most Toys climb it fairly easily (wheelbase) and watch the Jeeps, that are brave enough to try it in a short wheelbase, break or roll.  I know Jeeps make it up and I'm IMPRESSED when they do!  I would head to Double Wammy second...it is nice getting to pick the track  I'm sure that there are places that the Jeeps do better, but I suspect not as many.

Isn't that what I was showing? I showed all the pretty pics of my jeep and except for 1 picture it was broke, getting worked on or being towed off the trail by a Toyota.

[Rocksurfer]

Now calm down don't let him over-inflate your head.

[blackdiamond]

Isn't that what I was showing? I showed all the pretty pics of my jeep and except for 1 picture it was broke, getting worked on or being towed off the trail by a Toyota.

They were sweet pictures and a sweet Jeep.  I was only pointing out that posting pictures of a broken Jeep hurt your case.  Thanks for the honesty.

I have no doubt that my truck with break at some point, but so far I have a perfect record with 3 week long trips to Moab, several summers in Colorado and various trips in Washington.  In five years I have only replaced the radiator, two u-joints and bent the tie rod once.  The clock is ticking

[*FFC*]

Now calm down don't let him over-inflate your head.

No chance of that

From my observations, it takes a lot more $$ to build a Jeep than a Yota, but either way, if you build a rig right it will wheel like crazy, some just require more good ol' American Greenbacks than others

[blackdiamond]

You can build any rig to be badass, including Jeeps.

I actually think that Jeep Cherokees that are well built are probably the sweetest looking trucks on the trails.  I drove one last weekend because the owner couldn't quit mashing the gas and the truck was begging to climb the rocks.

[blackdiamond]

No chance of that

From my observations, it takes a lot more $$ to build a Jeep than a Yota, but either way, if you build a rig right it will wheel like crazy, some just require more good ol' American Greenbacks than others

I would agree with FCC on the money issue, but I have also noted that there are way more thrashed Toys on the trail than Jeeps...maybe Jeep owners take more pride in the trucks?  How often do you see a Cherokee get dented and cut until it is a buggy?  My truck isn't as clean as I would like, but I still try to keep it damage free.

[Rocksurfer]

They were sweet pictures and a sweet Jeep.  I was only pointing out that posting pictures of a broken Jeep hurt your case.  Thanks for the honesty.

I have no doubt that my truck with break at some point, but so far I have a perfect record with 3 week long trips to Moab, several summers in Colorado and various trips in Washington.  In five years I have only replaced the radiator, two u-joints and bent the tie rod once.  The clock is ticking

I am not trying to defend my jeep as being better than a Toyota, in fact I am saying that from personal experience that a Toyota is better than a Jeep and is why my Jeep sits at home while I wheel my Toyota becuase I am secure that I will be driving my Toy home instead of gettin towed home by a friend in my Jeep.

[blackdiamond]

I am not trying to defend my jeep as being better than a Toyota, in fact I am saying that from personal experience that a Toyota is better than a Jeep and is why my Jeep sits at home while I wheel my Toyota becuase I am secure that I will be driving my Toy home instead of gettin towed home by a friend in my Jeep.

I may have gotten you mixed up with lowgeared...sorry

[Rocksurfer]

I would agree with FCC on the money issue, but I have also noted that there are way more thrashed Toys on the trail than Jeeps...maybe Jeep owners take more pride in the trucks?  How often do you see a Cherokee get dented and cut until it is a buggy?  My truck isn't as clean as I would like, but I still try to keep it damage free.

You can't really cut up a Cherokee, they don't have a frame. Though at TDS last year I did have a few Cherokee's camped next to us and they had cut the tops off and had no doors, but they had strengthend the unibody or they would basically colapse on themselves. I think the reason some of these guys end up cutting up thier Toy's is because they can, plus they're nuts.

[*FFC*]

You can't really cut up a Cherokee, they don't have a frame. Though at TDS last year I did have a few Cherokee's camped next to us and they had cut the tops off and had no doors, but they had strengthend the unibody or they would basically colapse on themselves. I think the reason some of these guys end up cutting up thier Toy's is because they can, plus they're nuts.

Heheee my XJ got cut up just fine    My ex is pretty durn good at cuttin up vehicles... however, it's pretty phawked up as far as ya can't drive in rain cuz the water comes in thru the wheel wells now

Toys have a longer wheelbase which would assist in the rock damage right?  Not bein able to make as wide of turns consisting of falling on a rock or tryin a 3 point turn and mashin into something But as stated before, the longer wheelbase pays off