Author Topic: a little space sciene and what not (Read 7230 times)

Doof · « **on:** Jul 06, 2007, 01:02:10 PM »

with so much space out there if you really think about it, how is it possible that we are the only ones to be living? there are billions of galaxys out there and countless solar systems, with all those what are the odds we are alone?

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #1 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 01:05:11 PM »

Do I believe in other life forms?
Like do I believe in god?

Don't believe in god...am bout 90% that there is life outside of this solar system and maybe within the solar system other thanon Earth in the past.

BigMike · « **Reply #2 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 01:23:07 PM »

If you believe the Bible, then yes.

There are plenty of aliens mentioned in the Bible

Doof · « **Reply #3 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 01:43:32 PM »

never been to church a day in my life and dont know much of anything about the good book...i hear its pretty good though

BigMike · « **Reply #4 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 02:45:47 PM »

That's cool

It's sometimes really difficult to understand certain aspects of the Bible, and I've learned that its really important to just study it on your own by yourself at first. If God really does exist, then he would want you to learn about him and he will reveal himself to you. All you need to do is just get serious about knowing Him.

It's like if we wanted to become best friends, then I would want you to learn as much about me as possible, so it would be in my best interest to share my life and experiences with you.

The Bible says that God limited sin to Earth/Humans, and that Earth is a theater for the rest of the worlds and nations in the Universe to view upon. This way other life forms (Angels) can understand how wicked and awful life can be with sin. I have the texts on this at home, I will try to remember to reply with the sources here later tonight.

Doof · « **Reply #5 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 03:27:35 PM »

thats really interesting, me and my friends have deep converstaions and that was one of the things we came up with was that if there was a god he just put people here to entertain himself and people would do whatever they wanted, and he just watches and is the ultimate observer and sometimes helps out with signs just to keep people on their toes so things dont get old and boring

Doof · « **Reply #6 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 05:13:30 PM »

if anybody knows anything about black holes...whats your opinion about what happens to the matter they suck in?

my idea is that all the light it traps comes out in a parrallel universe as a nebula (a place where stars are born), since light goes in but cant escape

lilbuddy · « **Reply #7 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 05:16:37 PM »

Damnit AJ. I dont think ive gone anywhere with you that some sort of conversation like this comes up.

OH by the way on Discovery, i think yesterday, they had evolution of man and I laughed and thought of the conversation at my cabin

DTB · « **Reply #8 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 05:23:14 PM »

ive always wondered...when people ask "what's up?"....is this even a valid question?

because if the universe is infinite then technically there is no "up"..

weird huh?

BigMike · « **Reply #9 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 05:35:46 PM »

If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.

BigMike · « **Reply #10 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 05:37:44 PM »

Quote from: vegastrx2133 on Jul 06, 2007, 03:27:35 PM

thats really interesting, me and my friends have deep converstaions and that was one of the things we came up with was that if there was a god he just put people here to entertain himself and people would do whatever they wanted, and he just watches and is the ultimate observer and sometimes helps out with signs just to keep people on their toes so things dont get old and boring

According to the Bible, this is certainly NOT what is happening.

BigMike · « **Reply #11 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 05:40:30 PM »

Quote from: vegastrx2133 on Jul 06, 2007, 05:13:30 PM

my idea is that all the light it traps comes out in a parrallel universe as a nebula (a place where stars are born), since light goes in but cant escape

Remember that the mass entering the black hole must be conserved.

Doof · « **Reply #12 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 05:59:46 PM »

lol lil buddy i just laughed out loud for a few minutes

mike: it may be preserved but since no light can escape and no radio waves or anything of the sort can escape there is no way to really tell what happens. since the gravity is at least 5x the pull of outr own sun. and if we on planet earth were to send something in and expect a result would be a waste of money due to spaghettification

i was thinking that if there was a way to send a video camera into one and get the feed back what we would actually see would prob be something that nobody could ever imagine and in seeing it, it would be so unrealistic and the scientific community would deny it and say its just a photoshoped pic and cause conroversy

but who knows whats actually in there and out there

Doof · « **Reply #13 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 06:01:16 PM »

if you want to see a movie that is weird, watch "What the Bleep do we know" its crazy and some of the stuff makes sense and some if just whack, but its good none the less

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #14 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 08:58:01 PM »

I am another life-form.

kneedownnate · « **Reply #15 on:** Jul 06, 2007, 10:22:00 PM »

I don't necessarily believe in aliens but find it hard to believe that we're all that exist. That said I've long said where we may be mistaken is in assuming we'll find other life forms similar in size and appearance to ourselves. Who's to say it'll be in a form we can even recognize?

I'll go with aj on the god subject. I don't believe in god as do religious people. I find it hard to believe that one religion is right over another and in reality find that thought utterly ignorant. I'm not closed to the thought of there being something bigger but nobody can possibly peg it down. Faith is faith and nothing more.

This is actually more than I typically discuss the subject and probably more than I should

Lady Di · « **Reply #16 on:** Jul 07, 2007, 08:53:08 AM »

I believe everything on this planet is descended from aliens dna.

te51levin · « **Reply #17 on:** Jul 07, 2007, 01:01:00 PM »

Quote from: vegastrx2133 on Jul 06, 2007, 05:59:46 PM

...a waste of money due to spaghettification

I knew it! Flying Spaghetti Monster FTW.

http://www.venganza.org/ and ye shall see the light, the glory, and the rich tomato sauce of truth, why not.

Lady Di · « **Reply #18 on:** Jul 07, 2007, 01:15:54 PM »

FLYING SPAGETTI MONSTER ROCKS!!

pastifarians!

Doof · « **Reply #19 on:** Jul 07, 2007, 02:36:23 PM »

Quote from: kneedownnate on Jul 06, 2007, 10:22:00 PM

...I find it hard to believe that one religion is right over another and in reality find that thought utterly ignorant. I'm not closed to the thought of there being something bigger but nobody can possibly peg it down. Faith is faith and nothing more.

well put

Quote from: Dirt Toy Boy on Jul 06, 2007, 05:23:14 PM

ive always wondered...when people ask "what's up?"....is this even a valid question?

because if the universe is infinite then technically there is no "up"..

weird huh?

my science teacher said something almost like this, but it was "never ask an astronomer whats up"

Shamb · « **Reply #20 on:** Jul 08, 2007, 10:23:45 AM »

can't recall the specific theory... but it consisted of a simple equation of how likely it would be for other planets out there that can hold other life forms.... the numbers where in the millions or billions!

I want to say it was Wheelers oscillating universe theory... but I could be wrong. This is going to bug me now, I must do some googling!

Lady Di · « **Reply #21 on:** Jul 08, 2007, 10:47:31 AM »

Quote from: Shamb on Jul 08, 2007, 10:23:45 AM

can't recall the specific theory... but it consisted of a simple equation of how likely it would be for other planets out there that can hold other life forms.... the numbers where in the millions or billions!

I want to say it was Wheelers oscillating universe theory... but I could be wrong. This is going to bug me now, I must do some googling!

So what if it was millions of billions, how large is the universe? Infinite? It is not feasible that we could be the only life forms.

Doof · « **Reply #22 on:** Jul 08, 2007, 11:45:09 AM »

Quote from: MrsWillyMammoth on Jul 08, 2007, 10:47:31 AM

... It is not feasible that we could be the only life forms.

me and my dad were talking about this subject not to long ago and he told me "well just the other day i was watching a television program and some scientist came on the screen and spit out a whole bunch of equations at me and came up with some stink of a number and that number was how many possible planets out there could be survivable like the one we live on"

my dad is old and funny sometimes....but if this were true could it mean parrelle universes? nodoby knows but anythin can be possible when it comes to space and other galaxys

BigMike · « **Reply #23 on:** Jul 08, 2007, 11:55:54 AM »

Quote from: kneedownnate on Jul 06, 2007, 10:22:00 PM

I find it hard to believe that one religion is right over another and in reality find that thought utterly ignorant.

Quote from: vegastrx2133 on Jul 07, 2007, 02:36:23 PM

well put

I would say that there might not be one "religion", but there most certainly is one absolute BELIEF.

Without digging deep, I'll just mention a couple reasons for this:

In the book of Revelation, John speaks of one singular group of people who stronghold their faith and beliefs in the end time, regardless of what is happening around them, and will be the only group of people still alive who will be saved at the 2nd coming of Christ. (Rev. 12:17)

In the book of Acts, Luke mentions time and time again that the believers were together and had all things in common (2:44), the believers were of one heart and soul (4:32), and the believers were of one accord (2:1).

Of course there are countless stories in the old testament of great feats when Gods children were of one accord, and horrible defeats and entire cities lost when His children were not all on the same page. Needless to say, all secular history books have records of these same events that took place in the Bible.

BigMike · « **Reply #24 on:** Jul 08, 2007, 12:11:23 PM »

Quote from: MrsWillyMammoth on Jul 07, 2007, 08:53:08 AM

I believe everything on this planet is descended from aliens dna.

I believe that only the Mammoths were descended from alien dna, and I'm not talking about the extinct Mammoths.

Quote from: vegastrx2133 on Jul 06, 2007, 05:59:46 PM

i was thinking that if there was a way to send a video camera into one and get the feed back what we would actually see would prob be something that nobody could ever imagine and in seeing it, it would be so unrealistic and the scientific community would deny it and say its just a photoshoped pic and cause conroversy

It all depends if the video camera could remain outside of the event horizon. Otherwise the camera would be drawn inexorably toward the singularity at the center of the black hole. Past this point, any signal sent away from the black hole would be like a kid running up a super fast down escalator. Even though the signal is being sent away from the black hole, it is being drawn backward even faster.

I think I watched about the first 20 mins of that video mentioned above. It really didn't keep me interested.

Instead, I HIGHLY recommend you to go rent and read the book TIME TRAVEL IN EINSTEIN'S UNIVERSE by J. Richard Gott. It really knocked my socks off and I learned that many things I had been "taught" were way off from the norm beliefs regarding space and space time. I am NOT a book worm, but this book is well written and easy to read and kept me so motivated to read it that I ended up reading it three times last summer.

Lady Di · « **Reply #25 on:** Jul 08, 2007, 12:29:38 PM »

Quote from: BigMike on Jul 08, 2007, 12:11:23 PM

I believe that only the Mammoths were descended from alien dna, and I'm not talking about the extinct Mammoths.

Mark - definetly

46&2 · « **Reply #26 on:** Jul 08, 2007, 01:42:42 PM »

Well I myself strongly believe that there is indeed life out there. Near Earth? Probably not. I just look around Earth itself and it seems like even in the most inhospitable environments, life finds a way. It is along this train of thought that it only makes sense that there are other inhabitted planets out there. Of course the chances for everything to fall into place to allow life to form is quite slim. With an infinite amount of space (wrap your mind around INFINITE) in the universe even the smallest possibility of life forming becomes quite large in respect to the sheer amount of space there is. Alien life could consist of anything. We tend to think of the typical alien as human like, with saucer shapeships. But in reality there could be plenty of more elements and environments beyond our own comprehension. Humans are smart but I dont think that we could ever accuratly percieve what these creatures will look like, be made of, what dimension they will live in ect. The whole life in space debate brings a lot of abstract ideas into play. Here is another one. Many things have been proved to survive in the vaccum of space. Certain mushroom spores for example, bacteria, viruses and other forms of fungi. It would not be too far fetched in my opinion, for some of these tiny life forms to hitch a ride. How they would go about doing that is open to interpretation. On our own space stations they find tons of bacteria and fungi that have just come along for the journey. Here are two interesting articles about life in space:

http://space.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8297

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/news/2001/news-stationmicrobes.asp

As for the religious debate, I am not a religious man. Looking back at some ancient civilzations, their beliefs and some of the writings, depictions, artwork ect, it would not be too outrageous (in my crazy mind anyhow) for God to be an alien. He may or may not exist, but did anyone ever see the Simpsons episode where Lisa accidently creates a miniature universe in a petri dish? Perhaps, much like our own quest for knowledge, an alien race decided to impregnant our planet with life. An experiment perhaps, or even an accident. Over the course of time they either dissapeared, died out, or remained to influence small things here and there. I saw a show on the discovery channel once about deciphering ancient cave artwork. They showed artwork in a cave that dated back thousands of years and the drawing showed people and animals below massive objects in the sky. What this meant again, we will proably never know (maybe they just sucked at drawing the moon and sun). It is something to think about anyway. I know you hardcore religious folks might take offense at that, hopefuly not. I have always been one to end up with the wildest ideas about stuff. I do not like to limit my mind to the "norm". Am I the only one crazy enough to think God is an alien? Probably....

BigMike · « **Reply #27 on:** Jul 08, 2007, 02:40:43 PM »

Quote from: fortysixandtwo on Jul 08, 2007, 01:42:42 PM

Am I the only one crazy enough to think God is an alien? Probably....

Alien: An extraterrestrial being, a form of life assumed to exist outside the Earth or its atmosphere.

By this definition, God and all of the Heavenly Hosts are all aliens

46&2 · « **Reply #28 on:** Jul 08, 2007, 03:38:18 PM »

Right, hehe. I guess Im not so crazy after all

Btw I am going to drop by the local book store before they close and see if i cant find Time Travel in Einstein's Universe. Sounds like a good read. Thanks for the recommendation.

BigMike · « **Reply #29 on:** Jul 08, 2007, 04:29:22 PM »

Yea man, that book is awesome.

Check out a preview of it here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0618257357/ref=sib_dp_pt/105-0940775-7527629#reader-link

# ISBN-10: 0618257357
# ISBN-13: 978-0618257355


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