1KZ-te install DONE!!!

[helipilot77]

After 2 years of wrenching, welding, and wiring work she is finally done and on the road. I knew the deisel engine would be sweet but it's even better than I thought it would be. Plenty of power in any gear. just pick one that is convenient and the gobs of torque will pull. Now that I have all that power I don't really need the ultra low 1st gear in the R-151f. In fact at 70 MPH I am wishing for a taller 5th gear to bring the RPM's down a little. right now I have 4.30's in the diffs so I guess my only option is to go with 4.11's. I'm sure some taller shoes would help too.

[HogCanyonHopper]

 

[helipilot77]

Sorry I had to get my 11 posts. Now I can get some pics up. So I have been driving it daily for about 4 months now and everything works. Cruise control, Air conditioning, Tachometer, Warning lights. just a couple of small bugs to figure out. but I am real happy with how it has turned out.

[helipilot77]

a few more pics. I custom made my own 3" dump pipe to complement the 3" SS exhaust I built.

[toe]

 


Nice!

[bleakhorizon]

cool engine... but my real question is.... what do yea got going on with that front driveline....

[helipilot77]

Thanks. The driveline is trailgears long spline shaft. I would have bought one from marlin but it was out of stock when I needed it.

[tgmaul88]

dude now you have the 4 cylinder turbo diesel thats my dream!!!!!  how is it?

[helipilot77]

It is AMAZING!!!! I am constantly looking for little errands to run, just to drive it. The torque is quite impressive. Economy is 22 hwy but will likely improve with taller gears and tires.

I just saw your signature. Bobby must have lost his battle with cancer. He will certainly be missed by the toyota community.

[ToyotaSmith49]

That is sweet!! What does the 1KZ-the come? Is that an engine you have to get from a different country? I was looking into the Cummins 4bt.

[kneedownnate]

Mostly pickups and 4runners overseas

[helipilot77]

It was imported from Japan as a front clip in a Prado which is the same as a 4runner. I wondered about a 4BT before I did my 1KZ-te but I read that they are loud rattle machines that get poor mileage. The cummins don't have the fit and finish of the 1KZ-te they also don't have the wiring difficulty. But I was willing to do the wiring for a better install. Now that it is done I have no regrets.

[BigMike]

This thread is BigMike approved. Looks great!!

[helipilot77]

Sweet! Thanks big mike!

[HogCanyonHopper]

hows it going? 

[helipilot77]

Great! Still lovin the diesel motor. This weekend I'll be installing my old-man-emu springs and u-bolt flip kits. My front winch bumper is about half way done. I am also about 3/4 done with a drawer system for the back. I think it will really add to the utility of the truck and keep things from rattling arround in the back. I'll post some more pictures when each of the projects are done.

[4Rescue79]

Hello, Long time watcher new poster. 

SO, I've got a 1KZ-TE that I'm going to pick up here in the next few weeks and I'm still on the fence about putting it into my 1st gen (89 22RE 5spd) or into the 2nd Gen (3vz/Auto) "project" truck that it's coming with (I know, how hard is life when you ahve to choose between two great Toyotas right).

My biggest concern is getting a MANUAL tranny behind it???   I know Marlins the man to ask about tranny's, but how did do it???  Also do you have a build thread or any kind of process you went through???  I was fortunate enough to live in Australia for several years so I'm a HUGE Toyota fan and more over a HUGE Diesel fan... This is to be a sort of "lifer" truck for me but I'm not willing to live with an Auto-box.  The motor has an Auto-wiring harness and it's my understanding I can use an auto-loom with a manual with some modifications/tricks, (but not he other way round).

basically I stumbled upon this motor/truck after having given up my hopes of ever bringing my 1KZ-T dreams to life and now I'm trying to focus and figure out my plan of attack... Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers and No Worries

Dave

[helipilot77]

Thanks for the interest in my truck. I will do whatever I can to help another first gen 4runner get a 1kz-te. My engine was in the form of a half cut and was attached to an auto tranny. Using a manual with an auto tranny ECU and harness is simple. You will just use the clutch start circuit in place of the neutral start circuit. I also had the same transmission in my 4runnerbut opted to upgrade to the R series transmission. These 1kz-te engines came from the factory with a R151-f which over here in the states was only available in 1986-87 pickups that had the 22-rte turbo motor. They are becoming harder to find but they are still out there. I have heard that you can use an R 150 which are quite easy to find, but you would have to change the input shaft to a R151f input shaft. If there are any parts you need I recommend ordering them from www.japan4x4.com shipping is quick but they only accept Paypal. Just look up the part number on www.toyodiy.com then email them if it is still available they can get it. I bought my bellhousing and clutch components including the hydraulics from them. Unfourtunately I don't have a build thread. I used a lot of the informaution on toyotadeisel.com. Feel free to ask any questions you may have. Good luck!

[4Rescue79]

Awesome, thank you very much, that answers some VERY important questions for me and the link to the parts supplier is a huge help.  I had apparently mis-read (or maybe the other people were using a different tranny) that the trannys available in the US had the Starter on the wrong side and that "only" foreign sourced manuals/bell-housings would have the correct placement but knowing I can run a US sourced R-150 is great.  As long as I can get a manual behind it I'm VERY happy. 

- One question I forgot to ask before:  How did you deal with the instrument cluster???  Is there anything about it being from an RHD vehicle that makes it different to put in our trucks???  Or is it a common cluster that's just placed on different sides of the trucks.  I seem to want to remember that some of our Hiluxes in Australia had "reversed" clusters, but I may just be inventing that in my own head because I'm going crazy trying to sus out this project in my head seeing as I don't have the engine here to toy around with... VERY frustrating, I'm a "hands on" kind of learner aye

I have to go up to Seattle for the motor and I'm NOT quite sure how it's set in terms of "travvel prep" right now but I'm hoping to "break ground" so to speak here in the next wo weeks... The worst part is my sheer "giddiness" over how awesome this trucks going to be once I get the swap done.  I'm also getting it with a very clean 2nd gen w/the 3VZ already yanked so I'm REALLY torn between wanting the extra 2 doors for the wife and I to have easier access when we sleep in the back, but then I LOVE my 1st Gen and I have a 2nd cab I was going to turn into  Flip-pac inspired camper shell as I do a lot of back-country exploring and rafting out of this truck (make sit REAL easy to get over those early season "closed" pass roads).  1st Gens are just such an "iconic" rig (2nd gen's are awesome too, but they're not as "distinct" as a 1st gen) and I just get a site n my face every time I take off for the day driving mine plus it's got a lot of stories and memories for me aye...

OOp, I'm rambling, anyway, thank you SO much for the help and the offer for advice in the future, I really appreciate the help and will certainly be asking more questions. 

Cheers

[Wainiha]

Don't change gears, just get bigger tires like you said.

Love that red interior too.

[helipilot77]

Don't change gears, just get bigger tires like you said.

Love that red interior too.

I will increase the tire size to 35" or 36", but even after the increase I will still need taller gears I used the tire/gear calculator which I have posted on this site. Acording to my calculations I will need 4.10 gears. I currently have 4.30's.
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=93052.msg1044468#msg1044468
Thanks for the comments. I don't think there are a whole lot of 4runners with this color interior. Some dislike it but I am a fan.

Awesome, thank you very much, that answers some VERY important questions for me and the link to the parts supplier is a huge help.  I had apparently mis-read (or maybe the other people were using a different tranny) that the trannys available in the US had the Starter on the wrong side and that "only" foreign sourced manuals/bell-housings would have the correct placement but knowing I can run a US sourced R-150 is great.  As long as I can get a manual behind it I'm VERY happy. 

- One question I forgot to ask before:  How did you deal with the instrument cluster???  Is there anything about it being from an RHD vehicle that makes it different to put in our trucks???  Or is it a common cluster that's just placed on different sides of the trucks.  I seem to want to remember that some of our Hiluxes in Australia had "reversed" clusters, but I may just be inventing that in my own head because I'm going crazy trying to sus out this project in my head seeing as I don't have the engine here to toy around with... VERY frustrating, I'm a "hands on" kind of learner aye

I have to go up to Seattle for the motor and I'm NOT quite sure how it's set in terms of "travvel prep" right now but I'm hoping to "break ground" so to speak here in the next wo weeks... The worst part is my sheer "giddiness" over how awesome this trucks going to be once I get the swap done.  I'm also getting it with a very clean 2nd gen w/the 3VZ already yanked so I'm REALLY torn between wanting the extra 2 doors for the wife and I to have easier access when we sleep in the back, but then I LOVE my 1st Gen and I have a 2nd cab I was going to turn into  Flip-pac inspired camper shell as I do a lot of back-country exploring and rafting out of this truck (make sit REAL easy to get over those early season "closed" pass roads).  1st Gens are just such an "iconic" rig (2nd gen's are awesome too, but they're not as "distinct" as a 1st gen) and I just get a site n my face every time I take off for the day driving mine plus it's got a lot of stories and memories for me aye...

OOp, I'm rambling, anyway, thank you SO much for the help and the offer for advice in the future, I really appreciate the help and will certainly be asking more questions. 

Cheers

I guess I didn't actually answer your question. I did use a US sourced R-151f transmission and after ordering a "brand new in the toyota box" bellhousing I bolted it right up to the motor. The starter is on the left side of the motor as opposed to the right side of the motor on US gasoline motors, but with the correct bellhousing it is no problem.
With the dash cluster the only part that was difficult was making the tach work properly. I bought a Dakota digital SGI-8 tach signal converter. I'm not very happy with it once RPM gets above 3000 it cuts out. But I didn't have any choice. If you install the motor in a second gen. you can just bolt up the dash cluster from the donor vehicle. I will bolt right in. The diesel tach will eliminate the need for a tach signal converter. If you go this route you will need to also use the diesel A/C controller because it uses the diesel tach signal. I have my altered tach signal going to my original A/C controller.
When I went to pick up my half-cut I rented a u-haul flat bed. They have fork lift that they can use to load it for you. Another tip use chains to tie it down. I used ratchet straps which were completely cut through when I got it home. It was just balancing on the trailer. To get mine off the trailer I chained up the half-cut, then drove out from underneath it. Worked great! If you are getting an engine only you probably won't need a trailer but take some wooden blocks to wedge underneath the oil pan and motor mounts. Good luck! PM me for my phone number so you can maybe stop by and see mine when you are in Seattle.

[4Rescue79]

Thanks mate, I'm going to be up on the 19th to pick it up (I've got a car trailer, and I completely agree about chains -vs- rachet straps... Hauling our Kubotas around taught me this one REAL quickly years ago aye) so I'll be bugging you more then you'll probably want aye HAHAHAHA.   Once I get her down here and snap some pics I'll start my own build thread so I can stop clogging up yours with my bantering       I'll shoot you a PM and if it works out I'd love to come see your truck mate.  Be warned though, I'll probably drool all over it and I might cry a bit realizing that I'm potentially gonna have to sell my 1st gen to build this truck  .  Still not sure how I'm gonna bring myself to part with her... Not only is it a truck I truly LOVE to drive every day (minus the lack of power and the mileage I've been getting lately) but, well it's a 1st Gen 4Runner, and they might just be one of the coolest looking trucks ever made IMO. 

Thank's so much for the info so far also (you told me EXACTLY what I needed to know and you've cleared up a few misconceptions I've had too), I've sourced my R150 I believe and I'm waiting to hear from the seller cause he may have already bought the bell-housing and F.Wheel for the Manual conversion.  If that's the case it'll save me some time having it shopped (and some cash too) so that'd be nice, but with my luck I'm not holding my breath.  I've had a few people tell me "just put the Auto in it... you'll like it better, manuas are terrible in 4wds" but then I don't think they understand how much I like Manuals.  I find them to be SO much better for driving in bad/slick  road conditions (we live in the PNW, that's nearly every days so...) where I know exactly what my motor/tranny is going to do and with the torque this diesel is gonna put out compared to my 22RE, and considering it's not a FS pickup with the associated WB it brings, I'd like to not have those "sudden power on drift" moments that I have experienced WAY too much in trucks like our XJ where you go around a corner and the tranny decides it wants to kick down and suddenly "WOW, I'm sliding sideways!!!!"...   I like driving sideways as much as the next guy but only when I WANT to aye 

Cheers and thanks for the help thus far mate

Dave

[4Rescue79]

Sent you a couple PM's mate...

Cheers

Dave

[spudtheman]

Thanks for the interest in my truck. I will do whatever I can to help another first gen 4runner get a 1kz-te. My engine was in the form of a half cut and was attached to an auto tranny. Using a manual with an auto tranny ECU and harness is simple. You will just use the clutch start circuit in place of the neutral start circuit. I also had the same transmission in my 4runnerbut opted to upgrade to the R series transmission. These 1kz-te engines came from the factory with a R151-f which over here in the states was only available in 1986-87 pickups that had the 22-rte turbo motor. They are becoming harder to find but they are still out there. I have heard that you can use an R 150 which are quite easy to find, but you would have to change the input shaft to a R151f input shaft. If there are any parts you need I recommend ordering them from www.japan4x4.com shipping is quick but they only accept Paypal. Just look up the part number on www.toyodiy.com then email them if it is still available they can get it. I bought my bellhousing and clutch components including the hydraulics from them. Unfourtunately I don't have a build thread. I used a lot of the informaution on toyotadeisel.com. Feel free to ask any questions you may have. Good luck!

I know this thread is old but why would you need to change the input shaft on the r150f ? wouldn't a diesel bell housing and clutch components be all you need to change on the r150f? 

[helipilot77]

I know this thread is old but why would you need to change the input shaft on the r150f ? wouldn't a diesel bell housing and clutch components be all you need to change on the r150f?

The 1KZ-te came from the factory with the R-151f transmission which has a longer input shaft than the R-150f does. Without the longer input, the shaft will not be long enough to capture the pilot bearing. In the US the R-151f transmission was only available in the 1986 & 1987 pickup with the 22-rte turbo engine. The bellhousing and clutch kit will also be needed.

[spudtheman]

Oh that all makes sense. I'm looking into doing this conversion like you did, love a nice little diesel

So say if some one were to buy a 1kzte with an automatic could they use that bell housing on the automatic to adapt the manual tranny(r151f)?

Also if i understand correctly to get the automatic trans computer to work with a manual all you do is to complete the neutral safety switch? thats all?

[helipilot77]

Unfortunately the auto transmission bellhousing is useless. I think what I did on mine is turn the neutral safety circuit into the clutch cancel circuit. I had pretty much abandoned this thread. You might want to check out my other updated build thread.

http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=98969.0