IFS vs SOLID AXLE

[gonzo]

Hey Tom I will be E mailing you later this afternoon or evening.

I agree the SAS is the way to go.   I do believe it is the best all around set up to have.  If I do it though I want to do it right (meaning with the best available parts and equipment).  I would actually like to find a good axle housing and assemble it from scratch.

[MiniSimp]

http://www.diamondaxle.com/front_steering.htm

[gonzo]

http://www.diamondaxle.com/front_steering.htm

Yup, Yup You are right MiniSimp.  That's the best way to go.

[Skinny_Pedal]

I agree i see a munch of those and i get discusted! i hate all the people who ahve the big dodges and fords and all that jibberish.

i like the big dodges and fords. its obvious a truck of that size can't go afford so i say get the lift, rock the 20's and be a pimp. then u can say its your tow rig and your real toy is the shiznit 

son

[gonzo]

i like the big dodges and fords. its obvious a truck of that size can't go afford so i say get the lift, rock the 20's and be a pimp. then u can say its your tow rig and your real toy is the shiznit

son

[guywithuglyyota]

I dunno about you guys, I keep hearing IFS is better for the street. I really beg to differ with this, I just bought a 94 ifs truckj and it rides like crap compared to my 81 on 33's with bad shocks. Even my 81 handled better in turns, highway, bumps etc... maybe the gas shocks on the ifs truck are too stiff but I say solid axle is the only way to go.     

[unclejpl4x4]

http://www.diamondaxle.com/front_steering.htm

with that puppy  U could do 4 wheel steer  if they have a rear the same style


as far as IFS  I'm happy with mine   I do mostly street driving/ fire roads (lots of bumps) / sugar sand=beach sand

[m44offroad]

as far as on road driving the type of suspension is a matter of personal prefrence. personally i like driving a truck that rides like a truck instead of a car like most trucks on the road today. for offroad the solid front is really the only way to go.

[crawlerdan]

ive gone down both roads, i had a solid axle 85 that would flex like stupid and rode like an 8 foot tall caddy. but i have also managed to coax ass loads of travel out of a toy ifs front end while it still behaved quite nicley on road. as for all around trail-rig and daily driver. solid axles have a fraction of the moving parts and can be made to handle well fairly easily....so i vote monobeam!

[gonzo]

ive gone down both roads, i had a solid axle 85 that would flex like stupid and rode like an 8 foot tall caddy. but i have also managed to coax ass loads of travel out of a toy ifs front end while it still behaved quite nicley on road. as for all around trail-rig and daily driver. solid axles have a fraction of the moving parts and can be made to handle well fairly easily....so i vote monobeam!

Thanks crawlerdan this is the kind of information that is useful.   Everyone has been giving good input thanks.

[crawlerdan]

any time..any body have a solid toy axle layin around? i need another

[thestoic22]

SA is just more "bouncy" on the road, but you forget about that when you are off road!

[BigMike]

Just build an IFS Solid Axle

[gonzo]

Just build an IFS Solid Axle

Bad Day Mikey??

[crawlerdan]

ooooo, ford torque tube

[Rocksurfer]

IFS:

Pro: You'll never break a birfield
Con: You'll never 4wheel again since you'll always be on three wheels

Solid Axle:

Pro: Unlimited possibilities
Con: ...... I'm thinking.


Seriously I've run both just as hard as I could, never broke a solid axle and have only broke 1 IFS axle.

[BigMike]

Bad Day Mikey??

Nah, just compromising!

[79coyotefrg]

what mikey is talking about is a ifs axle built around a "cage"  that is "suspended"  from the center of the frame so articulation occurs

ok i need a

[Weldo]

the old banana axle.

[Rebeltilldeath3]

What's the cheapest that a SAS could be done if you have access to lathes, milling machines, band saws, etc. ?

[79coyotefrg]

What's the cheapest that a SAS could be done if you have access to lathes, milling machines, band saws, etc. ?

whatever the axle itself costs,  since you can make everything else


oh and springs 

[Skinny_Pedal]

this has been talked about many times. even if you have access to all the tools, you still need material, bolts, bushings, other misc crap. all that adds up. yes you do save some money from just buying a kit outright, but the kit is nice and you have everything you need. 

another to think about is when you do an sas, you gonna get lift. so your gonna want bigger rubber, that means gears, that means install(unless you can handle that), just more money.

really you dont want to do a kit on the CHEAP, just do it right and it will come out tons better

[Rebeltilldeath3]

this has been talked about many times. even if you have access to all the tools, you still need material, bolts, bushings, other misc crap. all that adds up. yes you do save some money from just buying a kit outright, but the kit is nice and you have everything you need.

another to think about is when you do an sas, you gonna get lift. so your gonna want bigger rubber, that means gears, that means install(unless you can handle that), just more money.

really you dont want to do a kit on the CHEAP, just do it right and it will come out tons better

I'm part owner of a chassis shop for drag racing, so material is not a problem at all.  Putting in gears won't be an issue, hell, I've had to rebuild my rear twice this year.

I'm actually REALLY considering linking my truck all the way around, it's not something you see all the time, link suspension is what my business is known for innovating.

It's just two totally different worlds building a full tube chassis car and trying to heavily modify a street vehicle.

[unclejpl4x4]

IFS:

Pro: You'll never break a birfield
Con: You'll never 4wheel again since you'll always be on three wheels

Solid Axle:

Pro: Unlimited possibilities
Con: ......  no desert racing

* giggles

[dirtyskivies]

I'm part owner of a chassis shop for drag racing, so material is not a problem at all.  Putting in gears won't be an issue, hell, I've had to rebuild my rear twice this year.

I'm actually REALLY considering linking my truck all the way around, it's not something you see all the time, link suspension is what my business is known for innovating.

It's just two totally different worlds building a full tube chassis car and trying to heavily modify a street vehicle.

have you built anything yet?

[86turboyota]

An IFS toyota pickup was my first truck and i love truck to death and it has gone some places with 31s IFS and open diffs that you wouldnt beleive.  However as soon as you lift a tire you stop moving.  I recently got my 86 4runner that is SASd with soft springs and compared to my truck has a far softer ride on the street.  However it certaintly doesnt corner too well compared to IFS  .   I love both trucks but man i have had a hell of a time keeping the IFS from eating my tires.  SA is the way to go unless you want super speed.

[79coyotefrg]

solid axle can handle speed  fairly well if lift is low, with good shocks

[gonzo]

solid axle can handle speed fairly well if lift is low, with good shocks

How low is low on the lift? 

[unclejpl4x4]

How low is low on the lift?

[ntsqd]

IFS:

Pro: You'll never break a birfield
Con: You'll never 4wheel again since you'll always be on three wheels

Solid Axle:

Pro: Unlimited possibilities
Con: ......  no desert racing

* giggles

Actually, there were two racing MDR last season. A first gen and a third. I'm guessing the thrid was a crawler first.