Topic: Woods Cop

[Stocker]

aka Your Tax Dollars At Work. Just my  , guys like this should never wear a badge or be in any position of authority.
http://www.redding.com/news/2010/feb/06/forest-service-cop-drives-miles-to-issue-about/?partner=popular

[kneedownnate]

Ridicurous    USFS cops are, in my opinion, a step above mall cops. 

CHICO - A U.S. Forest Service law enforcement officer made a miles-long journey off federal property this week to warn a Chico man not to post advertisements for his business on a Forest Service bulletin board.

He then detained him after the man allegedly slammed a door in the officer's face.

Forest Service officer Paul Zohovetz asked for Chico police backup Wednesday when the man he was contacting, identified as Jeff Newman, 53, reportedly slammed a door in his face and allegedly refused to come out of his residence.

Records show police had responded to the property before on a weapons brandishing complaint, but no arrest was made.

Officials said Newman had violated Forest Service rules by posting a flier on a bulletin board near Colby Mountain in Lassen National Forest, offering a cross-country ski tuneup service.

Newman eventually came out and was detained, but continued to be less than cooperative as he complained loudly about the allegedly aggressive way Zohovetz had approached him regarding the reason for his visit.

Newman is a painter by trade and told Zohovetz he was just trying to earn a little extra money to make ends meet.

Newman, reportedly a diabetic, began to shake and convulse, then tried to pull away from Zohovetz and a Chico officer, who were forced to put him on the ground.

An insulin kit was brought to him by a friend, which Newman administered, but he remained combative.

Zohovetz, who had earlier threatened to arrest Newman, decided to issue him a citation.

He said the man would have to appear in either Chester or Redding to answer the charge.

Zohovetz' supervisor, Capt. Mike Zunino, said he couldn't comment on why the officer issued a warning to Newman in person.

The 1,875-square-mile Lassen National Forest encompasses seven counties including Lassen, Shasta, Tehama, Butte, Plumas, Siskiyou and Modoc.

[abnormaltoy]

Frequently I make the comparison of non-military government employees to Apple Sauce.




They don't use the best apples in the jar...and our best and brightest don't work for the county.

[wifesaysimadumbass]

what a douchebag someone take this guys badge

[bleakhorizon]

seems to me this guy might have spent more time looking for a pair of shades that matched his uniform then actually getting trained to do his job....  what a a hole 

[BLACKDOG]

Frequently I make the comparison of non-military government employees to Apple Sauce.




They don't use the best apples in the jar...and our best and brightest don't work for the county.

hey!  I resemble that remark! 

[axled89]

seems to me this guy might have spent more time looking for a pair of shades that matched his uniform then actually getting trained to do his job....  what a a hole 

lol haha ha ha!

[Toymin8r]

Actually Forest Service Officers, Park Rangers, Game Wardens, etc have more power than police officers.   They can search and seize without probable cause or a warrant if you are on state/governemt land.   Now going to a guys home I'm not so sure about.  

[*FFC*]

Even the officer's supervisor didn't know why he went out of his way to issue a warning in person. WTF?

[86bobbedtoy]

just another great example of
a true jacka$s,
and a major power trip,
huge lack of respect for his own badge,
no common sense,
he really needs to have a reality check,
he apparently has no clue how the rear world turns,
just the one he has made in his head.

we the people dont need people like him with a power trip, trying to take full control

[abnormaltoy]

hey!  I resemble that remark! 

I knew I'd get busted! But, I couldn't make my exception list too long or the impact of the whole thing would've been lost. 

[BLACKDOG]

I knew I'd get busted! But, I couldn't make my exception list too long or the impact of the whole thing would've been lost. 

Just giving you  



Sadly, it does seem that excellence, or even competence is no longer the norm, but rather the exception. 

[86bobbedtoy]

" Ill be back"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqdxy43ctaA

[kneedownnate]

Actually Forest Service Officers, Park Rangers, Game Wardens, etc have more power than police officers.   

Federal officers    Cracks me up when I hear people gripe about how they were pulled over by a glorified mall cop, ie park ranger, for drunk driving or speeding.  USUALLY takes a lot more for them to pull you over, but like you said, they have the ability to do so. 

[Stocker [OP]]

Federal officers    Cracks me up when I hear people gripe about how they were pulled over by a glorified mall cop, ie park ranger, for drunk driving or speeding.  USUALLY takes a lot more for them to pull you over, but like you said, they have the ability to do so. 

Not many years ago, Whiskeytown Park Rangers got radar guns and were happily nailing folks on highway 299. That should be CHP responsibility only.

It's BS for Rangers to be enforcing traffic laws (except in extreme circumstances) on a state highway anyway, even if the road does go through their park territory. Let the CHP do their job, and keep the mall cops Rangers in the body of the park where they belong. If they don't have enough work to do there, save some tax dollars by laying some of them off. 

[abnormaltoy]

Actually Forest Service Officers, Park Rangers, Game Wardens, etc have more power than police officers.   They can search and seize without probable cause or a warrant if you are on state/governemt land.   Now going to a guys home I'm not so sure about.  

Can you provide documentation?

I just don't see the Constitution being discarded just because something occurred on "Federal" land. Besides...who is the Federal government? Something like We the People comes to mind. I can see certain limitations on a military base...but, in a park!

[*FFC*]

Can you provide documentation?

I just don't see the Constitution being discarded just because something occurred on "Federal" land. Besides...who is the Federal government? Something like We the People comes to mind. I can see certain limitations on a military base...but, in a park!

How 'bout first hand experience?

My ex took my truck to the lake to go fishing. The ranger caught him fishing with MY license and he claimed to have mixed them up and his was at home. The ranger then proceeded to search my truck, claiming she thought his story was suspicious. She actually called ME because my name was on the registration, and asked me if I'd lent him my truck.

I can see maybe she thought the truck was stolen... but still.. I told her yes it was mine and yes he had permission... and she still searched the truck.

[abnormaltoy]

How 'bout first hand experience?

My ex took my truck to the lake to go fishing. The ranger caught him fishing with MY license and he claimed to have mixed them up and his was at home. The ranger then proceeded to search my truck, claiming she thought his story was suspicious. She actually called ME because my name was on the registration, and asked me if I'd lent him my truck.

I can see maybe she thought the truck was stolen... but still.. I told her yes it was mine and yes he had permission... and she still searched the truck.

Not to belabor the question...but, did he ask her for a warrant? or consent to the search? They would have tov drag me off to court.

[BLACKDOG]

Not to belabor the question...but, did he ask her for a warrant? or consent to the search? They would have tov drag me off to court.

Some LEOs are pretty sneaky about searches as well.  When I was in high school, I got pulled over for rolling a stopsign in my ramcharger.  Cop took my license and registration, checked them out, and then said "Go ahead and pop the back, I need to check the back."  Not a question, not a request, a statement.  If I had said sure, or popped the back, I just gave him permission.  All you have to do is say no.  I refused, he got irritated, but then he let me go.  I think it knocked him off his stride a bit, he forgot to give me the ticket.

[86bobbedtoy]

code enforcement does not need a warrent to come onto private property.
they can do what ever the fack they want.

check it out for your selfs

butte county code enforcement.

oh and also write you tickets for dead spots on your private property grass.
F them

[Stocker [OP]]

code enforcement does not need a warrent to come onto private property.

oh and also write you tickets for dead spots on your private property grass.

  They don't have enough ticket books for my yard!!   

[86bobbedtoy]

I told them there not coming on my property, I was renting but same as
and they sad they have more athority that the sheriffs dept
in the end a sheriff came over and walked the property with them

if they have more authority than a sheriff why did they have to have one escort them


thought that was funny

1 unregistered vehicle
1 illiegal burn pile.
it was just a fixit on both
hauled off the car
burned pile and trashed the remains

lol  70$ when I went to court
they never came out to look the judge took my word.

[Rocksurfer]

Code enforcement would be city issues and they can inspect the property surrounding your home for violations. No they can't enter your home, but can cite you for violations they find. They do not have more rights than a police officer they in fact have less. They can authorize the removal of the violation and send you the bill for said removal. All of this falls under the Heath and Safety codes or Building and Safety codes within your city. As to the Forest issue probable cause come into play, and FFC I think the officer was probably concerned for your safety since he was in possession of your ID and vehicle. I know it would set off alarms in my head. As to the topic, I think that the guy must have posted the flyer with a phone # genius, why not just give him a threatening phone call dumbass, instead of driving there, wasting "OUR" gas, "OUR" vehicle and "OUR" time the WE'VE invested in hiring you to uphold "OUR" laws!

[dswilly]

Keep this in mind. law enforcement at any level does not need much "cause" to cuff and stuff you on site.  If you don't like it you get to contest it later in court, but at that moment you will be read rights, hauled off, put in the tank, your vehicle gets impounded, then someone posts bail and you go free. Then its your word against the officers.   As for cooperating with the officer on vehicular searches, in most instances the law is written that if you decline its an admission of guilt, act of suspicion, or probible cause. They don't need warrants because vehicles are mobile and getting a judge involved takes too many resources.  The above situation sounds silly, and I'm not defending the officers behavior, but if you resist and act like a jackass you most likely will bring it on yourself

[bleakhorizon]

Keep this in mind. law enforcement at any level does not need much "cause" to cuff and stuff you on site.  If you don't like it you get to contest it later in court, but at that moment you will be read rights, hauled off, put in the tank, your vehicle gets impounded, then someone posts bail and you go free. Then its your word against the officers.   As for cooperating with the officer on vehicular searches, in most instances the law is written that if you decline its an admission of guilt, act of suspicion, or probible cause. They don't need warrants because vehicles are mobile and getting a judge involved takes too many resources.  The above situation sounds silly, and I'm not defending the officers behavior, but if you resist and act like a jackass you most likely will bring it on yourself

Fk that dude i seriously got nothing to hide and i remember when they literally tore my old bronco apart and of course they didnt put anything back (flipped rear seats and all the tool boxs behind em)  and i have been with friends (that i know are straight) that got pulled over for speeding and they brought a drug dog in and let the damn thing crawl up and down all over his leather and junk.... Would piss me off cause im allergic to dogs....  I will tell em NO, they can arrest me...  I will sue the  out of em, just cause they got a badge that dont mean they are any better than me......

of course i cant speak for all officers, i do however respect all of them that ARE NOT complete freakn idiots

[topar]

Fk that dude i seriously got nothing to hide and i remember when they literally tore my old bronco apart and of course they didnt put anything back (flipped rear seats and all the tool boxs behind em)  and i have been with friends (that i know are straight) that got pulled over for speeding and they brought a drug dog in and let the damn thing crawl up and down all over his leather and junk.... Would piss me off cause im allergic to dogs....  I will tell em NO, they can arrest me...  I will sue the  out of em, just cause they got a badge that dont mean they are any better than me......

of course i cant speak for all officers, i do however respect all of them that ARE NOT complete freakn idiots

Just wondering what you are going to sue them for?

[bleakhorizon]

i guess not sue lol.... wrong word for it maybe....

idk i was talkn out my ass lol...    Any lawyer would tell yea not to worry bout it.... but in a world like todays, were you can sued someone if they shot you when you break into THERE house... who the hell knows

I did have an officer that when i was in High school told my mom that when i got my license that he would give me a ticket....(I didnt even know the guy)... well sure as hell he did and it was bs (25 in a 20 school zone) and he singled me out of a line of high school drivers......  That got put on obayance because it was literally 2 wks after my 16th bday (when i got my license)...

Well that officer pulled me over 4 more times in a wk after that, all fix it tickets ie flaps, exhaust, broken tail lamp, and no fender (lol yea no fender but i had an inner fender)..... well i took his butt to court and filed harassment, and because my parents had some free? lawyer i got out of it and the cop never even looked at me again....

But then again i live in a small town 4k ppl or so and an ungodly amount of cops for some reason, so they get bored and harass people sometimes

[86bobbedtoy]

 small towns are horrable.
I live in one and once I got into a little they were all over me.
I wasent innocent by no means, I was a teenager, a dumb one at that.

but they would jack me for everything possable.
there were alot of lawsuits against oroville police dept.
A lawyer put an ad in the paper stating that if you had been wrongfully accused or harrased,
or beaten to call him.

that pretty much an end to the harrasment by OPD

the ad was funny as hell it had a beatup bum on it, lol

[spongebob]

Being ex-law enforcement I can honestly say I have worked with idiots like this before.
If they were coming to asisst me on a call I would just tell dispatch I was Code4 and cancel them.
I have also worked with people who I would gladly put my life in their hands and vice-versa.

Their were definitely more good ones than bad ones. To all of you who have dealt with the bad ones I apologize.

I had one rule I lived by: Always treat people the way you would want to be treated.

No matter how well you treat someone, their is always someone who is going to beg for a beat down.

So when the day was over, I slept well at night and never ever gave anyone grounds for a use of force lawsuit.

Besides if you sued... all you would end up with is a Jeep 

[steveco.]

Actually Forest Service Officers, Park Rangers, Game Wardens, etc have more power than police officers.   They can search and seize without probable cause or a warrant if you are on state/governemt land.   Now going to a guys home I'm not so sure about. 

X2  it's a little excessive what this guy did.  LEO was just doin his job..