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toyminator2000 – There has to be dumb people in order for there to be smart people
Didn't South Park say it was the Mormons who got it right? Sorry if I'm wrong. I get all of my knowledge from TV.Seriously though, I'm sorry but I cannot get on board with the idea that there is one specifically RIGHT religion. I do believe there is a "higher power" and I believe that people should follow the basic concepts of the 10 Commandments, however they might translate into their religion. But you can't tell me that a group of people on the other side of the earth who have never even heard of the Bible are all going to hell because they never stepped foot inside of a church, yet they lived their whole lives praising whoever they believe their "higher power" to be and living their lives as good caring people? I think it's extremely closed minded to believe that any one religion is THEEE only right way. I also find it funny how the people who are supposed to be the most devout christian people are the quickest to pass judgement on others. I don't say this because of anything specifically posted in this thread, I've just been seeing a lot of it in my life lately.A truely good religious person, should they care enough to respond to Mini's first post, should have said something along the lines of "I'm sorry you feel that way, Mini, and I truly hope that one day you find the Lord. Please let me know if you'd ever like any guidance or help in understanding the Word."
So will the 5 year old be allowed in to heaven by your standards?
So humans are created evil and must become good?OR humans are inherently good and are taught evil?
I believe they will be... I dont think they have developed an adequate understanding at that point.. I believe there is an age of accountability.. not a set age, but only an age the differs between individuals that only God could know...
Im against religion, what I am for is a personal relationship with Christ,
Me too....except my relationship is just with God alone....I choose not to follow the mindless sheepIf you are truly a good person in your heart you will go to heaven...no amount of reading the bible, going to church or preaching to others will save you from hell. Its not that complicated
How is this passing judgement?
Are you truly a good person? Have you lied? Cheated? Stolen? or wait... have you ever lusted over a woman?!
thanks for the smooch I miss you too !
And you've never done any of those things?? I can see not stolen...possibly not cheated. But most everyone has at least told a "little white lie" and EVERYONE lusts. Sorry, I don't buy it if you say you don't.
Yes, I have done all of those things....... Did I feel bad for doing them? YES.... But I still truly believe I am a good person.....Guess I will wait until I get to the Pearly Gates and God will make that decision for me based on
I don't understand why you would gamble like that...
With all due respect chim, and I'm honestly not trying to attack you in this thread, you are certainly entitled to your own beliefs....but what do you believe that we would need to do to ensure that we aren't gambling? When we all behave in the same way, that is to say that we presumably sin but are otherwise good people, and we feel bad for it and ask for forgiveness from God, what step are we missing that means we are stuck in our sin? I just find it hard to believe that because I did not walk into a particular building at a particular time on a particular day, that I am NOT going to be forgiven when I ask.
I have my own personal (more of a spiritual hippie-like) connection with God. Dont need anyone to tell me how or when to communicate with him....Its a very strong (and personal) connection...thats why I take the gamble....There are hundreds of organized religions all claiming to be right....telling me that I am wrong (or even a bad person).....why should I gamble on one of them? What if its wrong and I end up with Lucifer for a room mate?
I would say dont believe what anyone says.. but if you have that connection with God.. then read what He has written and decide for yourself... Im sure if you are that tight then He would be delighted for you to read His word.. start with John or Romans possibly..
Yea I think you are right! I dont trust anyone except myself and God...... Why the bible? Talk about borrrrrring! How do you know God actually wrote it and not just some guy that had a wild imagination?Why not the Qur'an? or Torah or some other book. What makes the bible and Christianity the "correct" religion over others?...
btw, Im not trying to razz ya or anything...just trying to get some answers "the church" has not been able to provide me for the past 31 years
“So because of someone's personal beleifs they are not your equal and will not be allowed in to heaven? Even if they have done no wrong?” – MiniSimpMini, the Catholic Church basically says that there is no salvation outside of “the church” so based on that I would expect you to believe that someone of a different belief wouldn’t have salvation.
Interesting discussion so far. Here are a few comments that I noted along the way. They may not even be in the correct order.“You can call me an elitist if you want.. because my God is elite, and Im one of His.. so im cool with that...” – chimPhp 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.I would say that God (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) is the only true God (i.e. "elite"), but I don’t think the Bible supports His followers being anything but humble (meek not weak).“The mormons are not going to be my judge! In fact, they arent saved and I wont see them!” – chimMat 7:1-2 Judge not, that ye be not judged. (2) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.Are you judging them as individuals or as a religion? There is a huge difference. I believe the LDS, Catholic, etc... religions have it wrong, but that there will be believers that will be saved out of them. On the flip side, I believe the SDA religion has it correct, but there will be a lot of members lost. The denomination/religion is not the same as the believers.Several of you stated that you were against organized religion, but is it close minded to automatically assume that the beliefs of a denomination are incorrect? The truth shouldn’t be overlooked simply because you can’t see past the sinners in the church. This is why we have to focus on Christ and Christ alone. People will always let you down.“So because of someone's personal beleifs they are not your equal and will not be allowed in to heaven? Even if they have done no wrong?” – MiniSimpMini, the Catholic Church basically says that there is no salvation outside of “the church” so based on that I would expect you to believe that someone of a different belief wouldn’t have salvation.
And that is where the "Church" and I differ.
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