Topic: horse power yota junkies!!!!!

[94MtnYote]

how does it pull, slow are at high way speeds. What about hills?

 The LCE header adds some good throttle response and  mid range power. If you pin it taking off in in first  you will notice a surge of power starting somewhere around 3 and  up to over 4000 rpm.
This is accompanied by a ridiculous throaty whaaooogh !!!!
 Too loud, but sounds way better than any rice rocket.
 The header certainly helps on long up hills  where I can hold 65-70 most if not all of the  way
 However I'm only running 31'' cooper discoverer mudders
 Gotta say though the header is hella fun !

[Thomas P]

sounds like it needs a full tune up, and maybe a cat.......

[88_Pathy]

If you put in a 3rz I don't think that you will be lookin to sell the truck.  I would say 2k for a 3rz swap if you get a good deal (which is out there) and buy the harness.

[brainlessfool]

how does it pull, slow are at high way speeds. What about hills?

it will go 60, small hills it's fine. the big hills I have to drop down to 3rd and run 45-50.

[jrock]

Some shops around here take the stock 22r/re manifold and cut off the 3 bolt flange. Then weld on a custom fitting  with larger piping. a kind of homemade header.
 I shoulda tried that b/f the getting the LC header.....

Anyone have pictures of this?

[RN37DD]

I'd like to see a picture of that too. i've got a spare 22r pipe and i'd like to try that before spending more $$ on a header.

[94MtnYote]

 A local repair shop in Eureka called Leons makes a homemade header from the 22re manifold.
A guy my buddy bought some tires from had one and he said it was great.
 I'll try to dig up some pics of this.
  I would like to make one of these too, but I've never welded cast iron.
I've heard it's much more difficult than mild steel. Requiring preheating and  post heating or cooling over long duration to avoid cracking.
 I dunno...

[79coyotefrg]

I'd like to see a picture of that too. i've got a spare 22r pipe and i'd like to try that before spending more $$ on a header.

the stock  manifold  will work fine  if  you dump the twin pipes into a 2 1/4 exhaust,  if you neck it down to the stock size  like into the stock cat then  you cut the power

[Thomas P]

the piece i have bolts onto the stock manifold but instead of the 2 skimpy pipes it has 2 big ones that dump into one 2 1/4 tube, i will get pics

[RN37DD]

modifying the pipe that bolts to the cast iron manifold was what i was thinking too. isn't 2 1/4 the normal size of the 22r exhaust pipe? is it measured from the pipes outside diameter? 

[Thomas P]

no 2 1/4 is what most people upgrade to, ive seen some with 2 1/2 but that doesnt leave enough back pressure IMO

[kneedownnate]

no 2 1/4 is what most people upgrade to, ive seen some with 2 1/2 but that doesnt leave enough back pressure IMO

This is one of the most common misconceptions.  I see it pop up enough, I think I'm just going to put this in my sig line.

2.5" tubing does NOT reduce low end, period.  I have personally proven this to be true when I necked down from 2.5 to 2.25", adding a 2nd smaller muffler in an effort to make my truck quieter.  With 2.5 I could chug up an incline at a very low rpm, stab the throttle and light the tires up at will.  Once I added the second smaller muffler, a straight through design, the truck would lag, building speed very slowly and bogging.  I lost my low end grunt from making that one simple change. 

Run whatever size you want, but it doesn't make a huge difference.  These engines are so anemic to begin with that nothing you do without getting inside the engine or changing the aspiration will make a very big difference. 

There are many misconceptions about exhaust, so personal experience weighs heavily on what I do.  I know what works for me because I've tried several different variations, but will be switching to a different header and a magnaflow and am eager to see what gains, if any, I get from this swap.

[yota_krawler [OP]]

my truck has 1 1/2... I took my exhaust off yesterday and found that my down pipe off the manifold was badly cracked, the cat was all broken inside, and pieces of the cat were in the muffler. The muffler was all broken too. So here is my new question. I have a bender and a welder. I am wondering what kind of exhaust to put on, I was thinking of doing a custom down pipe into 2 1/4 with a removable cat, a turbo muffler, and it will end out the back. I also was looking on summit and found a few parts. CRN-704-0012, crane cam, DTE-542Y-0 Header, OFY-6259DP alum. intake man. KNN-E-2820 k&n intake, electric fan, custom exhaust, adjustable cam gear, find some used 35 all terrain bfgs on alum. rims and that should put me right at about 140 hp witch isn't too bad. I would use the bfgs on the road when pulling something (lighter)

[yota_krawler [OP]]

does anyone know what the stock weight is for fly wheel?

[yota_krawler [OP]]

I found a 30 lb flywheel on summit and was thinking that it has to be heavier than stock. LCE has a 35 but you have to use thier clutch and I just got a clutch. So a heavy flywheel would help Right

[yota_krawler [OP]]

does anyone know what the stock weight is for fly wheel?

anyone?

[Thomas P]

hey tonyas dad has some 35 bfg's he can sell you!! i knew it had to be your cat!!! that thing will run like a striped ape when you fix it, i just got back from bottle hill its snowin good there, tomorrow im not working if you wanna adjust your steering, also id go with the 2 1/4 but thats just me........

[camo89]

i have a 89 with almost 200k and with a cam thorly hedder 2.25 exhaust 4.56 gears 35" bgs i can run 75 up most of the hills here in 4th dumping 3rd only when passing and still get 20mpg

[94MtnYote]

i have a 89 with almost 200k and with a cam thorly hedder 2.25 exhaust 4.56 gears 35" bgs i can run 75 up most of the hills here in 4th dumping 3rd only when passing and still get 20mpg

 Sweet, what cam are you running?

[yota_krawler [OP]]

hey tonyas dad has some 35 bfg's he can sell you!! i knew it had to be your cat!!! that thing will run like a striped ape when you fix it, i just got back from bottle hill its snowin good there, tomorrow im not working if you wanna adjust your steering, also id go with the 2 1/4 but thats just me........

I ended up using 2 1/4 inch, with a kragen muffler no cat. It runs good but still once it is warm it runs shitty. I don't have to work until 3pm so lets do it. I just want it to run good, that is all I ask!!!! lol. I will give you a call.

[Fearofrunner]

I found a 30 lb flywheel on summit and was thinking that it has to be heavier than stock. LCE has a 35 but you have to use thier clutch and I just got a clutch. So a heavy flywheel would help Right

I think a heavier flywheel will help to keep your momentume up at low RPMs but your throttle response will suffer being that it's more rotanional mass having to be spun.  And no i'm pretty sure that the oem flywheel doesn't way that much.

[yota_krawler [OP]]

I was thinking that all the bolt ons and mods I am doing will improve top end, I want to increase bottom end as well so heavy fly wheel is what I came up with

[lal357]

not sure of the wieght of a stock 22r  but when i swapped in the 22r i put a 29lb on it and it was alot heavier than the stock 17lbthat was on the 20r

[79coyotefrg]

around 23 lbs  i think
you would be better off just  having your stock flywheel surfaced  and use it

Doug thorley  is a good header,

 K&N is a good  intake filter,

dont waste your money on the ofy intake  you WILL NOT  be pleased

dont waste money on a crane cam,  if  you want a cam get one from LCEngineering or DOA  Crane  just  cut a cam  to fill the slot in there catalogue,  LCEngineering  tests  there stuff in the desert


i think i already   gave you a recomendation  for a cam 

if not  i can

[79coyotefrg]

I was thinking that all the bolt ons and mods I am doing will improve top end, I want to increase bottom end as well so heavy fly wheel is what I came up with

a 22R  doesnt need help  in the low end  department,  they DO need help in the over 3500   department


fyi  my previous motor, a 20/22 hybrid(with the same cam i have now) pulled (in gear going down the road) out  to 7000 rpm 

[Fearofrunner]

a 22R  doesnt need help  in the low end  department,  they DO need help in the over 3500   department


fyi  my previous motor, a 20/22 hybrid(with the same cam i have now) pulled (in gear going down the road) out  to 7000 rpm 

WOW 7000 rpm! does the stage 2 cam let you spin it up that high? I've heard that toyota sets a really low redline on their motors (all the internal stuff is built to handle more rpms but the cam sets it's redline... floating valves and what not).  Does LC say the cam will let it spin up that high without problems glen?

[red]

7000 rpm's? my ears would be screaming haha.

[LOL @ IFS]

You can find Ford Taurus fans at pick yards for pretty cheap.
That's the really strong electric fan right?

You sure can, and they sure are.  Too bad they won't fit if you plan on having an engine in the bay.  The fan motor is about 2" too long and there's nothing you can do about it.  I fought with the li'l b*std for about a week and it just simply flat out will not fit.

[79coyotefrg]

WOW 7000 rpm! does the stage 2 cam let you spin it up that high? I've heard that toyota sets a really low redline on their motors (all the internal stuff is built to handle more rpms but the cam sets it's redline... floating valves and what not).  Does LC say the cam will let it spin up that high without problems glen?

no  they advise not going over 6500,  i was  racing a dude in a Ranger,  and after loosing him  just stayed in it  to see how far it would  go , needless to say  a  exhaust valve hitting a piston at 7000  does   a  fair amount of damage 

[yota_krawler [OP]]

thats sucky i hate loosing. I always get little shitty ricer's wanting to race me,  I have beat a few but none worth bragging about, ya know!