BLINGER MORE FAB COMING SOON !!! (dont try this at home)

[fatt_matt]

nice build on the cage..

pretty intense!

[73cjp]

this guy needs help

[BLACKDOG]

not much done tonight got the cross bars notched sized and some of them welded

sweet!    that'll work out much better

[73cjp]

i hope you dont thik that pipe is going to save your life  you need to use tubbing at least
120" wall 

[Blingn]

this guy needs help

i hope you dont thik that pipe is going to save your life  you need to use tubbing at least
120" wall 

thanks for your info there buddy   we will soon see I really am not scared we have tested it on other rigs have u??

[BLACKDOG]

i hope you dont thik that pipe is going to save your life  you need to use tubbing at least
120" wall 

how would tubbing help?    obviously tubing would be better, but you build with what you have sometimes.  Sched 40 pipe may not be the best option, but it'll hold, it is tried and true

[Ruggedjeep]

Here is my 2cents on this, im not flaming you, just constructive criticisim. First off ive never seen a cage made from this material... but that doesnt mean anything. Now that you have gone this far take some advice. The A pillar needs to be run down to the floor, the entire cage need more triangulation.  I promise you if that A pillar takes a hit, it will crumble. Just from the angle its at. Removing the B pillar i think was a bad move, because what you replaced it with is not nearly as strong. Add gussets to the critical corners, when the cage takes a hit all the force will be traveled to its weakest point(which in this case is the entire cage) and its gonna be dangerous. Referance some of the pics infernal posted. Thos A pillars are like that for a reason. How are you doing the mounting plates on the floor ? Are you using plates ? going through the floor attaching to the uni-body ?

Like i said, take it how you wanna, just giving my 2 cents.

Later

[BLACKDOG]

and that is helpful ruggedjeep. 

I know he wasn't sure about the bottom tie ins.  The subframe on his jeep is completely hammered.  It'd certainly be nice to do what you posted, but his subframe won't allow that.  As for gusseting, and triangulation, that part isn't done yet, what he's posted so far is just the general framework.  Matt is going with the advice of "Overbuild it!" it just doesn't look like it yet

Why do you say the A pillar will crumble?  Several people have said that, especially on pirate, and no one with a good answer.  I know you say the angle, but why?  when you mean the angles are bad, are you talking about it folding vertically, like an accordian?  (legs from dash bar to ground, top of the legs go out, they lay flat, dash bar stays horizontal, legs from halo to dashbar, bottom of the legs move out, and halo flattens to dashbar)    did that make sense     I would think that those joints would take a pretty good hit, due to the forces hitting it, and the angle of the pipe, but I guess that would only apply from directly outside, not from a roll over?    I've been helping with this project, and been learning a lot, but its my first cage build too  

[iNfErNaL]

Hey Matt,if you need some plates I can hook you up.I have some,PM me your addy and I'll shoot'em over to ya  .

[skipnrocks]

If there isnt enough subframe to tie into thats probably ok if you plate it to the floor but it would be a good idea to build in a seat loop into your cage that way if the body were to seperate you would be safe inside the cage..

[MiniSimp]

i hope you dont thik that pipe is going to save your life  you need to use tubbing at least
120" wall 

It's ok, it's not pipe, it's Ridgid conduit.

[unclejpl4x4]

  well is it done yet      

[Blingn]

thanks for the constructive help rugged jeep I really honestly didnt think of the a pillar tie in to the floor frame thanks man thanks skip n rocks good idea pm coming infernal

[*FFC*]

Here is my 2cents on this, im not flaming you, just constructive criticisim. First off ive never seen a cage made from this material... but that doesnt mean anything. Now that you have gone this far take some advice. The A pillar needs to be run down to the floor, the entire cage need more triangulation.  I promise you if that A pillar takes a hit, it will crumble. Just from the angle its at. Removing the B pillar i think was a bad move, because what you replaced it with is not nearly as strong. Add gussets to the critical corners, when the cage takes a hit all the force will be traveled to its weakest point(which in this case is the entire cage) and its gonna be dangerous. Referance some of the pics infernal posted. Thos A pillars are like that for a reason. How are you doing the mounting plates on the floor ? Are you using plates ? going through the floor attaching to the uni-body ?

Like i said, take it how you wanna, just giving my 2 cents.

Later

I was wondering when you would put your in

[*FFC*]

i hope you dont thik that pipe is going to save your life  you need to use tubbing at least
120" wall 

And for the record, YES this pipe has been tried and tested before and it's held up very well.  A lot better than I thought it would.  I had my doubts, but after what I've seen on 2 different rigs, it's pretty sturdy.  Just needs to be put together right

Like Blackdog said, you deal with what ya got.  Some of us don't have bulging our wallets

[Ruggedjeep]

I just looked at the pirate thread and minus the flamming there is good advice there. What those guys said about the A pillar is correct some even highlighted in pink what needs to be done. Saying his unibody is trashed scares me because a cage that is not tied into the uni-body is gonna do nothing. As it is, XJ's are pretty weak you havent done anything to re-enforce the structure. I know you are on a budget but jeporadizing your or your passangers safety shouldnt have a budget. You could pick up 3/16 steel for dirt cheap and plate you frame rails. Tie the cage into that. make some plates like this

bolt them through the floor with grade 8 and sandwich the floor with another plate and weld from there to the uni-body


I dont know what yove spent so far, but honestly, i bought my cage for $400 and its a REAL cage. Its not that much if you think about it. something you should consider.

[Ruggedjeep]

heres the cage ive got for my rig. This isnt my install though. But its good stuff, check it out.


http://www.dandcextreme.com/product.asp?pkID=129

Ok for some reason that link isnt working but search that site for XJ cage install.

[iNfErNaL]

Rugged's got some good points.If there's anyone I would talk to about building XJs it'd be RuggedJeep or KINGSIZE....KINGSIZE,please report to The Blinger thread.

[Blingn]

i have followed some of rugged jeep threads good stuff thanks for the pointer   and I have followed ashmans of the pbb board woooow mommma that thing is crazy!!!

[KINGSIZE]

Ok man im here!

Whats crackin?






BTW...Ive built over 25 cages for XJ's over the past 10 years

[Blingn]

ah man eazy on me then man, nah I am here for some CONSTRUCTIVE advice.  We have tested the galvy but it is in the post.

[KINGSIZE]

If $$$ is a issue you can use HERW. I have in the past. Im not a but fan if it but it works are crawling speeds.


Oh yeah and as you can tell i didnt read all 8 pages of this. I cheat! 

[Blingn]

hey bro I have bent dom and it feals the same as the galvy? and we used it in two other rigs as slider and cage material and no probs? I see flaws in the cage but not to worried about the metal I just will overbuild it what do you think?

[Blingn]

and the cage is not done yet I have to conect the a pillars to the frame and angle brace the front hoop to the dash bar and build the entire back where the rear seats will go

[KINGSIZE]

I think your adding alot of un-needed extra weight. But it is, what it is. I have built a few poop pipe cages in the early days. I does work. Just not at speeds or heavy impact.

Like you said if you "OVER BUILD" it anything is better then that thin a$$ tin roof and a,b pilars. With triangulation anything is better!

[Blingn]

thanks man you rock

[unclejpl4x4]

well the truck survied the rubbercon     but yes allgood info and we want matts head safe  

[Blingn]

fab party tonight ruger, blackdog, garret, and I will be hitin the jeep hard to get it done so that it will make moonrocks.  I want it to be safe for me and the passangers so there is alot of work to be done.  Ill post pics tonight

[*** YELLER ***]

well the truck survied the rubbercon     but yes allgood info and we want matts head safe  

His head is the least of our worries  build safe Matt and all the gang and say Hi to Dave Wong  fer me he and some of the Sonora Possie will be there drive as safe as possable and take alot of Pics 

[*FFC*]

Pics didn't make it up sorry guys.  Matt might be workin on it a lil more this afternoon as his evening was cut short last night.