Topic: How to setup R&P ??

[kentuckyken]

Are there any links on how to setup my old ring and pinion on a new Detroit ? 

[jimbo74]

i don't want to sound like a jerk, but if you don't already know how to do it yourself, you shouldn't be setting up any gears.....

considering how important gears are, i would leave setup to someone who knows that they know what they are doing

[Loki]

or you can research on how to do it...this is a great place to start...
http://www.gearinstalls.com/index.htm
also www.4x4wire.com has some nice write-ups as well

[Hottrod81]

i don't want to sound like a jerk, but if you don't already know how to do it yourself, you shouldn't be setting up any gears.....

considering how important gears are, i would leave setup to someone who knows that they know what they are doing

There is nothing wrong with his question.  Everybody has to start somwhere.  As long as he researched enough, he should be fine.

[79coyotefrg]

if  youve  rebuilt  some engines  successfully  then i say give it a shot

those links are good,  ZUK is the man  for diffs

[fordh8r]

i don't want to sound like a jerk, but if you don't already know how to do it yourself, you shouldn't be setting up any gears.....

considering how important gears are, i would leave setup to someone who knows that they know what they are doing

remember "a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step".  Some steps are just more expensive than others.   Read up on it all you can and you may need to buy or borrow (If someone is nice enough to loan them out) the proper instruments for the set up process. I was once told, "never be afraid of taking anything apart because you can always find someone who CAN put it back together".   good luck with your learning experience.  

[kentuckyken [OP]]

Jimbo74 yes you do sound like a jerk ... and worse.

To everyone else , thanks. Yes I have built several kick a$$ Chevy SB's. I have my own 36" knee mill and lathe and to my credit I have patents pending on some tools that I designed and built. I have made target triggers for 22's with a 3oz. pull that WILL NOT go off even when the gun butt is slamed on the floor. (to those that may know what that means)

But like the replies say, I gotta start sometime. I've never needed to install R&P gears b4 so I never needed to know before.   

[Duffil]

try these:
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/gear_setup/

http://www.drivetrain.com/ringpinioninstal.html

those helped me out when I did my first set (only set)

[Duffil]

also, the gears usually come with a little paper giving a brief overview, and stating the mfrs recommended backlash.

[Loki]

I didn't want to jump down jimbo's throat or anything, so i just posted the links that i've been reviewing/studying for months on end. but fordh8r said it perfectly..."a journey of a thousand miles starts with one step" so so true.

I've never been afraid of tearing into anything.

EI...I bought a 2001 GMC Sierra in 2000 6 weeks later i was dropping it to the ground and had to cut my frame. I never did it before, but it's 6 years later and never had anything wrong with it. It's about diving into the kool aid with or without the sugar and seeing how it turns out...chances are, you're neighbor has a cup waiting for you.  was that a good analogy?

The tools to do it are cheap for the most part...magnetic base, dial indicator, bearing puller, some sort of press, assortment of brass drifts, probably home made spanner tools, digital micrometer, (there is a tool out there to measure pinion depth, gear marking compound, always buy master install kit with new gears, 30m socket i believe, torque wrench is a bit expensive, but i find a nice impact wrench should do the trick...punches, ball peen hammer...i think that about covers it...most of that you can get for under 50 bucks, and some you might already have 

[jimbo74]

ken, more power to you if you feel comfortable doing it

thanks for calling me a jerk, and welcome to the site

[fordh8r]

YOU GO, BOY!      Oh sorry, just came out    Good going on your accomplishments.  Enjoy the gear building! 

[Willy Mammoth]

i don't want to sound like a jerk, but if you don't already know how to do it yourself, you shouldn't be setting up any gears.....

considering how important gears are, i would leave setup to someone who knows that they know what they are doing

  This is the type of responce I would expect on Pirate, but not here.

You are just opening yourself up for a bashing.

I see you took it like a man and welcomed the newcomer, that was big of you.

Carry on

[jimbo74]

  This is the type of responce I would expect on Pirate, but not here.

You are just opening yourself up for a bashing.

I see you took it like a man and welcomed the newcomer, that was big of you.

Carry on

I would like to think I know something about cars, but I understand and acknowledge there is just so much that I don't know, and I personally wouldn't want to attempt to do gears on my own, at least not without the help from someone who actually knew what they were doing. The cost of gears and an install kit are already expensive enough, and for me to read an online writeup and then feel confident enough to experiment with my self, i just wouldn't when would i get it right? thousands of dollars into the hole? to me, that wouldn't be worth it. i don't have the extra $ to throw around like that.

[Hottrod81]

Kentuckyken, do you have an old toy 3rd member around that you can practice with first?  Maybe that would help.

[kentuckyken [OP]]

Loki - Looking back over what you said I needed, I've got an eight pound sledge. You think that'll be enough to work on a toy truck? Naw I've got everything but the digi mic, mines a 30 year old B&S that's still as clean as the day it was made. My hydraulic press is my own build with air over hydraulic that'll bend 2x2 bar stock. The bearing seperator will have to be made in the old South Bend. I've needed one before but never wanted to buy an offshore crappy one but never needed one often enough to make it. This time I will.

Jimbo74 - Now then ... You said "jerk" to start with, I was just carrying it on  . The reason I have to install my R&P myself is what you said about money. That is IF I buy a Detroit Locker. I don't have the money to pay to have it setup for me. If I did believe me I'd let someone else do it. My hands hurt me very much when I have to hold tools or even a phone. Ten minutes of holding my 4" angle grinder yesterday had me in the house running hot water over my hand trying to get the thumb muscle to relax. I can't shake hands with anyone either. Enough history...
So the morale is, don't judge someone by your fears until you know their skills. Here's some of my fun stuff that I was doing until a year ago  http://www.kentuckyken.photosite.com/
So, Friend or Foe ?   

Hottrod81 - This is my first Toy. I bought another for the front axle and rear springs (85). These old rotted Toys are getting hard to find around here. I've had to rebuild the rear half of this frame (88). The 85 I bought had a 3 foot long rusted and gone hole in the midsection.

I have an old friend that was an automotive instructor in Dearborn, Michigan that the dealers sent their new mechanics to his classes to get their training. He's just on the other side of town if I need any help. Don't know if I'd call him though. He's got so much money coming in now that he seems to have forgot his old friends with grease under their finger nails. Funny how 30+ year friends can't return phone calls....


The BIGGEST problem is getting the Detroit without the ol lady putting a bump on my head !!! ... I gotta hide that sledge!

[79coyotefrg]

dude,  read up on  ZUK's  instructions  you'll be fine,  im in arkansas,  if i can help  feel free to ask

[fordh8r]

Well put, kentuckyken (In post #15)    I love grit and eloquence. Oh and if I hadn't said yet, Very big  from Nor Cal. and x2 on any questions you may have as I'm an experinced gear builder myself. I used to build a lot of D80's for fed-ex when I worked at Freightliner A few years back (man Those guys could blow  up). Since then I've built several toy thirds and stuff for other makes and models. Just take your time with building and checking as you go and most importantly the break-in period. You wouldn't want a properly set-up set of gears to fail because of improper break-in. Again good luck and  .

[fordh8r]

Just took the time to look closely at those pics you have and WOW pretty cool. I don't know what a lot of those pieces were exactly but it obviously takes a fair amount of skill or talent or both to do that (none of which I posses for such work, of course). But my favorite was the exploded view of that deer.  Ring and Pinion I'm sure is well within your abilities.

[kentuckyken [OP]]

Fordh8r - Thankx. The small brass castings were some antique reproduction work I did for a cabinet shop in NY. The Stag head was made from orginal 1800's weathervane for a guy in IN. They were cast in zinc. I hate breathing that crap! I love casting but my back doesn't. I need to make an overhead trolly to transport the flask outside. Melting castiron with propane is a challenge but sometimes I get lucky.

Xtreme4x4 is on the tube ... gotta runnnnnnnnn

[Loki]

8lbs should be plenty...i'm sure if you have all that, you'll have a dead blow too i'd say it's worth the 20 bucks or so for a bearing puller...saves time.

[Oddmar]

Have you thought about trying an Aussie locker? I believe it is signifigantly cheaper than the Detroit, and just as strong.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/productreviews/aussie/

http://www.offroadlockers.com/make.php/TMa0fad5/a11a/20/.html

[Willy Mammoth]

Unless you change the pinion bearings with a differant brand you should be in good shape and only need to set the backlash.

Just change the ring gear over to the new carrier and set the carrier bearings so you have the proper backlash and preload.

I usulay set the backlash by feel and it works out well for me, but I have done a lot of them and would recommend a dial indicator for your first time.

[yotaboy79]

the best way in my openion is to make friends with the owner of a local 4x4 shop (may take some time) and then ask him to look over your shoulder wile you set up your therd
thats how i learned

[kentuckyken [OP]]

Oddmar - Thanks for those links, I hadn't found much info on the Aussies but I had been wanting to check them out. The step by step with pics is almost as good as someone else doing it 

Willy Mammoth - I guess the "feel" method would work if I was welding but since I haven't put in R&P's for 30+ years I'd rather do the paint method, and of course a dial indicator. I've got those covered

Yotaboy79 - There's NOT any 4x4 shops around here that I've ever heard of.  If there was I still rather learn from the net as shops around here have a lot of "experts" that don't know The big engine shop here has ruined to many parts for me over the years. They totally ruined a set of 375 Fuelie SB Chevy heads without even saying they were sorry !  Hey I got the TOY sittin on all fours today 

Thanks everybody, I think I can pull it off and if I go with the Aussie I might not even have to hide under the bed when she finds out   

[Hottrod81]

Post up some picks when you can.

[4XFlyin]

Are there any links on how to setup my old ring and pinion on a new Detroit ? 

All your doing is installing a detroit using your old gears? Easy stuff. Read up. Get a dial indicator guage and do it. All you have to to is set up the back lash. You will not have the hassle of setting pinion depth since you are not changing the ring and pinion.

 

[papa mike]

Loki - Looking back over what you said I needed, I've got an eight pound sledge. You think that'll be enough to work on a toy truck? Naw I've got everything but the digi mic, mines a 30 year old B&S that's still as clean as the day it was made. My hydraulic press is my own build with air over hydraulic that'll bend 2x2 bar stock. The bearing seperator will have to be made in the old South Bend. I've needed one before but never wanted to buy an offshore crappy one but never needed one often enough to make it. This time I will.

Jimbo74 - Now then ... You said "jerk" to start with, I was just carrying it on  . The reason I have to install my R&P myself is what you said about money. That is IF I buy a Detroit Locker. I don't have the money to pay to have it setup for me. If I did believe me I'd let someone else do it. My hands hurt me very much when I have to hold tools or even a phone. Ten minutes of holding my 4" angle grinder yesterday had me in the house running hot water over my hand trying to get the thumb muscle to relax. I can't shake hands with anyone either. Enough history...
So the morale is, don't judge someone by your fears until you know their skills. Here's some of my fun stuff that I was doing until a year ago  http://www.kentuckyken.photosite.com/
So, Friend or Foe ?  

Hottrod81 - This is my first Toy. I bought another for the front axle and rear springs (85). These old rotted Toys are getting hard to find around here. I've had to rebuild the rear half of this frame (88). The 85 I bought had a 3 foot long rusted and gone hole in the midsection.

I have an old friend that was an automotive instructor in Dearborn, Michigan that the dealers sent their new mechanics to his classes to get their training. He's just on the other side of town if I need any help. Don't know if I'd call him though. He's got so much money coming in now that he seems to have forgot his old friends with grease under their finger nails. Funny how 30+ year friends can't return phone calls....


The BIGGEST problem is getting the Detroit without the ol lady putting a bump on my head !!! ... I gotta hide that sledge!

   dude  looks like you can make anything    ,,give it a try  just take your time   and  check the clearances