Author Topic: marlin springs (Read 2474 times)

toyotakid · « **on:** Apr 28, 2006, 05:21:08 PM »

so does anybody know which is better, marlin springs or all poo? i hear that they are the same. which one is longer, i think they are the same. any pics would help.

Zamdrang · « **Reply #1 on:** Apr 28, 2006, 06:27:25 PM »

Ive spent years...yes years....researching leaf springs. One consistent thing ive always found is a preference for american made steel. Ive read the latest APs are made in mexico. Marlin offers both(american and other...

)..which is very cool IMO. "Better" is a relative term. Ive heard/read more negative comments about AP than Marlin though for sure.

Not too surprising theyd be pretty close to the same dimension wise.

One thing is for sure...marlin..all pro...whatever....the springs available to toy guys today are FAR superior than what was available ten years ago.

But anyway.....im curious to hear opinions on this....im sure you just opened a can of worms.....

Im especially interested in the poll question on shackle angle.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #2 on:** Apr 28, 2006, 06:39:33 PM »

i am almost 100% sure that the marlin and allpro REAR springs must have the hangers moved and shackles also

the best way for your shackles to sit is at a 45* angle to you springs and frame,\ this will give you the best ride and the most flex

crapyota · « **Reply #3 on:** Apr 29, 2006, 12:22:19 AM »

i think by now you would have learned that not many people are running all pro. im sure in one of your other posts its been stated what everyone is running for springs.and if you go to each website you can see pics of the springs and get dimensions on them. and yes 45 degree andle is the best you dont want straight up and down you want it to push back a little but be able to drop down with the suspension

8D3TOY · « **Reply #4 on:** Apr 29, 2006, 03:39:58 PM »

Marlin springs are better! Not talking steel or shackle angle either, I'm talking about buying from Marlin to support the guys who support us Toyota owners and this awesome web site!

toyotakid · « **Reply #5 on:** Apr 29, 2006, 05:59:59 PM »

but what about the front hanger? i know that you need longer shackles to fit them but cant they bolt up to the front 85 mounts?

84_yota_4wd · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2006, 11:52:14 AM »

no they cant they longer you need a hanger for marlin not sure about all poo.

Phazertwo · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2006, 12:09:22 PM »

I know you need a new spring hanger up front on a 85, but do you need to move your shackles too? I always thought that you left them where they were and just ran a longer shackle. If you do have to move the shackle, I don't see a frame tube to do so on the lift kit...

PZ

84_yota_4wd · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2006, 01:06:28 PM »

yea i didnt think u had to move the shackle either

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2006, 01:12:49 PM »

You are all on CRACK

Marlin front springs are direct bolt-ons for an 85 or earlier truck...only thing you need is a longer shackle which you should also order from Marlin.

84_yota_4wd · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2006, 02:18:02 PM »

realy so why does every one ive ever seen have a front hanger and when you buy them online their description says you need it

84_yota_4wd · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2006, 02:22:44 PM »

Each spring is made from 6 leafs. Springs are 1.5" longer than stock and when used with our front hanger will move the front axle forward 1.5". Includes new bushings and left side spring pad. strait from the sping page on marlincrawler.com

BLACKDOG · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2006, 02:25:20 PM »

Quote from: 84_yota_4wd on May 01, 2006, 02:22:44 PM

Each spring is made from 6 leafs. Springs are 1.5" longer than stock and when used with our front hanger will move the front axle forward 1.5". Includes new bushings and left side spring pad. strait from the sping page on marlincrawler.com

it say WHEN used with, it doesn't say you have to buy it. You can use the stock spring hanger

and you can use a longer shackle to correct the angle

84_yota_4wd · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2006, 02:28:45 PM »

your right there sorry it could be done nut that will kill your pinion angle. just spent the 75 buck or make ur own. thanks for the correction blackdog once i posted it i knew somebody would say that

crapyota · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:12:55 PM »

somebody else was just asking about the front hanger on a different thread. the reasons for using it on older trucks varies it has advantages. evens out load and shock thru system keeps pinion angle in check and so on. its a good improvement for the older rigs.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #15 on:** May 01, 2006, 07:03:59 PM »

Quote from: 84_yota_4wd on May 01, 2006, 02:28:45 PM

your right there sorry it could be done nut that will kill your pinion angle. just spent the 75 buck or make ur own. thanks for the correction blackdog once i posted it i knew somebody would say that

actually no, with marlins because the spring is longer you would use a longer shackle so that it would slope / and actually give a smoother ride because the shackle is at such a angle it wont effect the pinion angle like it would if under a stock length spring

84_yota_4wd · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2006, 07:12:45 PM »

haha shut me up

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2006, 07:36:09 PM »

In case you all haven't figured it out, I AM NEVER WRONG...except when Glen is more right!

84_yota_4wd · « **Reply #18 on:** May 01, 2006, 07:40:13 PM »

ha i thought i had it oh well live and learn

toyotakid · « **Reply #19 on:** May 02, 2006, 05:30:49 PM »

so when used with the front hanger marlins move it forward 1.5'', but how is the shackle angle after that. i would like to move the axle forward but still have a good shackle angle. pics?

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #20 on:** May 02, 2006, 05:46:40 PM »

use marlins springs and hanger, move hanger forwar and use stock shackles

blackdiamond · « **Reply #21 on:** May 02, 2006, 06:16:11 PM »

As much as I love

products...

gotrocks has had some issues with his Marlin springs. The first set of non-US springs all flattened out completely in just a few weeks, Marlin sent him a set of US springs (warranty) and the front set flattened out again after a week in Moab, Marlin sent him another set of front springs (warranty).

Customer Service is great, but...

Dollar for dollar I would just get ALCAN Springs.

toyotakid · « **Reply #22 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:09:00 PM »

stock shackles? wouldnt get much travel out of that would you?

84_yota_4wd · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2006, 10:04:20 PM »

dude i dont know quite as much as some people but but i dont c why it would hurt ur travel eccept some crazy flex where it might hit ur bunbstop am i wrong agian


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