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No matter who you are, that's funny! Have you seen his description of golf? I almost choked!

I dunno dude, I bet all the foreigners and the illegals get all butthurt about it  :eek:
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Like I said "I don't care who you are" that's funny. Don't think the sheet heads have a sense of humor anyway...btw, has anyone ever seen Hillary laugh?
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Like I said "I don't care who you are" that's funny. Don't think the sheet heads have a sense of humor anyway...btw, has anyone ever seen Hillary laugh?

I thought I did once, turns out it was just gas.
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Poor ole Bill. No matter what I think of him as a President...No one should ever have to see Hillary naked!


















Sorry, I know that brings up some baaad visuals! :reg:
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Poor ole Bill. No matter what I think of him as a President...No one should ever have to see Hillary naked!




















Sorry, I know that brings up some baaad visuals! :reg:


 :shudder:  :shudder:  :shudder:  :outtahere:
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You know...that was kind of odd. How Hillary farting, made me think of her...pooper (a hole), which made me think of here other "a" hole Bill!
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Poor ole Bill. No matter what I think of him as a President...No one should ever have to see Hillary naked!


















Sorry, I know that brings up some baaad visuals! :reg:

dude, c'mon :puke:  no one wants to imagine that!!


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> 3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and
>leave.
> We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be
> gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they
>are.
> France would welcome them.
>

Hell, why give em 90 days?!  Give em 5, they don't need more, and this includes all the ones growing pot in the hills of northern california.  Leave that to the inbreds!  I agree with so much of what he said.  Good day, and good arguing!
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And I do wish the US would do a lot less "hey, what's going on over here, and how can I stick my nose in it?" and worry more about ourselves, but history proves that no matter what we do we're accused of being selfish.
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I dunno dude, I bet all the foreigners and the illegals get all butthurt about it :eek:

Screw em if they can't take a joke....a very serious joke that's not so much "ha ha" as "take it seriously".  And why do we try so hard to make ILLEGALS comfy anyway?  They are here ILLEGALY!!! 
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I have been active duty military for over 12 years, been to Iraq twice, Saudi, Oman, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Turkey, Kuwait and Bahrain; not to mention most of Asia, Europe, and South America...and I could really care less what any of those people think of the U.S. The way I see it is I'll fight for the Iraqi people the same way I would fight for the people here in our country...thats what I get paid to do!
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Screw em if they can't take a joke....a very serious joke that's not so much "ha ha" as "take it seriously".  And why do we try so hard to make ILLEGALS comfy anyway?  They are here ILLEGALY!!! 
you're preachin to the choir bro! I was kinda making fun of everyone gettin butthurt over the cartoons :smack:
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First of all, all that bs about virtue and competition is just that bs.  It is a western cultural value that has absolutely no universal utility.  Most cultures put family before everything else, which leads to a more collectivist (as opposed to competitive) conscience.  'Virtue' can mean anything, which is my major beef with Leo Strauss - he never defines what 'virtue' is. (Leo Strauss is the ideological father of neo-cons like richard Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Clarence Thomas and others.  He also advocated atheism because 'rationality and religion' are incompatible.  Ever wonder why Rush wasn't married in a Church?  Look no further than Leo Strauss's political philosophy.  Rush is an atheist.)  Look at China.  It has the fastest growing economy on the planet.  Socialism with allowances for entrepeneurship seems the be the chosen model for most states.  China is communist with capitalistic allowances.  And the communism that you are talking about isn't Marxism.  It is Stalinism or Maoism.  Marx advocated revolution (all revolutions need not be armed), but not genocide.  Nelson Mandela is a Marxist and he is one of the most peaceful men on the planet.  Other notable socialists - MLK, Gandhi, Orwell, and others.

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roads come from the state, not the federal, as do the schools. Lets not get ridiculous. The condition of both have been deteriorating way before this started.
um actually  the schools are run by the state but they are funded by federal money,  ever hear about the allocation of federal funds for .............  anything from a bridge to  a school bus

our schools here in arkansas  had to "merge"  with other schools so the highschools  could have different classes,  say  Mudville teaches french  and booneville  has a welding shop,   some girls from booneville would go to mudville  and have french class whiule some of the boys from mudville would go to booneville for shop

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I have been active duty military for over 12 years, been to Iraq twice, Saudi, Oman, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Turkey, Kuwait and Bahrain; not to mention most of Asia, Europe, and South America...and I could really care less what any of those people think of the U.S. The way I see it is I'll fight for the Iraqi people the same way I would fight for the people here in our country...thats what I get paid to do!

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um actually the schools are run by the state but they are funded by federal money, ever hear about the allocation of federal funds for ............. anything from a bridge to a school bus.

Thanks Glen, I originally made that comment stupidly but after I thought about it there is an immense Federal grant system that pays for a huge part of state activities such as roads. where I live the biggest highway projects are all funded by Federal grants, because the state doesn't have the money to build the "state" highways. Even selected programs and activities at the city level are funded largely with Federal grant and aid.
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:clap: :clap: nicely said abnormaltoy :yupyup:

Here's a little tidbit from Robin Williams. I got this back in 2003, but I figure its worth repeating

Enjoy!!
It is a great piece, but it wasn't Robin Williams who did it. It's "Author Unknown" and it is great!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp

According to the snopes website:

We don't know who is responsible for the piece quoted above, but it definitely wasn't actor/comedian Robin Williams (of Mork & Mindy television fame). This item's debut appears to have been a 20 March 2003 posting to the USENET newsgroup alt.motorcycles.harley, and from there it was rapidly disseminated via e-mail and blogs, credited to either "author unknown" or no one at all.

The Robin Williams attribution wasn't tacked on until several weeks later, apparently because along the way the eleventh entry was dropped and a genuine Robin Williams quote appended in its place:

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?'" — Robin Williams.

The 'Robin Williams' attribution for the final item was interpreted as applying to the list as a whole, so now the entire piece circulates as 'the Robin Williams plan.'


And I do wish the US would do a lot less "hey, what's going on over here, and how can I stick my nose in it?" and worry more about ourselves, but history proves that no matter what we do we're accused of being selfish.
Screw em if they can't take a joke....a very serious joke that's not so much "ha ha" as "take it seriously". And why do we try so hard to make ILLEGALS comfy anyway? They are here ILLEGALY!!!
And Nate, right-on, right-on, right-on!

and Hillary farting!!! Now that is funny stuff right there! :fart:
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um actually the schools are run by the state but they are funded by federal money, ever hear about the allocation of federal funds for ............. anything from a bridge to a school bus

our schools here in arkansas had to "merge" with other schools so the highschools could have different classes, say Mudville teaches french and booneville has a welding shop, some girls from booneville would go to mudville and have french class whiule some of the boys from mudville would go to booneville for shop
I stand corrected, I was thinking more of local roads then interstate highways, and what do I know about schools, nothing but the fact that FL has about the worst schools in the nation and I'm glad I never had to worry about kids going to school in this day and age.
But still, the point is this has all been deteriorating way before this war started, the money going there has nothing to do with the current condition of things.
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I stand corrected, I was thinking more of local roads then interstate highways, and what do I know about schools, nothing but the fact that FL has about the worst schools in the nation and I'm glad I never had to worry about kids going to school in this day and age.
But still, the point is this has all been deteriorating way before this war started, the money going there has nothing to do with the current condition of things.

Yes the state of those things has been long deteriorating but my point is those things wouldn't have to stay crappy if the funds were available for improvement. I don't have an opinion on whether or not the wars are necessary, the politicians tell us they are but who knows for certain. I think everybody can agree that the money would be better spent on fixing a long list of domestic issues not solely limited to schools and roads by any means but merely including them on the long list. The two just being my poor examples of domestic neglect. But given the current state of unrest in the middle east it may never be possible to pull our forces from the region and concentrate on domestic issues. Those decisions will have to be made by people in thousand dollar suits with ivy league education.
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First of all, all that bs about virtue and competition is just that bs.  It is a western cultural value that has absolutely no universal utility.  Most cultures put family before everything else, which leads to a more collectivist (as opposed to competitive) conscience.  'Virtue' can mean anything, which is my major beef with Leo Strauss - he never defines what 'virtue' is. (Leo Strauss is the ideological father of neo-cons like richard Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Clarence Thomas and others.  He also advocated atheism because 'rationality and religion' are incompatible.  Ever wonder why Rush wasn't married in a Church?  Look no further than Leo Strauss's political philosophy.  Rush is an atheist.)  Look at China.  It has the fastest growing economy on the planet.  Socialism with allowances for entrepeneurship seems the be the chosen model for most states.  China is communist with capitalistic allowances.  And the communism that you are talking about isn't Marxism.  It is Stalinism or Maoism.  Marx advocated revolution (all revolutions need not be armed), but not genocide.  Nelson Mandela is a Marxist and he is one of the most peaceful men on the planet.  Other notable socialists - MLK, Gandhi, Orwell, and others.

    Well I don’t think its BS. You don’t think the world is competitive? While you may not be trying to demolish your coworker, you’re trying to do your work better that he does his…except in a union shop, where individual output doesn’t matter. China’s economy didn’t start booming until they “adopted” capitalism to some extent. Even before then there was, as is usually the case in repressive economies, a strong black market that helped keep the economy afloat.
   You don’t think the USSR was Marxist…at the very least under Lenin? That’s what we most associate with the Communism in the US. Lenin, Stalin, Mao are all variations on a theme. They may not have followed the recipe exactly, but Marx was the inspiration.
   
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    Well I don’t think its BS. You don’t think the world is competitive? While you may not be trying to demolish your coworker, you’re trying to do your work better that he does his…except in a union shop, where individual output doesn’t matter. China’s economy didn’t start booming until they “adopted” capitalism to some extent. Even before then there was, as is usually the case in repressive economies, a strong black market that helped keep the economy afloat.
   You don’t think the USSR was Marxist…at the very least under Lenin? That’s what we most associate with the Communism in the US. Lenin, Stalin, Mao are all variations on a theme. They may not have followed the recipe exactly, but Marx was the inspiration.
   
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The world is competitive because that is the best way to increase profits.  To expand and exploit resources to make the most money.  Competition and individuality is decidedly western.  Cooperation and group reproduction are much more important in many, many other societies.  Hell, they are even more important in many American subcultures.  I never try to do my work better than my coworker.  I try to work for the greater good - the good of my coworker, the business, the community, etc.  It is only when I am forced to be competitive that I am competitive (such as in school).  Even then, I make exceptions to my morals because I realize that my education serves the greater good.  The good of self is subordinate to the good of the group in many cultures.  (See Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and most other eastern philosophies.)  The reason that communists and socialists have made allowances for capitalistic ventures is because they realize that one cannot have a mandate against greed.  There is greed and one must make a niche in society for that greed, even a way to use that greed for the greater good - as China seems to be doing very well.  Of course, I am not sure what you mean by repressive economies.  People have housing, health care, education, and food.  Is there more that one needs?
Marx was the inspiration for Stalin and Mao, but he never advocated their tactics.  Hell, he was long dead by the time those people got into power.  Blaming Marx for Stalin, Lenin, Mao, or Che's sins is like blaming Jesus for the Crusades.  People can twist philosophies to mean just about anything.

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I am not sure what you mean by repressive economies. People have housing, health care, education, and food.

Poverty in Latin America is largely caused by unfair trade agreements (NAFTA, CAFTA, and GATT are unfair to workers everywhere. It creates an environment that forces workers to compete against each other, thereby driving the cost of labor down. Simple supply and demand. The winners - giant international corporations.)

The repressive economies being the ones that enact such unfair trade agreements for example. But people do not have Healthcare, Food and education for the masses. These are luxuries that most do not get enough of in south east Asia and Africa especially. Western Africa is not only starving but the majority of the population in some countries is infected with HIV with no sign of slowing down and no healthcare. Then there is the issue of reproduction that you mention that these societies are focusing on. Reproduction is potentially the scariest thing on earth right now. It is not a mainstream concern yet but it should be. Population growth follows exponential growth characteristics and we are now in the later stages where the population has potential to double in a relatively short period of time. The statistics are frightening. Uncontrolled birth in undeveloped nations such as many in south America for instance pose a large threat to human existence. Eventually the earth will run out of resources if some natural disaster such as a plague is not realized first as nature reaches to restore balance to our planet and wipe out the human species. When you go to South America maybe you can distribute condoms.
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The rate it had been taking for our population to double compared to how long it takes now truly is frightening. We cannot feed the world now. We have a big problem.
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Reproduction is potentially the scariest thing on earth right now. It is not a mainstream concern yet but it should be. Population growth follows exponential growth characteristics and we are now in the later stages where the population has potential to double in a relatively short period of time. The statistics are frightening. Uncontrolled birth in undeveloped nations such as many in south America for instance pose a large threat to human existence. Eventually the earth will run out of resources if some natural disaster such as a plague is not realized first as nature reaches to restore balance to our planet and wipe out the human species. When you go to South America maybe you can distribute condoms.

 :clap2: awesome, broken, awesome!!  :thumbs: humans have actually been here for such a small fraction of the amount of time that the earth has been around. Dinosaurs where here for hundreds of millions of years, modern man has been here maybe 100,000 years or so, and look what we have managed to do to our planet. It would be a lot better off without us.

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The world is competitive because that is the best way to increase profits.

   From the second a hominid climbed down from a tree, there has been competition. Competition for the best food, the best hunting ground, the best den. If it weren't for "exploiting resources" you'd be sitting buck-ass nekid in a field wishing you had a chunk of flint to make a spear so you could kill a gazelle for dinner! I firmly do not believe that man can do nothing to destroy the Earth. We may, and probably will, annihilate ourselves but the Earth will continue.
   Why is it that leftists never see the good in anything…they’re never happy.
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   From the second a hominid climbed down from a tree, there has been competition. Competition for the best food, the best hunting ground, the best den. If it weren't for "exploiting resources" you'd be sitting buck-ass nekid in a field wishing you had a chunk of flint to make a spear so you could kill a gazelle for dinner! I firmly do not believe that man can do anything to destroy the Earth. We may, and probably will, annihilate ourselves but the Earth will continue.
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I fully agree :yupyup:  We cannot do anything to the world to destroy it.  Even if there is a nuclear holocaust, life somewhere will prevail, and another cycle of the earth's existence will continue.  (If Christ doesn't come back first, but that is a different topic) 

The world is entirely about competition, the left wingers are the ones that encourage cooperation!!  Look at unions!! No offense to any union workers out there, I will be one in the future, I know, but Unions encourage mediocrity!!!  As long as they fulfill their quota, they won't get fired.  There is no encouragment to go above and beyond.  They'll get a raise every year or so, so why work harder for it?  :dunno:  Personally, I think we as a himan race have screwed our selves into this population mess.  We've eliminated a lot of the things that slowed population growth.  I beleive that God, nature, whatever you want to beleive, created/caused natural disaster, plagues, diseases,  etc.  Even as far as enforcing seatbelt laws, helmet laws, aibag requirments and all that.  As stupid as this may sound, we as a race are making it safe (and less fun) for us to live, so that we may actually die of old age.  We are essentially trying to eliminate natural causes of population control.



I apologize for erroneously posting the Robin Williams thing.  I felt it was relatable, and I recieved it with the author being Robin Williams :thumbs:
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There are a few theories about the population explosion. The first is that all resources such as food and space will be used up due to massive over population.

The second theory makes sense and hinges on controlled reproduction for the survival of the human race. The future of the world hinges on the future of the third world nations and the reproductive customs they have. I may have the details wrong but it basically works like this and the graph agrees. As medical technology increases people live longer and do not die nearly as frequently. In the old days the death rate was so high that the population grew very slow as people had a low life expectancy and child survival rate was relatively low. Now with people living longer and survival rates improving due to medicine improvements there is a huge increase in population as people are having families of 20 people and nobody is dieing. Next society industrializes and the general population moves from rural to urban centers so there is no longer any purpose to having a 20 person family. A large family in these cultures views a child as a tool. The more children a family has the less work each person needs to do. We are talking gathering food etc. The basic chores for survival. Picture the progress of America from mostly farmers with large families to becoming citified and no longer having a large family. Once industrialization occurs a society no longer has a need for an excess of children and children become a burden rather than an asset. The last stage is where the US and Europe are currently as families are having 1 to 2 children most frequently and at this rate the population will stabilize. If you look at the second graph this makes perfect sense. You can see at what year roughly each stage took place and see where we are and where the third world countries are in the stages. So we have already stabilized our population as civilized people. The third world nations are now realizing new medicine and experiencing lower death rates hence the population explosion. We now have to wait for the third world to industrialize and make large families obsolete or else humans are history.  Don't write the world off just yet. Hopefully the third world nations can get their :pokinit: together before the world is incapable of sustaining life.
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You are absolutely right.  Population growth is the single most pressing issue in the world today.  We have far exceeded the capacity for sustainability for the amount of people on the Earth.  Overpopulation is the most core cause of all the worlds problems.  And there seems to be little done to address it.   Core countries consume way more crap than they need too, and periphery countries often have exploding populations.  There is a big push in academia to develop sustainable economics (capitalism is not sustainable - it must constantly expand and create markets in order to increase profits) and societies.  We as humans have fundamentally changed the environment of the earth in order to feed the masses, and it has left us in a situation that is very precarious.  Drinkable water will probably rival oil as the most precious commodity in the next fifty to sixty years.  It is already quite a valuable asset in most non-core countries.  Anyway, this is a sort of different debate.

People outside of the west have understood for centuries that a group must return to the environment what it has taken.  Cultures didn't so much as exploit natural resources as they did use them carefully - which is the core idea behind sustainability.  Capitalism with its need to create new markets exploits without much regard for how this exploitation effects the environment.  As an example, I point to the previously mentioned slash and burn methods adopted by international timber companies in the Amazon.  There are tons of other examples of overexploitation of certain natural resources that fundamentally changed ecosystem.  Many fisheries have been overfished in the last thirty years and now communities are paying for it.  Capitalism has its place - competition has its place, but the rulebook must be rigid and thoughtful.  When uncontrolled global capitalism it is an awesomely destructive force.  In a lot of ways, true capitalism doesn't exist because most gigantic corporations work in collusion with each other and create a de facto monopoly.  The only true competition that exists is between workers for wages - which again only benefits the rich and the powerful.

I would say the two most pressing issues to humanity today are a) overuse of natural resources and b) overpopulation.  In a lot of ways the two are connected, but, in a lot of ways, they are not.

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There are a few theories about the population explosion. The first is that all resources such as food and space will be used up due to massive over population.

The second theory makes sense and hinges on controlled reproduction for the survival of the human race. The future of the world hinges on the future of the third world nations and the reproductive customs they have. I may have the details wrong but it basically works like this and the graph agrees. As medical technology increases people live longer and do not die nearly as frequently. In the old days the death rate was so high that the population grew very slow as people had a low life expectancy and child survival rate was relatively low. Now with people living longer and survival rates improving due to medicine improvements there is a huge increase in population as people are having families of 20 people and nobody is dieing. Next society industrializes and the general population moves from rural to urban centers so there is no longer any purpose to having a 20 person family. A large family in these cultures views a child as a tool. The more children a family has the less work each person needs to do. We are talking gathering food etc. The basic chores for survival. Picture the progress of America from mostly farmers with large families to becoming citified and no longer having a large family. Once industrialization occurs a society no longer has a need for an excess of children and children become a burden rather than an asset. The last stage is where the US and Europe are currently as families are having 1 to 2 children most frequently and at this rate the population will stabilize. If you look at the second graph this makes perfect sense. You can see at what year roughly each stage took place and see where we are and where the third world countries are in the stages. So we have already stabilized our population as civilized people. The third world nations are now realizing new medicine and experiencing lower death rates hence the population explosion. We now have to wait for the third world to industrialize and make large families obsolete or else humans are history.  Don't write the world off just yet. Hopefully the third world nations can get their shirt together before the world is incapable of sustaining life. 

The second theory is stupid.  Core countries consume way more resources per capita by far than the periphery.  It would be a hell of a lot easier to keep people from buying McMansions than it would to keep people from reproducing.  The problem is wealth and industrialization.  Overpopulation isn't really about people, it is about resources consumed.

 
 
 
 
 

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