Topic: Scary Stuff

[OVRAROK]

Just saying...

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[sirdeuce]

And the teller cooperate completely.

[Snowtoy]

And the teller not giving me a diepack with my money. :greengr

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

VERY Scary Stuff!!!    


 

[90weight]

Can’t even get my head around those people’s way of thinkin! 

[Snowtoy]

Can’t even get my head around those people’s way of thinkin! 

It is a birth defect that you have to be born with, the defect limits the development of the cerebral cortex past the age of 6.

[kneedownnate]

We have had quite a few either nurses or doctors come through and the common themes are:  this is all a huge overreaction, and the virus has likely been around a lot longer than reported and many of us had it and just thought we had a cold or the flu.

It’s all about control and fear mongering, or about seeing how well folks will mind if there were ever a true pandemic or worldwide emergency.

[86bobbedtoy]

We have had quite a few either nurses or doctors come through and the common themes are:  this is all a huge overreaction, and the virus has likely been around a lot longer than reported and many of us had it and just thought we had a cold or the flu.

It’s all about control and fear mongering, or about seeing how well folks will mind if there were ever a true pandemic or worldwide emergency.

Couldn't have said it better myself

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

We have had quite a few either nurses or doctors come through and the common themes are:  this is all a huge overreaction, and the virus has likely been around a lot longer than reported and many of us had it and just thought we had a cold or the flu.

It’s all about control and fear mongering, or about seeing how well folks will mind if there were ever a true pandemic or worldwide emergency.

Well said.

Yes... this has been discussed with my friends and family a number of times.

I believe the overreaction - and by the numbers, previous flu data, and many experts, it is an overreaction - and IS fueled by the power, ego, and control ideology of the elites in the Federal and State governments.

I do believe that things go on that are basically blind to the citizens.

Historically the Democrats (and Yes - there are Republicans that are filthy dirty)  have perpetrated SHOCKING and nearly indescribably horrific things to the local citizens.   You don't believe it?.... Read Glenn Beck's book - "Liars"

Could a corrupt government deliberately create a panic to see what the citizens will do?

Did China knowingly allow the horrible affects of a lethal virus to be spread to see what governments, scientists, countries, and specifically the United States will do?

Who do we trust to tell the truth and NOT be an evil force against our lives?

What SHOULD be a very serious overreaction by ALL of the citizens of the USA is Ralph Northam, governor of Virginia, who announced laws that are on the threshold of taking away the 2nd Amendment of the people of Virginia!

In all of this, most of the socialist fake news media have been a flame thrower on an already out of control fire!

Gnarls.

[Snowtoy]

We have had quite a few either nurses or doctors come through and the common themes are:  this is all a huge overreaction, and the virus has likely been around a lot longer than reported and many of us had it and just thought we had a cold or the flu.

It’s all about control and fear mongering, or about seeing how well folks will mind if there were ever a true pandemic or worldwide emergency.

Yep, a recent study conducted in Santa Clara county shows the infection rate may be 50-85 times higher, which would out the current death national death rate between 0.06-0.10%. not the current rate of 5.2% the confirmed cases indicates.  This is also in line with what the Italians found in when they had a blood drive in a a N. Italian city, 60 out of the 100 that showed up to donate blood, tested positive for the virus, yet had not been sick nor out of their home or exposed to a sick person in more than 14 days.

It is also presumed that virus was in CA back in December due to the first case in CA not being able to be traced back to someone who went to China or had contact with someone who had recently traveled to China.

I think once they start testing anyone who wants to be tested, or who thinks they had the virus before it was confirmed to being community spread in the U.S., they will find that many had it in late December-January, yet they didn't seek medical attention, or misdiagnosed due to not having recently traveled to China.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

CONTACT TRACING!!! 

THAT will be way more deadly to our civil rights than COVID-19!!

Gnarls.

[Snowtoy]

Contact tracing through the CDC is fine, but hell no to the real time crap they are wanting to do with cell phones, or what the Gov. Whitmer tried to do in Michigan with a political actrivist org., or by making you carry papers stating your status.

The crap cities, counties and states are trying to pull now with fines for not wearing a mask in public is bad enough, it is pretty ridiculous that the very governments that wont allow their citizens to open carry a gun that would protect them in public, are now demanding they wear a mask to protect themselves.

[gnob]

Come awn now. Don't make sense.
Government is here to ELIMINATE you. Not help you.

[gnob]

Idk where these fucks think their money and labor will come from when they eliminate all us commoners. Lol

[Snowtoy]

Government is here to ELIMINATE you. Not help you.

Yep, Reagan's quote, "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.", seems to ring more true now than ever before.

[sirdeuce]

Come awn now. Don't make sense.
Government is here to ELIMINATE you. Not help you.

Eliminate? Nope. To control your every move, thought and money is what they are working towards. You don't eliminate your cash cow bud,

[sirdeuce]

Anybody that thinks they're free is deluded. Ask any old fart about what freedom and liberty are about. Ask any old fart what they could do then and whether anyone can do that now. You're not free, you're living in a 'matrix', coppertop.

[kneedownnate]

As of a couple days ago, we were told we either wear a mask at work or we aren’t allowed to clock in.  10-11 hours wearing a mask which smells absolutely awful, then when you go home you can still feel it on your face.  Our avp called the other day to see how we were doing and I told him I was doing everything within my power to try to maintain some semblance of sanity.  That was right before we got the order to wear the masks. 

If we’re doing this so our customers feel safer, they need to return to their own little bubble.  If they so desperately need to come into a tire shop, maybe follow the directions on the sign out front and call us and we’ll come out and get your info so we can check you in while you wait in your car. 

Then you have the folks who don’t understand that our services are limited due to furloughing 13 guys, pissing and moaning that they have to wait 1 1/2 hours for a non-essential tire rotation.  Had a heated exchange with a customer who just didn’t get why we were asking for extra time to get him taken care of, which was the same story for the other two times he came in for a rotation since this all started.  Then had the same exact response and conversation with a lady later that day while he was finally patiently waiting.  Told my boss I was on the verge of telling a customer to flop off if I had another similar conversation that day.  Luckily, he gets it and knows that you just need to relay this to someone you work with to get past it.

[Snowtoy]

Can you guys weer face shields instead of masks, it does the same thing as far as containing coughs and sneezes.

[90weight]

As of a couple days ago, we were told we either wear a mask at work or we aren’t allowed to clock in.  10-11 hours wearing a mask which smells absolutely awful, then when you go home you can still feel it on your face.  Our avp called the other day to see how we were doing and I told him I was doing everything within my power to try to maintain some semblance of sanity.  That was right before we got the order to wear the masks. 

I feel your pain! We have to wear them on certain sites that require them and  the short time I have to wear them drives me crazy!!  I mean like tucked in sheets at the foot of the bed kind of crazy!! Can’t stand wearing them. Hang in there!

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

This mask wearing thing is a real problem for me.

I’ve had a box N95’s in my garage all the time for many years – mostly used when I’m sanding or painting, and outside when spraying heavily for bugs or weeds.

The last 3 times I’ve gone to the grocery store, I’ve worn the mask.  It immediately makes my face itch and makes my nose run.

I’m now working from home, so my job doesn’t require me to wear a mask right now.

If I had to wear a mask while working at the office, I would be extremely uncomfortable!

Right now it looks like this pandemic and the overreaction has changed our society and way of life forever!

Fortunately my life, so far, has not been dramatically affected, but for the millions out there who’s life and livelihood has been destroyed is sad beyond words.

The pain and suffering by those who have died and their surviving loved ones is unimaginable.

Gnarls. 

[kneedownnate]

Can you guys weer face shields instead of masks, it does the same thing as far as containing coughs and sneezes.

Nope, but I can wear a mask of my choice.  If I had a sewing machine I would make some out of a camo shirt

[Snowtoy]

What about just cutting some material into a few bandannas that you can change out every few hours and wash.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

The China COVID-19 Pandemic has created and exposed a devasting hardship on almost every American that may not have even been imagined by a Hollywood movie maker.

Most people I know, including friends and family, are ignorant and unaware of the facts and truth about what is really going on in their local community, State, government, USA, or the other countries.  Why?  We are preoccupied with personal gratification, making a life, getting ahead, raising a family, advancing a career, working towards the American Dream, and many other common reasons for surviving. And, Congress and the mainstream media are corrupt and produce mostly fake news.
 
I work with a lot of Millennials. I’m amazed how little so many of them actually know about what’s going on in the news, including politics and global economics.  Many don’t watch or listen to any news program.  Facebook and other social media are their mainstay of communications.  Of course, and strangely, there are some very smart and well-educated people I know who are also brain-washed or just haven’t learned from history and the sick ideology of the evil perpetrators of the past.

Most of us here on this forum are here for the hobby and interest in 4-wheeling early Toyota style. I don’t know what the demographics are for the membership here, but just from reading the posts and the ShoutBox for the past 3 years and 10 months, it’s a very diverse group with a common thread.

Here’s some interesting truth that is truly shocking to me and I hope that we, as United States citizens wake up to what could be more “shock and awe” than we could ever imagine happening in our lifetime.

Only if you are interested take 20 minutes to read this entirely and at the bottom click on the PDF and read the entire speech titled “China Speaks”

https://rense.com/general85/give.htm

Based upon the timeline I assume this article was written in 2009 very shortly after the inauguration of President Obama on January 20, 2009.

Is it real or is it bogus?

I’m interested in anyone’s thoughts.

Gnarls.

[gnob]

Search "A Gray State" on netflix

[sirdeuce]

Hey gnarls, check out the movie "The Platform"

As for anyone actually knowing the state of our society?  Rose colored glasses abound.

[sirdeuce]

Search "A Gray State" on netflix

If it's about California it needs to be called 50 shades of gray state.

[Snowtoy]

https://rense.com/general85/give.htm

Based upon the timeline I assume this article was written in 2009 very shortly after the inauguration of President Obama on January 20, 2009.

Is it real or is it bogus?

I’m interested in anyone’s thoughts.

Gnarls.

Bogus, and appears to be written by someone with little critical thinking skills, who has taken some actual events and then let his imagination run wild with them using by reengineering the reason why from the outcome.

This is not too say that China isn't a threat and hasn't been, I have been saying they were a threat that needed to be neutralized for that last 25+yrs.  I was in grad school at the time, and wrote a paper on it for an international policy seminar on how with the collapse of Soviet Union, China was the next threat to the West, and how the U.S. needed to terminating trade relations with them.  Nixon only opened up trade relations with China to drive a wedge between the Soviets and the China, that wedge was no longer needed.  I remember most in the seminar, primarily 40-50yr old Boomers, criticized it as being hawkish, and how trade with China would only lead to their democratization, all they could see was how much money could be made by a market pf 1.5 billion consumers.  When I mentioned that those 1.5 billion consumers had about $350/yr gross income, the response form one was, "They can still buy toothbrushes".

Not telling us about the virus in November could be excused as them not having confirmed they had a virus, but their actions in December, and in January after closing internal travel to and from Wuhan while not to the rest of the world, and not telling the world that is was transmittable human to human isn't, and Personally we, and the West, should treat as an act of war, and treat China accordingly.  With 24 million people out of work, likely 100-200 million between us and the rest of the West, now is the time to pull the plug on manufacturing in China, and return it domestically.   

With what GM was able to do in 11 days, converting an unused plant into manufacturing ventilators and training personal to assemble them, there is no reason why we, and Europe, can't be manufacturing everything we do in China domestically within 6 months, especially with automation.  China has been shedding manufacturing jobs to S.E. Asia and to redomestication by the West through automation for about the last 5-10yrs, which is why they have been feverishly trying to convert to tech development, something that their society is not capable of doing due to how communism kills individualism.  After almost 70yrs of communism, there isn't an individual alive in China that hasn't been conditioned to think of the hive first, which is why the Chinese do not invent, just manufacture what others do,  This is why after nearly 30yrs, Russia is nothing more than a natural resource based economy, and is part of what helped fueled the Soviet Union collapse, after those born before 1917 died off. 

If the West treats China as the hostile nation they are, and terminates trade/pulls manufacturing out of China, we will cut them off at the knees economically, and their society will devolve into civil war within months, as China's economy is built on a Ponzi scheme, and is only kept afloat by foreign investment. trade imbalances, and currency manipulation, they have no real wealth as they have spent it all on domestic development to keep their society together.

Of course whether or not we and the rest of the West wake up, and respond accordingly all depends on whether Trump wins in November, and enough like minded Reps/Senators win as well.  Trumps' economy before the Wuhan virus came along, was causing a paradigm shift in American society away from socialism, which is why the Left has been hoping the virus would ruin him, and America, the same way that WWI helped lead to the Bolshevik revolution and the end of the Tsars in Russia.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

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Of course whether or not we and the rest of the West wake up, and respond accordingly all depends on whether Trump wins in November, and enough like minded Reps/Senators win as well.  Trumps' economy before the Wuhan virus came along, was causing a paradigm shift in American society away from socialism, which is why the Left has been hoping the virus would ruin him, and America, the same way that WWI helped lead to the Bolshevik revolution and the end of the Tsars in Russia.

This pandemic will go down as one of the most devasting events in American history.

Covid-19 has already caused a paradigm shift.

This is a shock ‘n awe wake-up call for the 51%ers.

Now there is a greater push for a socialistic “fix”.

History cannot be changed.  All authoritarian lead events by a government or dictator has failed and millions of people suffered and died.

Will the 51%ers wake up and pull their brain-washed ignorant cranial masses out their anal cavities?

The evil forces are out there and will not stop in their pathetic efforts to take down Trump.

This November 3rd, will be one of the most significant turning points in the history of the world.

Trump can do this, if he doesn’t step on his Richard too many times.

God Bless America!

Gnarls.
 

[PuertoFrito]

May I add to the COVID dumpster fire?

I try to maintain a moderate view on this topic especially now that SOME Americans are going bonkers being at home. I'm from Kentucky but I live in Puerto Rico, I would say restrictions here are similar to that of California. A quick rundown of how it is... if it isn't a hospital, restaurant that can offer delivery or pickup, gas station, or pharmacy, it's closed. Everything is closed on Sunday, except for hospitals, pharmacies, and gas stations which are only allowed to sell gas, curfew from 7pm-5am. Can't even go to the beach or take a leisurely walk unless to partake in said essential business service. For a few weeks the gov't went as far to restrict license plates ending in even numbers to travel Mon, Wed, Fri and uneven numbers Tue, Thur, Sat. For a while there were more arrests made for curfew violations than positive cases. It was announced last night this will be extended until May 25th with certain industries allowed to gradually re-open (very minimal) on the 11th as well as a few other restrictions to be loosened (I'm missing some details but you get the gist... strict).
 
We are on day 40-something of quarantine, I'm a carpenter so I haven't received a paycheck since March 13 and I have not received any word from unemployment benefits. I hate wearing masks, N95, respirators, hard hats, itchy, sweaty, and hot as hell (especially in the Caribbean). But they have all been essential and often required to protect myself all the way from carpentry, ambulance rides, logging, to fighting forest fires. I am an independent contractor now so there's nobody that tells me to use PPE, however I am extremely anal about using it because I've seen older guys in these trades be totally fucked physically once they hit 40-60 years old, sometimes earlier sometimes later. This was most apparent when I worked on an ambulance in rural Kentucky and even more now working alongside other carpenters and masons on the island (PPE is not taken seriously here). I view it as a fire extinguisher or a weapon, hope I never need it (pretty unrealistic with my job) but I'm glad I have it. Or even a seatbelt, they can be annoying and I trust my abilities but not so much the abilities/awareness of others so I wear it even on short jaunts. Does this virus care if I wear a mask or not? I don't know.

I suppose what I'd like to hear is to what extent do you feel your rights are being forfeit? Do you feel in any way that it is your duty to choose the lesser of evils, given the current death toll, such as you may completely disagree with your states intervention but you think that it is for the greater good to do things such as wear a mask in public? If you believe that your state is overreacting in what ways are you combating this?

My 2 centavitos are I hate every aspect of having to stay home like this, I worry about not having an income, I want to work, I want to drive my truck on the damn beach to spots where I know there will be absolutely no one, I hate having to stand in a line to buy food (waited two hours three weeks ago), and it irks me how governments are responding. Honestly that last bit isn't surprising. Interpret all this as you like and I don't want to generalize for the rest of the population, but I'll continue to try and maintain mental fortitude and stay home as much as possible. Until push comes to shove and I need to move forward? I don't have an answer for that yet.