Topic: Scary Stuff

[Gnarly4X]

Definitely too many variables to say what’s the “best” diet. “Healthy” people die of heart attacks in their 20’s. My grandpa could probably outwork most 20 year olds but he died from a STEMI two years ago at 77. Ate right, hadn’t touched alcohol in over 40 years, seldom missed a day of work even while “retired”. People will respond differently to the same inputs. Some handle clotting better, the ability to fight infection, others are less able to manage stress  

Gnarls, If I read correctly that study only lasted 12 months and used extreme examples (overweight). It claims they were compliant but to what extent? Fat consumption down 50-87 grams per day, how was their “normal” daily amount measured? My guess at what an ancestral diet might look like would be what some refer to as Paleo, which would include most of what one of the groups was instructed to reduce  “(eat less oils, fatty meats, full-fat dairy, and nuts)”

PuertoFrito…

I accept everyone’s comments.  I just like jack you up a little. 

Snowtoy is right… processed foods are known to cause health problems… according to some researchers - that cannot be proven.

Duecie is right, ancestral DNA can affect dietary inclinations and health issues… according to some researchers - that cannot be proven.

Yes, and you are right… you can eat and be extremely healthy by all tests, standards and experts, then contract ALS and die a horrible death in 6 months.

Each person has to decide what is important and best for their well-being.  I see people at work who eat $hit food all day, have hypertension and diabetes, take 6 different prescription drugs, and waddle around with a 100 lb. butt or a fat belly that bounces off their knees when they walk.  Why would you grow a 100 lb. butt? 

Gnarls. 

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

COVID-19 WATCH....

I’ve watched the news everyday and witnessed literally dozens of “expert” scientists and doctors espouse their expertise and opinions on the Covid-19 pandemic, epidemiology, fast-track drug research, vaccines, contagion factors and death rates, etc, etc ad nauseum.  They all have a 4-line, 50-word title after their name.  There’s a problem….their opinion is either in agreement, controversial, contrary, negative, or just ignorant and invalid according to other experts.

So… what am I to believe? 

By the way, I'm still waiting to get my relief check.

Gnarls.

[gnob]

I believe that the media censoring of those in opposition of the "medias narrative" says enough.
This cv19 is nothing but a bs power move.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

I believe that the media censoring of those in opposition of the "medias narrative" says enough.
This cv19 is nothing but a bs power move.

Covid-19 pandemic has definitely spawned the greatest governmental power take-over, complete abandonment of our Constitution and Civil Rights, and an obvious socialistic push - ever in our history.

But… the Covid-19 virus is a bad-a$$ bug!

According to the CDC…

Compared to the influenza viruses, Covid-19’s mortality rate is thought to be substantially higher than most of the strains of the flu virus.

“In the U.S., from Oct. 1, 2019 – Apr. 4, 2020, the CDC estimates that 24,000 to 62,000 people died from the flu. (The CDC does not know the exact number because the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)”

COVID-19: There have been approximately 264,111 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 73,431 people have died of COVID-19, as of May 7, 2020.*

“Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.”

The question is, will the Covid-19 virus disappear like the SARS virus which started in China in November of 2002 and disappeared in May of 2003?

Or will it come back during the recurring flu season along with the flu virus and really do some damage?

Gnarls.

[gnob]

Cdc is part of the push

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

Cdc is part of the push

I AGREE

[Snowtoy]

S…

In my old crotchety self, my first reaction to your ignorant post was to rip you a new one.

As far “smugness”…. You are the epidemy of that, and you know it.

I’m familiar with the article that I think you are referring to.  You obviously didn't read it.

Believe whatever you want.  Eat whatever you want.  I don’t care.

Gnarls.

Narrator:"Having just hit "Post" and confident in his belief he had just struck a blow for righteous vegetarians everywhere, Gnarly sat back with a triumphant grin, blissfully unaware that he had just confirmed the stereotype".

The study I was referencing was from last year, that was an 18yr follow up study of 48k plus people, now in their 40's, that showed that while vegetarians had a 22% less risk of heart disease, they had a 20% higher risk of of hemorrhagic & total strokes than their meat eating counterparts, results matching other studies conducted in Japan and China.  Oddly enough, a cousin of mine who became a vegetarian in her early teens, who from the outside appeared to be the epitome of health, ran 5 miles before work each day, 10miles/day on the weekends, and ran mini marathons, suffered a stroke last year after one of her morning runs, and was just 48.  She, like those in the studies, has no history of stroke on either side of her family, her Dr.'s attributed her stroke to her diet high LDL level and activity level.  Fortunately, she has recovered, and has taken the advice to change her diet some, still refuses to eat beef, chicken or pork, but has started to eat eggs, and apparently has acquired a severe fish/seafood allergy, since her stroke, just the smell of it cooking or on a table she is eating at, will trigger a severe reaction.

Another example of a vegetarian diet not always being healthy, is that of a good friend of mine from grade school, who was raised as a vegetarian.  For him, unlike his father, it wasn't a religion, it was just a habit, and when he was out with us, he just pulled the patty out of a burger, or ordered a salad, etc.  15yrs ago, following his father's death at 60 from a massive heart attack, his wife, who wasn't a veggie, forced him to go to the Dr., he said when his Dr came in with the results of his blood work, his first words were, so when do you want to schedule your double bypass surgery.  His total cholesterol was over 300, with with his LDL level over 200.  He said his Dr. was at a loss when he told him he had been a vegetarian his whole life.  After seeing a nutritionist, they deemed his high cholesterol was due to his diet, while not eating meat, he did eat a lot of processed foods. especially during the week due to his work, a district manager.  He cut out all the processed foods, i.e. no more fast food and quick meals, most bread product, and was able to get off of meds, but his HDL levels were still too low, and like my cousin was advised to eat meat.  Since he didn't have a moral issue with eating meat, unlike my cousin, he had has gone to a hunter/gatherer diet, mainly eats fish, got big into fly fishing.

Granted, these two examples could be outliers, and their health issues could be completely attributed their genetics alone, and may have had the same issues had they been omnivores, but then again, both of their's overall health has improved by adding meat to their diets.  IMOE, going from a low fat high fiber diet to a higher natural fat, less fiber diet 8yrs ago after meeting with a nutritionist(MD), my own cholesterol levels changed for the better.

I will admit that for both diets, there is no way to prove one is better than the other, as we are unfortunately unable to conduct closed experiments on humans, however, when it comes to observational data, there is 6+million years of evolutionary data of an omnivore/carnivore diet vs about 2500 of vegetarianism, none of the great apes are pure vegetarians, gorillas are are the only ones who don't consume meat, but do eat insects, a non plant based protein, and we have indigenous hunter gatherers that have little heart related issues with the majority of their diet, like traditional Inuits, being meat.  Between the two diets, the issues with both is likely the same issue, an over reliance on carbohydrates from farmed grains and starchy vegetables, and of course the amount of processed foods, most now eat.

As far as being smug, no issue there, but unlike my gaunt vegetarian counterparts, I don't have to fear being punched in my smug face.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

Narrator:"Having just hit "Post" and confident in his belief he had just struck a blow for righteous vegetarians everywhere, Gnarly sat back with a triumphant grin, blissfully unaware that he had just confirmed the stereotype".

S…..

I thought I was the top wordy, verbose, overbearing, snarky, and sometimes sarcastic poster here!

But I think you now have top honors.

First, I love to fork with you.  You are an easy target.  You appear to read like a smart dude…. or as one of my good friends says “you’re a fart-smucker”.

Yeah…. Yeah… Yeah… your novel was all good commentary.

Bottomline….. everyone believes what they want and make their own decisions about most things in their life.

I have studied, researched, experimented, and practiced diet (among other aspects of health like immunology, virology, pharmacology, and herbology) for about 40 years.  I am no expert except in my own body.  I ran and worked out at a gym for almost 25 years.  I don’t drink alcohol, smoke, do any illicit drugs, and take zero prescription medications. 

After I lost my Mother to a rare nerve disease (of which I can have a predisposition to inherit the gene) at my young age of 25 years, I decided to educate myself on as much as I could on every aspect of my body and what I put into it.  I became very health conscious. 

Fast forward to age 69…3 years ago, I decided to try a change in diet.  After doing about 3 months of research, I decided to try a strict vegan diet to see what I’d experience.  Two main reasons, one – the unethical aspects of animal food farming and the deceptive marketing of the food industry and two – I was simply curious about the health benefits or effects.  I lost 32 lbs. and my blood pressure dropped 30 points in less than 6 months.  I felt good and my physical exams and all blood and other tests were nearly perfect according to my family doctor.  The trade off to that diet is the taste of the food and research time into foods than do not contain anything from an animal.  Many of my co-workers have asked me… “How do you like the vegan diet?” My usual immediate reply is “I don’t recommend it, it sucks, and the food tastes like crap!”.  I always get a big laugh.

After 3 years, I’ve modified my diet slightly and now trying an ovo-pescatarian diet (eggs from free range cageless chickens and wild caught fish).  I’ve been on this diet for about 3 months.  The next phase of my ongoing dieting and experimenting will be a low carb, low sugar, higher good fats diet…. like the keto diet.

I know a lot of stereotypical people.

Being a stereotype is not as bad as being ignorant.

Gnarls.

[sirdeuce]

epidemy

Gnarls.

As far as smugness, let me interject a bit of my own, it's    EPITOME.
And I always liked 'fart smeller' instead if fart jam.

[sirdeuce]

G... instead of doing a quote here. A reply to going veg itarian or an. My Brother in law did the whole vegan route in an attempt to improve his health. All it did for him was go south, cholesterol went all out of whack, blood pressure and heart rate, along with his blood sugar became unstable, bipolar would be a way to describe it. Then the Docs tried to stabilize him with chemicals, made it worse. His system, after a couple of years of this would reject anything animal based. he got fed up with the whole thing and started eating the things he ate before. After about a year of what was his normal diet, six months to eight months of that he was jacked up pretty badly, thought he was just going to croak. For the last couple of years he's been in good health, and spirits, back to his old self. Found that milk products and beef were essential for his particular physiology. Today his cholesterol is slightly high, his blood pressure is on the high side of what his Doc would want (in the 130/80 range) and he doesn't have to prick his finger multiple times a day anymore. He doesn't take the pills he used to take anymore either.

Ya can't tell people to go one way or the other, it may not work for them.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

As far as smugness, let me interject a bit of my own, it's    EPITOME.

deucie… very good!  You're a fart-smucker!

    epidemy.... Google it.  It was just a play on words. 

I didn't think anyone would recognize it and Google it.

I know what epitome means.

Gnarls. 

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

Ya can't tell people to go one way or the other, it may not work for them.

Hey deucie…

Sorry to read about your brother-in-law's bad experience.

Yeah.. if someone asks me about diet, I tell them they should do their own research and figure out what they like.

Everyone's body can be different for sure. 

The right proteins are very important to the human body, as well as the other essentials.

Natural vitamin B-12 is found in beef, fish, eggs, and dairy... all animal.  So while on a vegan diet, I supplemented B-12 and other nutrients that may not be in the non-animal foods.

Here's a short description of what our bodies need:

https://medicorx.com/nutrients-your-body-cant-make-by-itself/


Gnarls.

[sirdeuce]

 Yeah G, I just made that comment on diet as I'm bombarded by the 'ya gotta do this' people. Personally, I can't do the vegan thing, even with supplements, I have to eat meat. My wife gets a bit off without certain grains, like rice. It's noticeable in her demeanor and the way she carries herself.

Consider this bit on dietary needs. Your dietary needs change with activity levels, not just getting wild for one day, but over a period of time. I spend a lot of time at home, but when I do get back to work..... Another thing is weather. Your winter diet requires different nutrients than your summer diet. Spring and fall are the times to make adjustments, just like everything else. Vegetarian and vegan diets tend to fall short in colder weather. Don't believe me, try eating 3 strips of bacon every morning and a few ounces of red met every night next winter. Your body knows, and in the winter there are no vegetables. Goes back to the time when we had no winter agriculture. As much as noone wants to admit it, we are animals, and we are still tied to those wild roots.

[sirdeuce]

Starting (?) to lift restrictions. YAY! Let's all get together and celebrate! Everybody thinks that means business as usual, or make up for lost time. Nope, it means we should be at a precautionary level we have been practicing so far. People just don't get it. Watch as it comes back.

[gnob]

How long do you think we need to be locked down?  Seriously?

The data has pretty much summed this up as a SCAM. 
Are you first in line for the vaccine, er i mean chip. How about the box cars, food lines, etc.
This has shown nothing except its WAY past time to reclaim our country from corporate.

Please shut off MSN and try to open your mind.

[sirdeuce]

How long do you think we need to be locked down?  Seriously?

The data has pretty much summed this up as a SCAM. 
Are you first in line for the vaccine, er i mean chip. How about the box cars, food lines, etc.
This has shown nothing except its WAY past time to reclaim our country from corporate.

Please shut off MSN and try to open your mind.

I'm more of a "look at the way people behave" person. Give them guidelines and they think they can do 'just enough' to appease. If you knew mw at all you'd know I go against any authority, they're all full of it. But people (sheeple) in general only conform enough to LOOK like they're doing right. Really? I say let them all do what they want and let the disease do what it's there for, culling the weak from the herd. As for vaccines? With the exception of a flu shot, which will NEVER happen again, I haven't been stuck since I left the Army.

And, no, this quarantine thing is not a scam, it does what it needs to be done. The length of time necessary to make it effective depends on the cooperation of the people. But if you really think it's all just to control you and all this is just a rouse, go help in the medical tents, uh, without protective gear, you'll be fine. Really!

Go tell the dead and their families this is just a SCAM. I'm sure they'll find it quite comforting.

My mind is quite open, I never take anything at face value.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

I could go off on this thing for hours… I’m at the point where I cannot watch the news very long, it makes me yell and blood shoots out of my eyes!

There are four (4) main aspects of reality here.

First, Covid-19 is a bad-ass bug, no doubt.  The contagion factor and immune response is very high.  It appears to be affecting a select group – mostly adults over 65.  The flu bug effects primarily the opposite - 18 and younger.

Another aspect of reality is what our government has done.  There is no doubt that there has been a huge over-reaction.  In my opinion, fueled by their insatiable appetite for power and money - which translates into socialism or some would say communism.

We, the US population of workers are being herded down a very dangerous path!

The people need to fight back against this repression and control, and now you see it starting to happen all over the country.

This a very pivotal point in our current history.  If we allow this corrupt and ignorant (ignorant because the information they have spewed at beginning was completely inaccurate and very controversial) governmental control to destroy our civil rights and ignore our Constitution we will be forked like our society has never been forked before!

The 3rd factor is our medical professionals and scientists.  Because Trump opened up every stupid suppressed restriction to allow rapid manufacturing, research and development, the scientists, engineers, innovative American genius, will develop and find advances in pharmacology, epidemiology, vaccines, immunology, and manufacturing and production that would have otherwise taken years to decades for us to see.

And, the 4th is OUR response. The current Influenza vaccine is only, on average, 50% effective against contracting the flu bug.  Only about 37% of the population get the flu shot.

How many people will get the Covid-19 vaccine once it's developed, tested to be safe, and available?

How many businesses will forever be affected by this pandemic?

How people will stand and fight for our 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments?

Gnarls.

[Wainiha]

Lucky I live on an island more isolated than most anywhere.  And the best quote about politicians, which may have said before...

"I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and liar.  When I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops."

[sirdeuce]

Which island Wainiha?

[emsvitil]

The difference with the FLU, and why older people generally fair better is that everyone has been exposed to some strain of flu.

So everyone has some immunity to the FLU.      Varies with the strain.

The older you are, the more strains you have been exposed too,  so the more likely you'll have some immunity to the current strain going around.






So

[sirdeuce]

The difference with the FLU, and why older people generally fair better is that everyone has been exposed to some strain of flu.

So everyone has some immunity to the FLU.      Varies with the strain.

The older you are, the more strains you have been exposed too,  so the more likely you'll have some immunity to the current strain going around.






So

Also depends on your bringing up. Were you the kid mom wouldn't let get any amount of dirt on you? Or were you like me? Eat dirt, bring dead squirrels home 'cause you wanted the tails for decorating your bedroom, when you had a bedroom. Even had a few 'coon tails acting as curtains. Yep, we were so poor the germs didn't want to live with us.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

I had to go into Man Cave, my wife calls it my “the computer room” (2 computers 3 monitors and TV) and get away from Fox News.  Alan Dershowitz was on Tucker Carlson and said the government can FORCE us to get vaccinated!!  Blood almost shot out of my eyes! 

I predict that “contact tracing” WILL be in our near future. It will only take another pandemic-like outbreak.  After CT the next step on radical left-wing socialists will be forcing civilians to get “chipped” with an RFID – not unlike in the 1990 movie Total Recall. That won’t happen in the next 10 or 15 years, but it may happen in the next 25 or 30 years. 
 
The evil socialist democrats are letting hard core criminals out of prison while the guy who opens up his business to buy food for his family is arrested and put in prison!   

Unless the majority of American voter wake up, our country could end up with civil unrest, civil disobedience, and an all-out revolution with guns and ammo.

If Trump somehow manages to bring our economy back from a near-death experience, he will go down as the greatest US President in history! 

Gnarls. 

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

Is this real or fake news?

https://pro.rickards-reports.com/p/AWN_GreatDepression_0420/PAWNW508/?h=true

I love the cats cameo appearance and show of affection! 

Gnarls.

[Lewis Hein]

In re contact tracing:

One surprising fact is that contact tracing does not need to reveal your name, identity, or absolute location to anyone at all, which is a big step forward for protecting people's privacy. This, incidentally, is a mathematical statement and not a political one. Whether or not most governments will actually make attempts to preserve their citizens' privacy or will just go full Big Brother on us is a political topic (and an important one at that) but beyond the scope of this post. For those interested here is a Youtube video giving a simplified overview:

If you care to dig into a more technical angle that mentions some of the trade-offs involved:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.06818.pdf

[sirdeuce]

If anybody can remember the "conspiracy theory" of agenda 21 this all sounds familiar. One of the ways discussed to reduce the population was a fast spreading infectious agent. Agenda 21 was to be implemented by 2021(hence agenda 21). Hmmmm, coincidence? The truth is out there.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

If anybody can remember the "conspiracy theory" of agenda 21 this all sounds familiar. One of the ways discussed to reduce the population was a fast spreading infectious agent. Agenda 21 was to be implemented by 2021(hence agenda 21). Hmmmm, coincidence? The truth is out there.

https://bestlifeonline.com/true-conspiracy-theories/

Fake news, real facts, conspiracy theories, WikiLeaks, etc…..  It doesn’t really matter unless and until it affects someone personally.

Before 911 happened, like many, I was blissfully enjoying life – 4 wheeling almost every weekend, building a home, my job was fantastic, enjoying friends, frequent parties, lots of socializing.  But, I wasn’t paying attention to what was happening in rest of the world - it wasn’t directly affecting my life.

I clearly remember the morning of the 911 attack in NY and the other 2 planes.  I stood in my family room clued to the TV and stunned in disbelief.  That day was a turning point for my life, a paradigm shift.  I asked myself “What the fork is happening and WHY? And why didn’t I know something about it – geopolitics, global economics, terrorism, and evil ideology that was being perpetrated on other countries.  Yes, before 911 I got the news flashes on other countries that had terrorist bombings, but it didn’t trigger anything in my brain.

The day of 911 I started to look for answers and found more questions.  For the next 20 years I did lots of research and educated myself. One revelation in the beginning of my quest for knowledge and the truth was how many people I encountered that were ignorant, totally apathetic, and were brain-washed by academia, the media, and our own government. They were basically like me on 9-10 – preoccupied with life things.  Radical Muslim terrorism, Islamic jehad, al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, were just words in the news flashes. Even after 911 2001, I, like many people I knew, was completely oblivious to the shocking number of terrorist attacks across the globe that was happening every day. In 2004 there were about 1,000 terrorist attacks. By 2014 there were 17,000!

Who were these psychopathic blood-thirsty terrorists who want to torture and kill innocent humans and commit suicide?  By 2008 my reality check and discovering the truth was only created more questions in my mind.

How and why do so many American citizens do not know the facts and truth… simply answer: apathetically brain-washed.

During my intense debating days, reading one man’s opinion on the highly politicalized 2008 Presidential election, I was dumbfounded on how this young man, who was obviously smart and highly educated - a graduate from a very prestigious university with top honors in economics - could be so indoctrinated with radical ideology, historically proven to be wrong, and yet believed it to be true.  I have the email exchange with him, and I re-read it the other day.  That very same exchange and discourse can be overlaid on today’s pandemic only amplified 1000 times by the level of exposure of the corruption and lies that have been perpetrated on the American public.

It is way past time for the reality check that is beginning to happen to the citizens of the United States of America.

“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”

~ Albert Einstein

Gnarls.

[gnob]

I told my lady when this started ramping up, "its 9-11 part duex"
If you still think 9-11 was a Muslim terrorist attack, you aren't awake. 

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

I told my lady when this started ramping up, "its 9-11 part duex"
If you still think 9-11 was a Muslim terrorist attack, you aren't awake. 

Hey gnob… so what is YOUR conspiracy theory? 

Gnarls.

[gnob]

It was a fear based power play. Just like this is.  How many rights and freedoms were raped in the name of "safety".

So tired of the MEDIA CREATED term conspiracy theories /theorists.
Does exactly what they want, creates a knee jerk reaction and mental shutdown for the sheep.

[sirdeuce]

Don't get me started on 9/11, it's straight up B.S.. Just another false flag incident designed to manipulate the populace.