Author Topic: camber is off a bit.... (Read 3341 times)

Yota4life · « **on:** Sep 20, 2005, 11:04:45 AM »

The camber on my 84 front axle is leaning in on both sides a bit and i first noticed it when i looked at my iroks in the front and they were wearing uneaven. Iv been running 1.5" spacers with 2.5" BS wheels, 36" Iroks. I know that puts a lot of stress on wheel bearings and also the knuckles. Are my bearings just shot or could i have bent the housing? when the front is lifted off the ground i did a bearing test and the wheel moved a good amount. i noticed that when jacking the front up the camber goes straight without the wieght of the truck.

Hyena · « **Reply #1 on:** Sep 20, 2005, 07:30:22 PM »

So if you jack it up and move the tire in and out on the top and bottom it moves a lot? It isn't suppose to do that. I guess it would be a good i dea to change the bearings anyway.

Yota4life · « **Reply #2 on:** Sep 20, 2005, 07:40:27 PM »

it dosent move a whole lot but its very noticable. That movement is because of the wheel bearings being worn out right? Is there supposed to be any movement at all?

reklund5 · « **Reply #3 on:** Sep 20, 2005, 07:45:06 PM »

It could be the trunion bearings as well. Remember, the wheel bearings are on the spindle, which bolts to the knuckle, which is supported only by the trunion bearings. If they're shot, loose, incorrectly shimmed, etc... you'll end up with goofy camber and a loose wobbly feeling.

Check them out while you're there. It could be as simple as re-torquing your steering arm and lower bearing caps...

Ryan

Yota4life · « **Reply #4 on:** Sep 20, 2005, 09:09:13 PM »

It could very well be the trunion bearings. I bet they are just shot, when i take turns it sounds like the tire is being dragged and chirps the front tires. But this is the same on both sides...my iroks got warn pretty bad, the tread from the out side to the inner is at leased an 1/8" difference. I need to just tear it apart and check it out. What sucks is its my DD an i work all week

reklund5 · « **Reply #5 on:** Sep 20, 2005, 09:40:43 PM »

When/if you replace them, be sure that you replace the races too... Lotsa people just drop the bearings in because they don't wanna pull the birfs and knuckles. Just don't shortcut it- tear it all down and do it right. $Beer Chug\'n$

Ryan

Yota4life · « **Reply #6 on:** Sep 20, 2005, 09:53:44 PM »

Thanks, ill remember to do that. Is it mandatory to make sure the bearing preload is correct?

reklund5 · « **Reply #7 on:** Sep 21, 2005, 04:12:19 PM »

Yes, the preload needs to be correct for sure. Also, be sure you try to keep the bearing preload spacers more or less even on the top and the bottom. The idea is to be sure that the knucle is "centered" on the axle vertically. Too high or too low and you'll end up with sealing problems...

Ryan

Yota4life · « **Reply #8 on:** Sep 21, 2005, 06:31:47 PM »

im going to buy the rebuild kit with bearings from marlin and tear it apart this weekend, thanks for the help reklund5

reklund5 · « **Reply #9 on:** Sep 21, 2005, 08:40:48 PM »

No problem Yota...Glad to help $Beer Chug\'n$

Get the proper tools too! And go over all the trunion bearing caps and steering arms and re-torque the bolts after 100miles, and again at every oil change, and before/after every wheeling trip. Trust me, if you keep them tight, you'll have a lot less chance of breaking a stud off in the knuckle.

Ryan

Yota4life · « **Reply #10 on:** Sep 21, 2005, 09:04:08 PM »

You think the steering arms are loose and that could cause the play in them and off camber?

i just ordered the rebuild kit w/wheel bearings, the 54mm socket, bearing preload puller, low profile drain plugs, and a axle gusset from marlin

. Next is 30spline longs

Yota4life · « **Reply #11 on:** Sep 30, 2005, 07:55:43 PM »

Today i got to work on it. I jacked up the front and both sides have a good amont of play, its not from the knuckles either.Checked the knuckles and all bolts were tight. Opened the hub up and i could move the spindle, obviously why the camber is off. Removed the hub and the bearing lock nut was removed with my fingers.....

Then the inner bearing nut was also removed with my fingers...They should be torqued to 21 ft. lbs. and were not even tight at all. Im guessing over the past year they got loose. I bought wheel bearings from marlin, Should i replace them or do you think i should just torque them back down? Could they still be ok to use? These bearings in there are about a year old.

-Nathan

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #12 on:** Sep 30, 2005, 07:59:09 PM »

Id pull the bearings and inspect them at minimum and repack them. Chances are with you toofawkingmuchleverage spacer and wheel backspacing you have a bent housing too. But as I said, repack and inspect.

Yota4life · « **Reply #13 on:** Sep 30, 2005, 08:22:01 PM »

Quote from: WHITE_TRASH on Sep 30, 2005, 07:59:09 PM

Id pull the bearings and inspect them at minimum and repack them. Chances are with you toofawkingmuchleverage spacer and wheel backspacing you have a bent housing too. But as I said, repack and inspect.

Yeah i wouldnt be surprised if it is bent. Ill check the bearings and put it back together and see if its all crap still. Then if it is i will replace the housing....

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #14 on:** Sep 30, 2005, 08:29:49 PM »

You need to remember thats a helluvalotta leverage on that poor little housing. Its bad enough with either 2.5" backspaced wheels buyt add 1 1/2" spacers into the mix and it'll pretty much bend on a speed bump.

Yota4life · « **Reply #15 on:** Sep 30, 2005, 08:33:38 PM »

Quote from: WHITE_TRASH on Sep 30, 2005, 08:29:49 PM

You need to remember thats a helluvalotta leverage on that poor little housing. Its bad enough with either 2.5" backspaced wheels buyt add 1 1/2" spacers into the mix and it'll pretty much bend on a speed bump.

Yeah thats true, i might do a fj80 axle and swap the knuckles. I have a friend who did this on his and its really strong and you get that extra width. How wide are you runnin in the front?

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #16 on:** Sep 30, 2005, 08:36:14 PM »

Im running IFS hubs so Im at 58 1/2" wide with 3.75" backspaced wheels. Nothing major.

TacoRunner · « **Reply #17 on:** Oct 04, 2005, 04:41:03 PM »

with that much backspacing and a wheel spacer there is the possibility that have bent your axle houseing.

Ramrod · « **Reply #18 on:** Oct 04, 2005, 05:19:28 PM »

I am running the same wheel spacer combo as you and was getting the same dragging tire sounds and the inside was wearing out fast. It turned out my alignment was just way off. like 1.5" toe out off. I don't know how that happened or when so maybe that is your problem. just measure off of your rotors

Yota4life · « **Reply #19 on:** Oct 04, 2005, 07:14:30 PM »

Quote from: bigbluewillys on Oct 04, 2005, 05:19:28 PM

I am running the same wheel spacer combo as you and was getting the same dragging tire sounds and the inside was wearing out fast. It turned out my alignment was just way off. like 1.5" toe out off. I don't know how that happened or when so maybe that is your problem. just measure off of your rotors

Yeah im also going to check that and make sure its correct. A 1/8" toe in. It should be 1/8" from the outside of the tire right and not the rotor.Maybe 1/16" difference on the rotors?

Hyena · « **Reply #20 on:** Oct 05, 2005, 12:58:49 PM »

If you already have then new wheel bearings then it is prolly a good idea to change them anyway. Keep the old one for spares. I have had a hub come apart too. My drivers side wheel bearing nuts both came off the spindle. this then made my rotor rub on my brake pads at a bad angle. I noticed a lot of movement in that tire so i stopped. Looked at it and saw gouges in the rotor. Jacked the truck up and i could move the wheel in all different directions easily. I had to have it towed home. It ended up crossthreading the spindle nuts and spindle so i had to replace those and the rotor. But i am still running the same bearings. It has been over a year now since that happened. I thought the wheel bearings would be dead by now. I now make sure they are alwasy tight.

Yota4life · « **Reply #21 on:** Oct 05, 2005, 10:33:43 PM »

i got the new races in and bearings packed,going to cut down the dust covers then just got to reasemble it tomarrow after work and take it for a test drive. it should drive 50 times better than before

Hyena · « **Reply #22 on:** Oct 05, 2005, 10:45:19 PM »

You decided to paint it? still have the iroks?

Yota4life · « **Reply #23 on:** Oct 07, 2005, 12:04:04 AM »

Quote from: Hyena on Oct 05, 2005, 10:45:19 PM

You decided to paint it? still have the iroks?

Yeah i painted it rustoleum hammered black. Its really a metallic grey looks pretty sweet for how beat up lookin it was before. Those are another set of 35" bfgs i have that arre really worn down and i threw them on there so i woulding continue to ruin my iroks. I just finished today got it all back together and it drives way nicer. Now im going to put my iroks back on. i might "accidently" slash 2 sidwalls and have to use the 4wheelparts warrenty on the 2 messed up tires.......

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