Xtreme Flex Thread

[toy4x4ota]

Yea I was wondering the same thing, just a pull of a pin and you got 4 more inches of travel, man imagine if everything was in pin form lol.

here is a picture of my temporay set up that i was running, it worked prettly good other than one side always inverting.

that is basically the desigh that you want but the top shackle should be a little flatter than the way i had it. if/when i do it again i will have a lot longer top shackle, maybe even with a jonny joint in the end of the shackle

[Hyena]

[gotrocks]

Looking good brad.  How'd the new suspension work out for you?

[toy4x4ota]

im jealous

[Hyena]

the rear was flawless.  no problems at all.  bent a passenger side lower 2 inch .250 link.  but it wasn't bad.  actually sheared a center pin on the front on saturday night though.  well, i didn't, brittany did. 

[TurtleTappers91]

basically you can have two tabs coming down off each side fo the frame and on the out side of the shackle or leaf, drill holes in both tabs and use any sort of pin you want.  you could even put a tiny bumpstop on the bottom side of the frame for an even quiter ride. i was thinking about makind shackles and drilling a hole in the shackle so the pin would go through the shackle.

I'm gonna build a couple sets. Do I need some chevy type shackles in addition to the toyota shackles? thats what it looks like... I'm thinking of using a 6" (hole to hole) Toyota type shackle and a (stock?) chevy shackle. I think a low profile bump stop or something would work well to cushion the top shackle from bouncing off the frame all the time. I'd like to make something that works right the first time, so I don't have to fiddle with it again and again...

[94toyota4x4]

^same here

[fordh8r]

Try this...it works just fine and NO, the shackle doesn't make any noise from bumps or bouncing. The upper shackle can't leave the frame until all the weight is off it. Even on the bumpiest roads it rides like it should. The welded on U-bolt serves a double purpose. First, it doesn't allow the lower shackle to contact the frame for smooth operation. Second, it doesn't allow the shackle assembly to go over-center where the shackles will flip the other way after a full stretch. I do drive mine everyday to work and it wheels pretty awesome. these are both a lifted shackle for a Toyota and a lowering shackle for a Chevy. Good luck with building yours. 

[TurtleTappers91]

Thanks,fordh8r I think you just saved me a little work.....And I am pretty sure I need to order some 2" lowering shackles for an 88 to 200? chevy pickup...
The U-bolt thing  is a good idea.
is the "unloading"  an occurance in daily street driving?
Does it feel safe,  stable, predictable? any problems?
nice work

[94toyota4x4]

Try this...it works just fine and NO, the shackle doesn't make any noise from bumps or bouncing. The upper shackle can't leave the frame until all the weight is off it. Even on the bumpiest roads it rides like it should. The welded on U-bolt serves a double purpose. First, it doesn't allow the lower shackle to contact the frame for smooth operation. Second, it doesn't allow the shackle assembly to go over-center where the shackles will flip the other way after a full stretch. I do drive mine everyday to work and it wheels pretty awesome. these are both a lifted shackle for a Toyota and a lowering shackle for a Chevy. Good luck with building yours. 

What about high speed stuff, wont the unloading occur when the suspension travels out, like a little bit of prerunning and wont it slap the frame when it comes back up?

[fordh8r]

Thanks,fordh8r I think you just saved me a little work.....And I am pretty sure I need to order some 2" lowering shackles for an 88 to 200? chevy pickup...
The U-bolt thing  is a good idea.
is the "unloading"  an occurance in daily street driving?
Does it feel safe,  stable, predictable? any problems?
nice work

No unloading while street driving...unless of course you're doing something wrong..HAHA, otherwise it handles quite well. Stable? yes, I'm running chevies and no front sway bar, sure it leans a little in the turns but it never feels unsafe for my driving. Even get a little off camber when wheeling, no problem. The upper shackle is pretty much not even there when you're on the street. Heck, it doesn't make any noise when you're on the trail.

What about high speed stuff, wont the unloading occur when the suspension travels out, like a little bit of prerunning and wont it slap the frame when it comes back up?

If when you say high speed do you mean 100+ MPH? Then I couldn't answer that and I would say it's probably not the set up you want...then again my little truck won't go that fast...LOL. Remember the upper shackle can't come off the frame until the spring is fully unloaded (no weight) and as far as slap goes your shocks should take care of most of that and then you might consider a bumper or snubber at the frame if that isn't enough. I've been on washboard roads as fast as 35MPH which is about as fast as you get without sliding of the road and I've driven through sandy washes up to about 50+ MPH with no worries. The speed you take yours to is up to you. Hope it works for ya!

[94toyota4x4]

No unloading while street driving...unless of course you're doing something wrong..HAHA, otherwise it handles quite well. Stable? yes, I'm running chevies and no front sway bar, sure it leans a little in the turns but it never feels unsafe for my driving. Even get a little off camber when wheeling, no problem. The upper shackle is pretty much not even there when you're on the street. Heck, it doesn't make any noise when you're on the trail.If when you say high speed do you mean 100+ MPH? Then I couldn't answer that and I would say it's probably not the set up you want...then again my little truck won't go that fast...LOL. Remember the upper shackle can't come off the frame until the spring is fully unloaded (no weight) and as far as slap goes your shocks should take care of most of that and then you might consider a bumper or snubber at the frame if that isn't enough. I've been on washboard roads as fast as 35MPH which is about as fast as you get without sliding of the road and I've driven through sandy washes up to about 50+ MPH with no worries. The speed you take yours to is up to you. Hope it works for ya!

Yea I wont be doing 100+ either, bearly can get my truck up to 90, but it sounds good unless youre doing some jumping then you have absolutley no weight on the rear till it comes back down, I think a high quality shock should prevent the slap, thanks for the help, I should be doing a double shackle soon.

[TurtleTappers91]

 
that answers all my questions...
groovy, I just need to build my setup now...

[fordh8r]

Glad to hear it  .  Now get out there and build    !

[gotrocks]

Less talk more flex shots


Yeah its a jeep clip but its no more jeep than my buggy is.

[DTB]

heheehe i guess i can finally post my truck here! 

[gtoyonrocks]

Nice pics, I will have to post one of mine twisted up.

[RTA]

mine.

[rocktoy83]

 

[TurtleTappers91]

this picture is too good to keep to myself.....

[Shamb]

wouldn't consider it EXTREME but.. 

[gtoyonrocks]

nice pic, do you have a write up on your build???

[Shamb]

nice pic, do you have a write up on your build???

yup... in the sig

Check out my 1-ton build up thread
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=22600.0   

[gtoyonrocks]

sweet, thanks man.

[46&2]

Try this...it works just fine and NO, the shackle doesn't make any noise from bumps or bouncing. The upper shackle can't leave the frame until all the weight is off it. Even on the bumpiest roads it rides like it should. The welded on U-bolt serves a double purpose. First, it doesn't allow the lower shackle to contact the frame for smooth operation. Second, it doesn't allow the shackle assembly to go over-center where the shackles will flip the other way after a full stretch. I do drive mine everyday to work and it wheels pretty awesome. these are both a lifted shackle for a Toyota and a lowering shackle for a Chevy. Good luck with building yours. 

Hey man, that is a great idea. I am running a stock chevy shackle dueled with a 6" yota shackle. I have yet to have a problem with inverting them but I think I may modify my setup to be like yours just in case.

As for how dual shackles ride on the street..with the 63s, my 4runner rides better than it ever has. the dual shackle doesnt act "Crazy" on the street at all. In fact its more or less like you have a single shackle. the only time you remember you have a dual shackle is when you are flexing like a mofo offroad...

[fordh8r]

For a DD and a pretty decent wheeler I think this is a really awesome set up  . Glad to hear your enjoying yours and glad to be of help in anyway  . 

[TurtleTappers91]

Never got around to posting, because some one was complaining about this thread being too much talk and not enough flex pics. Well if its talk about how to make your rig have extreme flex, then it belongs here I think.....  but this is my double shackle setup, done a little differently than anything I have seen......(thanks fordh8r for sharing your ideas)
It is yet to cause a handling problem of any kind, but the 63's flexed so well the tire took a bite out of my wheel well and broke a bunch of plastic....Bump stops are a must for the 63's......

[Shamb]

That plate on the upper section was a bit misleading for a sec Turtletapper...

I was scratching my head thinking you welded it to the frame until I looked closer.


Check out glennon's build up.. wheeled w/ them last year at MCR.. that dual shackle setup is crazy and works well.. ALOT of flex.

his drop arm is a good 12" long so he ran a 1 link but its very stable.

[locktup]

Now this is Xtreme FLEX

[iNfErNaL]