Author Topic: Running I.F.S. (Read 26061 times)

BLACKDOG · « **Reply #60 on:** Dec 14, 2008, 04:28:49 PM »

Quote from: boggerunner on Dec 14, 2008, 04:21:03 PM

nice thing about wheeling ifs is all the cheap parts floating around from all the sas's

eMOJO · « **Reply #61 on:** Dec 14, 2008, 05:33:31 PM »

Not so many being done over here yet... it will change in the future though - with a little help from myself

boggerunner · « **Reply #62 on:** Dec 14, 2008, 07:01:53 PM »

ifs started over here in 1986 was it in 95 or newer over there?

eMOJO · « **Reply #63 on:** Dec 14, 2008, 11:31:04 PM »

Yeah was about '95 they started to introduce IFS but you could still buy a live axle '97 - the gen 4's came out in '98 and they were all IFS but the setup is the same as your 87-95 p/up so a lot of products have been developed which bolt up to our later model Lux's, mine being the last of them '04 with this set-up.

Snowtoy · « **Reply #64 on:** Dec 27, 2008, 01:30:26 PM »

Yep, we lost the first gen IFS for a better riding(little weaker) form on the 4th gens trucks and 3rd gen runners. It would have been nice had they offered both SA and IFS gen 1 here in the U.S. What axle came in the 3rd gen SA over there, the '85 and older truck, or the LC ones(FJ60's here in the U.S.)?

Snowtoy · « **Reply #65 on:** Dec 27, 2008, 10:20:07 PM »

Quote from: BLACKDOG on Nov 30, 2008, 11:21:28 AM

technical. Having IFS requires more skill from the driver. You've got to pick and choose your lines carefully.

Exactly.
I have been wheeling IFS for almost 20yrs now(I know kind of sad), and I am planning on an SAS on my '91 one soon, maybe next spring(I am currently restoring/building a Turbo Supra).

As far as breaks, other than a tie-rod end in '07 on Fordyce(after loosing my rr ARB), and the steering relay rod(recall issue) broke on another trail back in '05, I haven't broken anything else. Granted I do wheel slow and gently, but IMO you should do the same in a SA'd rig, trail side repairs are not fun whether fixing your own/someone's else, or waiting hours for broken rigs ahead of you to get moving again.

My '91 is dual cased as well, and that really makes all the difference in the world on the rocks. SA or not, dual cases are great addition, and should really be the first upgrade, even over tires.

The first run w/the duals in my '91 was on the Round-up in '07. It is kinda of rewarding seeing the looks on guys faces that are having issues in their SA'd rig when you roll by in your IFS w/o issues.

No cool action pics, the one pucker factor(standing it up on a section of Cadillac) was over w/before anyone could get a pic of it.

Unfortunately I am finding it increasingly harder to enjoy my time on the harder trails w/IFS anymore, Fordyce and Rubicon have gotten so torn up in the last 5-6yrs it is becoming more work than fun.

Yota87Truck · « **Reply #66 on:** Dec 28, 2008, 07:54:05 PM »

My suggestion if your trying to save money is to chop fenders and crank your torsion bars and a cheap lift in the rear for bigger tires. I wouldn't waste money on a IFS lift, instead I would save the money up for a solid axle swap. I don't have much money to put into my rig but that's kinda the philosyphy I have.

Like mentioned before, I do have to pick my lines better. It is still stock (except for 31's) so that also factors in a lot. But I really have to make sure I don't Flex my truck too much cause my rear end always want to slip all the power to whichever tire it can and then im screwed. I think a locker in the rear would be a great improvement too, probably selectable would be best cause its a daily driver.

Snowtoy · « **Reply #67 on:** Jan 02, 2009, 01:42:56 AM »

My '91 has a 2" BL and 1.5" ball-joint spacers, and w/about 2" cut out of the fender and beating back the body seam/firewall to the body mount, I clear the 35" Xterrains fine. the 315 BFG's I was running before rubbed under full compression.

IMO, a selectable locker is about the only way to go, regardless of being a DD or trailer queen. Granted they can cost twice as much, but being able to turn them on/off when needed makes wheeling a little more easier.

82 HiLux · « **Reply #68 on:** Jan 02, 2009, 09:19:43 AM »

Quote

IMO, a selectable locker is about the only way to go, regardless of being a DD or trailer queen. Granted they can cost twice as much, but being able to turn them on/off when needed makes wheeling a little more easier.

muddpigg · « **Reply #69 on:** Jan 02, 2009, 11:56:42 AM »

I've wheeled mine for the 2yrs I've had this truck I'm locked, geared, and dual ultimate t-cases. I don't have the big rocks here but lots of trails with a fair mix and I can out wheel less built SFA trucks. Front flex sucks and the tripod thing well I've had to pull seat cushion out of my 4th point of contact. Sliders are definately a must. I find my wheeling is more limited by the amount of body damage I'm willing to take than where my truck can go. SAS is on the horizon but not under the front yet.

Mind the CV shaft angles as that will get you in trouble.

eMOJO · « **Reply #70 on:** Jan 02, 2009, 08:55:51 PM »

Quote from: Snowtoy on Dec 27, 2008, 01:30:26 PM

Yep, we lost the first gen IFS for a better riding(little weaker) form on the 4th gens trucks and 3rd gen runners. It would have been nice had they offered both SA and IFS gen 1 here in the U.S. What axle came in the 3rd gen SA over there, the '85 and older truck, or the LC ones(FJ60's here in the U.S.)?

Our gen 3's came out with the LC axles? with the extra bracing... pre 85's were not strong enough in stock form IMO

steveco. · « **Reply #71 on:** Jan 07, 2009, 09:31:58 PM »

i'm writing this not reading the whole post.

check out Total Chaos or Camburg Performance for some great IFS long travel kits.. when you replace your CV it'll be with Tundra CV's. great kits. beat the crap out of both of them. typical wheel travel is 13inches but they both have race kits that put out farther than that. i used to work for a fab shop and we got about 20inches out of a taco long travel IFS that we built. it may not be prefered in the rock crawling community but it sure is in the offroad racing community..

just my

www.Chaosfab.com

www.Camburg.com

eMOJO · « **Reply #72 on:** Jan 08, 2009, 02:04:57 AM »

These are nice kits, but for the cost I would rather SAS my truck... with the wider front wheel track was the rear of taco widend to suit?

steveco. · « **Reply #73 on:** Jan 08, 2009, 01:40:32 PM »

you don't have to. but for the "bling" factor most people do. usually the rear end would be replaced by a race ford 9-inch and built housing. i'll try to get some pics up later tonight of the one kit we built.

eMOJO · « **Reply #74 on:** Jan 09, 2009, 05:24:09 AM »

Schweet 8)

beyondlogic · « **Reply #75 on:** Jan 09, 2009, 06:21:56 AM »

does the chaos fab kit give any lift? i dont see it mentioned so i would assume no, but just wondering.

94MtnYote · « **Reply #76 on:** Jan 09, 2009, 12:55:19 PM »

thought I remember it being around 3'' of lift for the 4 wheel drive pickups.

steveco. · « **Reply #77 on:** Jan 09, 2009, 03:34:28 PM »

most give a lift of about 4" but all of that can be tuned since you'd be running coil-overs. here are some pics of the set-up that we built. sorry don't have a finished pic of the whole thing. ended up being a full-blown race truck..

out of this setup we got about 20" of travel but strapped it at 18". all metal work and tubing is 4130 chromo. 18" dual-rate coil-overs were used.

eMOJO · « **Reply #78 on:** Jan 10, 2009, 03:05:22 AM »

Damn thats wide... in the front anyway

steveco. · « **Reply #79 on:** Jan 10, 2009, 02:43:04 PM »

yea thats a norm. i believe it was about 4.5" wider per side.. for Ford Rangers it's even wider.. since they have I-Beam Suspension

dntsdad1 · « **Reply #80 on:** Jan 11, 2009, 11:28:19 AM »

for that money i would rather SAS

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #81 on:** Jan 11, 2009, 11:50:00 AM »

I couldn't agree more, if you're going to spend that kind of money SAS it.

82 HiLux · « **Reply #82 on:** Jan 11, 2009, 12:48:19 PM »

you cant really compare that tacoma to a SAS. thats for racing, a SAS is for wheeling. that tacoma is sick as flopp, id drive that truck any day.
but, id still rather have a straight axle under my truck

steveco. · « **Reply #83 on:** Jan 11, 2009, 07:02:15 PM »

yea can't have 4wd with that kinda number of travel..

Snowtoy · « **Reply #84 on:** Jan 11, 2009, 09:33:20 PM »

There was a small company a few tears back that had a long travel kit for IFS. If I can find the pic of the kit being used on the Rubicon I will post it. In the pic the bottom of the tire on the drivers side is either at or above the cross member under full compression.

82 HiLux · « **Reply #85 on:** Jan 12, 2009, 12:32:22 AM »

i wouldnt mind building a ranger prerunner with a 302 and detroit locker

steveco. · « **Reply #86 on:** Jan 12, 2009, 04:47:47 PM »

Quote from: Snowtoy on Jan 11, 2009, 09:33:20 PM

There was a small company a few tears back that had a long travel kit for IFS. If I can find the pic of the kit being used on the Rubicon I will post it. In the pic the bottom of the tire on the drivers side is either at or above the cross member under full compression.

your probably thinking about Donahoe racing who later became Icon motorspots..

rangers are a lot of fun with a V8..

Snowtoy · « **Reply #87 on:** Jan 12, 2009, 08:32:39 PM »

The kit was made by a company called West Coast Off-Road(no longer in business).
Here are a few action pics
Pic 1
Pic 2

eMOJO · « **Reply #88 on:** Jan 14, 2009, 05:05:31 AM »

Now that's impressive, not as wide as the other one... what sort of CV's would that truck be running?

beyondlogic · « **Reply #89 on:** Jan 14, 2009, 07:53:52 AM »

the total chaos kit runs the cv's from a t100

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