full width

[yota_krawler]

Did I EVER say that toy axles were not strong enough? NO I did not.

I am talking about WIDTH, NOT STRENGTH. Yes a strong axle is good but I have seen people run 44s and havent broke anything... I know how strong toy axles are and what can be done to them etc.

Where the hell did, "You just need to keep your truck and wheel your " come from, I dont know. If I could go to the con, I would. If I could go to the hammers, I would. I just dont talk , I really do want to go. It just seems like I cant get my in a line so I am ready.

[ToYocRawleR]

If you want the width get a diamond front housing with custom longs and run a rear taco axle...Thats what id do......

Actually that is what i plan to do onces i find a decent runner for a good price. 

[Doof]

toy axles are fine with a runner.... just get 2" BS wheels and youll be as wide as you need to be. my width is tits, ive never felt to narrow and ive gotten my flexed out really good a few times and i had all 4 tires planted

[yota_krawler]

thank you AJ thats what I wanted to know

[Doof]

what the flop haunter

[yota_krawler]

lol

I still am debating on what to do. I guess just wait and see

I might do mini but cut it apart and widen it with a taco rear axle Or somthing

[yota_krawler]

or how about 5inch spacers on each side on all four corners

[AaronB]

or how about 5inch spacers on each side on all four corners

[yota_krawler]

it was a joke...

[88_Pathy]

X2 on the diamond, it seems to be the best option. Lots of clearance and enough strength.  Taco rears are relatively cheap also. 

[Thomas P]

are taco rears any tougher than an ifs rear end?

[yota_krawler]

I actually thought they were weaker

[Birfailed]

dana 44 and 12/14 bolt= poo poo, dont buy those axles for a puny ass 4cyl motor that cant hardly push the piles up the hill, instead of buying them, take that money and buy longs and have super light axles your motor can handle (i know its gonna be street driven) and it will be as strong as a 60, minus the r&p, but you can take the extra money you save from not having to build the gay ass full sized crap and get some cryoed r&p's and be big pimpin, i doubt your 100 HP 22re can faze them, as far as 60's go yeah theyre big and bad but are they practical in your case??


anyways good luck with the runner cuz, and i will post up our pics tomorrow

Let's backtrack.  "As strong as a 60 except the R&P".  Well that does alot of flippin good huh?  I guess it really isn't as strong as a 60 then.  Instead of tearin down one side and doin a shaft, you now have to tear the whole damn thing to a bare housing to get to the R&P...Sweet dude, sweet.

[IronClad]

screw all the haters  run a 10bolt/12bolt if you can get them for real cheap.  i got a pair for 50 bucks.  stuck some gears in them and welded both carriers and beat the ever lovin piss out of them.  ended up toasting the rear end by bending the housing after huge dropoffs + welding and re welding crap onto it.   cut the gears and axle shafts out of the housing and they are still being ran in a different truck.  Have a 10 bolt front in my truck still. also been beat to hell and back. Have only broken one shaft and sent the pinnion into the carrier a few times by losing  the pinion nut and main pinion bearing. also tore a carrier apart from being welded in a weird way to allow some slip and it  STILL has the same gearset i installed in it the first time.

All being ran on 38-40" tires and welded front/rear  in the rocks/snow/mud.  Id run a 44/10bolt front any day over toyota crap because when it breaks and it will ( toyota)  atleast i can move my truck and i dont have to fish around in grease and cut the hell out of my hand digging the chunks out.

Take it from someone who actually HAS ran those axles. They ARE STRONG  sure they are no dana 60  but neither is a toyota axle no matter how much money you throw into it.

[yota_krawler]

what is the so called recomended years for 44s and 12bolts?

[bigarms23]

 my d44 was out of a 72 wagoneer and my 12 bolt was front a 85 blazer

[Thomas P]

Let's backtrack.  "As strong as a 60 except the R&P".  Well that does alot of flippin good huh?  I guess it really isn't as strong as a 60 then.  Instead of tearin down one side and doin a shaft, you now have to tear the whole damn thing to a bare housing to get to the R&P...Sweet dude, sweet.

thats why i said it would be as strong as a 60, EXCEPT the R&P, never said it was as strong, and hes only gonna be running a 22re, some cryoed gears would make it stronger than he needed, what he doesnt need is a ton of weight driving it to the trails and around town, the $1000 he would spend on a STOCK dana 60 should make  it comparable in strength to a 60 with a lot less weight, not to mention he would still have to build the thing

[yota_krawler]

So I have been thinking it over and I am probably going to run a 44 front and a 12bolt rear. I want the width, the strength is there, and the cost is relatively inexpensive.

I did some research last night and was mainly looking for chromo's, I found some. So I clicked on the little icon and read all about them. Then towards the bottom it said "customers who purchased said item, also purchased..." and it listed 5:38 gears, a rebuild kit, and a lockrite. So I added it all and It was about $685. To run a locker in the front of a toyota axle you have to buy chromos too, plus you need gears, and the locker. So IMO it seems a good way to go.


69-80 Gm Dana 44 4340 chromoly 19spline outer/30 spline inner axle kit. Kit includes Spicer 5-760x U-Joints. KIT'S IS COMPLETE PASSANGER/DRIVER INNER/OUTER KIT WITH JOINTS AND FULL CIRCLE CLIP'S! This kit is 40% stronger over stock. under $320

Dana 44 Ring Gear Diameter: 8.5 Pinion Shaft Diameter: 1.375" Ring Gear Bolts: (10) RH Thread 3/8" X 24 Pinion Splines: 26 Cover Bolts: 10 ALL PORC RING & PINION'S CARRY A LIFETIME WARRENTY AGAINST MANUFACTURED DEFECTS! under $115

Dana 44 LockRite locking differential for under $250

[yota_krawler]

For the rear, Clip eliminators, gears, and a spool

[THK Matt]

sounds like you got it dude.

get on it

[yota_krawler]

oh I am on it, I just need the runner, SAS kit, axles. and the build is ON!

[Duffil]

To run a locker in the front of a toyota axle you have to buy chromos too, plus you need gears, and the locker. So IMO it seems a good way to go.

that has to be the dumbest thing I've read today. cromoly axles are only a requirement if you are stupid with the skinny pedal, or you can't drive. i've got a buddy with an 85, welded front and rear. Stock axles for the last 8 years. He isn't a throttle junkie and he is on 35s.

Birfs only really blow at high steer angles or while bound up.

edit: of course with larger tires they are a requirement. bring on the 40s.

[Thomas P]

"To run a locker in the front of a toyota axle you have to buy chromos too, plus you need gears, and the locker. So IMO it seems a good way to go. "

if you go dana 44 you have to buy all the same stuff........ and the axle   

[82 HiLux]

but its wider!

[THK Matt]

if you are wanting the advantages of a wider axle.

you can achieve some of that by inboarding the springs.... creates more leverage on the axles.... more flex.
I believe thats right... from what I have read.

[yota_krawler]

i've got a buddy with an 85, welded front and rear. Stock axles for the last 8 years. He isn't a throttle junkie and he is on 35s.

That is fantastic, good for him. Everything is bound to failure. I know it is all in how you drive, but there is always those situations that you need the throttle. You cant use it cause you are scared to blow a birf. Everyone has different driving styles. I am not hard on mine but if I need to be, I am not afraid to be. I have read that toyota is just as strong as a 44. But the width is not there. I want to be stable.

[yota_krawler]

"To run a locker in the front of a toyota axle you have to buy chromos too, plus you need gears, and the locker. So IMO it seems a good way to go. "

if you go dana 44 you have to buy all the same stuff........ and the axle  

I would still have to buy an axle either way.

[yota_krawler]

but its wider!

[yota_krawler]

You can justify everything. "why go toyota when you can do a 44 and 12bolt, why go 44 and 12bolt when you can do 60s, why do 60s when you can run 60/70, why go 60/70 when you can go 2 1/2 ton rockwell, why go 2 1/2 ton rockwell when you can go 5 ton rockwell".

It has to end somewhere.

[THK Matt]

You can justify everything. "why go toyota when you can do a 44 and 12bolt, why go 44 and 12bolt when you can do 60s, why do 60s when you can run 60/70, why go 60/70 when you can go 2 1/2 ton rockwell, why go 2 1/2 ton rockwell when you can go 5 ton rockwell".

It has to end somewhere.

that is very true!