Colorado

[Volcom]

Everywhere you read on the off-road forums, people say not to winch with a recovery strap (straps that stretches slightly) and that you should use a "static" straps that doesn't stretch as a winch extension.

Here's a thread talking about a couple companies color coding their straps.
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f27/finally-new-safer-approach-tow-snatch-straps-982599/

My big question is why can't you winch with a recovery strap?  I've actually done it several times with my 30,000lb recovery strap with no ill effects.  I understand that having the recovery strap stretch isn't ideal while winching but it's a minimal amount.

I have also linked 2 recovery straps with a big shackle (15,000lb WLL d-ring) to access a decent winching point.  I guess that practice is also not suggested.

[Volcom]

Greeley, CO here

Welcome!  What do you drive?

[COToy91]

Everywhere you read on the off-road forums, people say not to winch with a recovery strap (straps that stretches slightly) and that you should use a "static" straps that doesn't stretch as a winch extension.

Here's a thread talking about a couple companies color coding their straps.
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f27/finally-new-safer-approach-tow-snatch-straps-982599/

My big question is why can't you winch with a recovery strap?  I've actually done it several times with my 30,000lb recovery strap with no ill effects.  I understand that having the recovery strap stretch isn't ideal while winching but it's a minimal amount.

I have also linked 2 recovery straps with a big shackle (15,000lb WLL d-ring) to access a decent winching point.  I guess that practice is also not suggested.

AS far as i am concerned your strap is static. Everything will stretch a little when tension is put on it. Maybe they are referring to snatch straps that load and recoil to pull a vehicle out.

With that said i have used my 30,000 strap to winch off of, but I also have a tree strap for winching....

[yotanation]

A 90 4runner. Love the car.... Wish I wasn't a broke college student so I could get some money into her. But hopefully soon Ill have enough saved up

[Volcom]

I last drove my 4Runner about 5 months ago. Ran great, no problems, started everytime. The rebuild maybe has 3000-4000 miles on it. Parked it in the garage and haven't started or drove it. I added an AC compressor for OBA but don't have it hooked up to power or switch (made sure to hook ground back to AC bracket though). Tryed to get some fab work done today and it wouldn't start

It cranks over but won't fire. Getting code 11.

Everything appears to be plugged in (never unplugged anything 5 months ago until now). Hooked it up to a battery charger with a 40 amp quick charge to help start it. I also borrowed a friend's 86 4Runner and swapped known good computer, coil, coil wire, and ignitor. It still didn't start.

* Computer is hooked up

* Checked every fuse in the driver's side fuse block, no blown fuses

* Checked fuses in black plastic box on passenger side of engine.

* Swapped relay with 86 4Runner

* Jumpered fuel pump with wire, can hear fuel pump running and fuel around the fuel rail

* Disconnected battery & removed EFI fuse to reset code, still gets code 11 after cranking

* Pulled banjo bolt at cold start, fuel came out. Cranked and lots of fuel came out.

* Sprayed starting fluid in intake tube, reinstalled & tighted non-cracked intake tubes and no start on the fluid

* Sprayed starting fluid in intake manifold, no start

* Made sure I could move AFM with fingers and tried moving it while cranking, no start

* Pulled one spark plug, looked fine.

* Hooked up spark plug and held against ground, could see spark while cranked

* Did the same with the coil wire against a ground, visable spark

* Battery is at 12.48 volts

* It cranks over but never fires. It cranks like something is unhooked.

I don't have an EGR valve anymore or assoicated EGR vaccum hoses (ran fine without it 5 months ago). I'm pretty much out of ideas. Never dicked with the TPS or AFM since it ran fine 5 months ago. I was hoping to get a rear bumper built but instead I got to richard with it not starting for 7 hours with my dad.

[854RUN]

may be the solenoid resistor for your injectors

check this out also: http://www.yotatech.com/51224581-post12.html

[Volcom]

may be the solenoid resistor for your injectors

check this out also: http://www.yotatech.com/51224581-post12.html

Thanks for the link! 

If it was the injectors, it should have started on starting fluid though.  If it comes down to it, I will check the wiring for the injectors.

[854RUN]

what about the distributor? i know you said you checked the spark but is maybe to advanced or retarded. maybe plug wires going to the wrong cylinder, like a buddy messing with you?  I would also check the big metering vacuum hose under the T/B for your ideal , it might be cracked or loss.

[Volcom]

Grounded the block & under the intake to the battery using a jumper cable.  I also pulled all 4 spark plugs (they didn't look bad at all) and squirt a little oil in each cyl.  It tired to fire a couple of times rather than just cranking but still didn't start. 

I also tried some starting fluid in the airbox.  That didn't work either.  I bought some new starting fluid, my stuff is a couple of years old.

what about the distributor? i know you said you checked the spark but is maybe to advanced or retarded. maybe plug wires going to the wrong cylinder, like a buddy messing with you?   

Do distributors go bad?  I haven't touched it since I build the truck 3.5 years ago.  I might have to try spinning it see if that helps to get it started.

Nobody but me has touched the truck, so no pranks by friends or anything like that.

[854RUN]

ya the cap and rotor can get worn out and the electronics that are inside of the distributor can go bad, brake ect.

did you test the ohms for AFM or swap it? back in the day when i did a 22re swap i got spark and fuel but it would not start, turned out to be a bad AFM

[Volcom]

I plan on buying a new cap & rotor and spark plugs tonight (even though they all looked fine   ).  Gotta love throwing $$$ at something that drove perfect 5 months ago.

[coloradocrawler]

I plan on buying a new cap & rotor and spark plugs tonight (even though they all looked fine   ).  Gotta love throwing $$$ at something that drove perfect 5 months ago.

are you getting that all crank no start issue fixed? ive read the posts on pirate about it. wish i was experienced enough to help ya. hows this----is the battery in the truck?
my 2cents involve grasping at straws so ill shut up.
good luck

[Volcom]

are you getting that all crank no start issue fixed? ive read the posts on pirate about it. wish i was experienced enough to help ya. hows this----is the battery in the truck?

Still an issue.  I'm out of ideas.

The battery is fine, I've been hooking it to a 40 amp quick charger while I crank on it.  I can also switch it to a 200amp starting charge if need be.  At 40 amp, it helps spin the start pretty good.

[coloradocrawler]

lets hope this isnt gonna stop you from going to the CO4runner Jamboree.

you know i just thought- now remember Im a noob but im still gonna throw this out there. you said parked for 5 months and full fuel tank? hows the condidtion of the fuel? 5 months isnt really that long to break down the gas but.........
as i readyour posts im going through my haynes just to see what everyones suggesting and learning.......

[Volcom]

lets hope this isnt gonna stop you from going to the CO4runner Jamboree.

It better not, I've been looking forward to it for a year now.

you know i just thought- now remember Im a noob but im still gonna throw this out there. you said parked for 5 months and full fuel tank? hows the condidtion of the fuel? 5 months isnt really that long to break down the gas but.........
as i readyour posts im going through my haynes just to see what everyones suggesting and learning.......

I added some Stabil gas additive to the last tank.  Gas should still be good.

[854RUN]

any new on getting it started? i know you said you did not f with the tps but did you check it?

[Volcom]

any new on getting it started? i know you said you did not f with the tps but did you check it?

No luck yet.  I might swap the TPS for a known good one to see if it helps.

[uglyota]

problem's spark, right?  since it won't even fire on starting fluid?  Assume you've checked extensively for mouse nibbling?  Corrosion in the ICM?  Maybe run the FSM tests on the pick-up coil inside the dizzy?  If that doesn't send a signal the icm won't fire.  I'm leaning toward something igniter-related.  Ooh also maybe stuck relay...run the tests on the tophat looking one under the kick panel, and the main efi relay that's behind the glovebox.  Worst case maybe a corroded computer?  Good luck!

[Volcom]

problem's spark, right?  since it won't even fire on starting fluid?  Assume you've checked extensively for mouse nibbling?

Yup, tried again last night with a fresh can of starting fluid.  Not even close to a turn over, just cranks.  I looked everywhere and couldn't find any signs of mouse. 

Corrosion in the ICM?

ICM?  Ignition control module aka the ignitor?  I swapped the coil & ignitor with a known good one from an 86 22RE.  No luck.

Maybe run the FSM tests on the pick-up coil inside the dizzy?  If that doesn't send a signal the icm won't fire.

That's a good idea, will check it out.

I'm leaning toward something igniter-related.  Ooh also maybe stuck relay...run the tests on the tophat looking one under the kick panel, and the main efi relay that's behind the glovebox.

I'll check out both of those relays.  I changed out the relay in the black fuse box on the passenger side fender area near the battery.  No luck.

Worst case maybe a corroded computer?

Swapped with a known good ECU as well, no turning over.

Good luck!

I need it!!!  Gotta get this thing running so I can get a bumper made and painted before the 4Runner Jambo.

[uglyota]

I missed in your original post that you were getting spark.  That's really weird.  I would probably step through the basic diagnostics again just to be sure.  Confirm strong spark at all cylinders, and stick a finger in the plug holes while turning it over and see if fuel is getting in the cylinder, if spark or fuel is missing, step your way back and figure out where the problem is.  If they're both there the motor should run.  Maybe listen to the injectors and see if they are clicking?  If they're not, use a test light or borrow a noid light and see if they are getting signal.  What is code 11 on your truck?

[boggerunner]

timing chain skip a tooth?  check the timing, pull the valve cover and rotatr the motor over to 0 degrees on the crank pulley.   and the pin holding the cam gear on should be top dead center

[Volcom]

Got it running tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It was the rotor     Replaced it with a new one and tried to start it.  It finally tried to fire.  Took a while to get it to fire all the way over but once it did, it ran great.  Took it out for a 15 minute drive, it's good to go.

Thanks for all the help and advice everyone!!

[854RUN]

Got it running tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It was the rotor       Replaced it with a new one and tried to start it.  It finally tried to fire.  Took a while to get it to fire all the way over but once it did, it ran great.  Took it out for a 15 minute drive, it's good to go.

Thanks for all the help and advice everyone!!

thats great to hear now go build the bumper lol 

[coloradocrawler]

congrats bud.

[wakkjobb]

Now that it's running you'd better save up for that 5VZ-FE swap... and a TRD 'charger, eh? 

(me too)
>>Dan

[Volcom]

Now that it's running you'd better save up for that 5VZ-FE swap... and a TRD 'charger, eh? 

(me too)
>>Dan

One of these days.  Behind the 1 ton axles & 42's though.

[854RUN]

5vz-fe and a S/C now that would be sweet, oh wait lol

[Mega Baby Huey]

COLORADO!!!!! WOOT WOOT!!!

Montrose... even though nobody knows where it's at...

[boggerunner]

montrose is good, a few good trails there

[Mega Baby Huey]

montrose is good, a few good trails there

yeah... i love wheelin there. i'm in idaho for school but when i get back i can't wait to hit some trails!