Topic: HILUX 2.8D MARLIN HELP!!!!!!

[klunk]

Hy guys, its a pleasure for me to have found a community mostly dedicated to Toyota, i'm a new member, from italy and i really need your help.

Now i'm in sudan, my companies gave me a toyota hilux 2.8D, i want to buy from my company the car when i finish here my job, and i want to make an expedition trough the desert to bring the car in italy.
The problem is that i want to modify the car, but i cannot understand if parts and kit for tacoma can be used for the hilux.
I tell you frankly, i'm completely a begineer, looking in internet i have seen lot of things, but i'm not able to say if they are suitable for my car.
The only things i have understood, is that my car got torsion bar in front. And maybe, the conversion kit i have seen in Marlin shop to put solid axle in front can help me to transform the car........but i dont know.
My intention is to lift the car, change the suspension with heavy duty one, put air locker etc etc....to do all the work i need to do to be sure that the car can run 6000 chilometer into the desert.
I attach here pictures of the car, and particular of front suspension.

PLEASE HELP ME.   

Thanks in advance for any reply.
Andrea "klunk" 

[toynorcal]

Felice avete unito il luogo. Sto indovinando che il vostro automobile è un azionamento delle quattro rotelle poiché avete accennato la barra di torsione. Così darvi un'idea di che cosa state guardando per convertire il vostro camion in qualcosa come quello nell'altra immagine qui è che cosa dovrete fare... Il camion che desiderate nell'immagine ha un asse anteriore solido ed il vostro ha sospensione anteriore indipendente. La sospensione anteriore così intera dovrà essere rimossa e tagliare via dalla struttura. Dovrete comprare un asse solido da un più vecchio modello per installare. Il marlin offre buon quel di disegno della sospensione del rimontaggio gli impianti molto bene per la strada e fuori di uso della strada   http://www.marlincrawler.com/trailflex.html   Per utilizzare le più grandi gomme con il vostro motore che corrente dovrete installare gli ingranaggi più bassi nei vostri differenziali. Più grande la gomma, più bassa la riduzione dell'ingranaggio deve essere.   http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/products/manufacturer.asp?cat=DRI&man=DETL&prodline=DETL&catName=Drivetrain  Suggerisco per mezzo delle gomme da 35 pollici con questo corredo dell'elevatore che i mezzi voi desidereranno per utilizzare 4.88 ingranaggi o per abbassare 5.29   http://www.marlincrawler.com/3rd_tacoma.html    Se desiderate installare un armadio nella parte posteriore per trazione migliore mentre per mezzo della rotella quattro guidi le offerte de Detroit il più forte. Allora tutta che abbiate bisogno di è più grandi gomme 35 pollici e le rotelle per metterle sopra il vostri camion e sono pronte a giocare!   http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/packages/seeAll.asp?cat=TIR   Il camion nel vostro costo dell'immagine circa 10000 dollari da costruire. Spero che questo senso sia più poco costoso per voi e buono anche. Spero che questo italiano non sia troppo difettoso. Risponda prego in inglese in modo da tutto può aiutare con le idee per voi.

  

[toynorcal]

This will help give you an idea of how much work it is going to be. http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=10538.60
Good luck!

Had to edit this, should be a good link now.

[klunk [OP]]

Toynorcal hi, first i had to say thanks for your info, second i had to say that i'm really worried about the modification to do for the following reason:

- I'm in Sudan, the car like told before is here, i'm not sure to be able to find a Ferrari Mechanic to ask him the favour to help me 
- I'm not scared to cut weld, adjust, i'm a superintendant for Refinery works, i work everyday with steel pipes and so on....im worried only because i have never work like this,surely i had to do all myself, i can do it....but only with clear instruction step by step.
-you think that Marlin can prepare for me a shop list? All the equipment and accessories i need to buy to be sure to have everithing here? here is also difficult to find a shop to buy a nut.
I have a couple of question:
-The process is irreversible, isnt it?
-I have understood that IFS have something to do with indipendent axle, but what really IFS means?
-I can install ARB lockers instead Detroit? In term of durability, are different?
-The car so modified can support a load of 800 Kg trough the desert?

Thanks again for any reply.
Sincerly,
Andrea "klunk"

[toynorcal]

Non desidero scoraggiarlo. Ma suona come voi dovrebbe attendere per fare il lavoro sul vostro camion fino a che non otteniate di nuovo all'Italia se non ci sono buoni meccanici o depositi della parte nel Sudan. Se questo è il vostro soltanto automobile non potete potere fare questo uno. Il lavoro inscatolerà l'introito voi più di 3 settimane per completare. Se siete sicuri desiderate farli là. Qui è come a faccia la conversione ed il Marlin offre un corredo.   
http://www.marlincrawler.com/sas_instructions.html

Allora vi risponda domande.

 - Il processo è rovesciabile. Ma con tutto il montaggio che dovrete fare l'automobile non ripeterà mai come nuovo. Inoltre molto costoso cambiarlo indietro. Non ho sentito parlare mai chiunque che cambia indietro. Qualche cosa è possibile.
 
- IFS (Independent Front Suspension / Sospensione Anteriore Indipendente) è che cosa la maggior parte di nuovi automobili hanno oggi. Vi dà un giro più comodo perché le gomme anteriori riguarderanno il fondo stradale verso l'esterno di cambiare il senso che l'altra gomma sta funzionando. Un asse solido è preferito su la maggior parte dei nostri azionamenti delle quattro rotelle a causa di quanto più forte è.

- ARB’S sia molto buono e molta gente li usa. L'unica cosa difettosa circa loro è che ci sono più da rompersi. Hanno le linee di aria esterne che possono ottenere tagliare e guarnizioni che possono guastarsi. È una decisione personale per me per non usarlo.

- Se modificate il vostro automobile come questo esso non sosterrà bene i carichi. La sospensione sarà troppo molle. Non suggerirei un carico sopra 100Kg.

[klunk [OP]]

Thanks again for your reply,

ONLY 100 KG?          

!!!   

haw can i lift the car and at the same time put heavy duty coil? 

Andrea, klunk

PS why you dont write in englsh? 

[toynorcal]

Because italian is fun   

If you need it to hanlde a heavy load, you aren't going to get as much lift as that pictue of the black truck. You may want to start looking into Fabtech, Skyjacker, and Superlift. They all make a decent lift for your truck that won't require a Solid Axle Swap. Then to accomodate the heavier loads the only adjustment you would have to make is to buy some heavy duty leaf springs for the rear. Something with a higher load capacity. However that is going to make your truck ride VERY rough and it won't reach full potential off road.

[BUDDERS]

It it just me, or does his front suspension look like a Taco without the coilovers?  It's nothing like we have in the States so I seriously doub that Skyjaker or fagtech has a lift for this.   Sorry to be such a downer, I really would like to see your truck with a sweet lift under it.  I would vote for a SAS.

[79coyotefrg]

Thanks again for your reply,

ONLY 100 KG?

!!!

haw can i lift the car and at the same time put heavy duty coil?

Andrea, klunk

PS why you dont write in englsh?

:haha;  yea i was thinkin the same thing klunk   like toynorcal said  the IFS stands for independent front suspention, only he can spell  anyway  can you locate a a older hilux or landcruiser with the solid front axle so you can take the needed parts from it?  this would be your best bet, looking at your setup you might could use tacoma coil overs attached to the solid axle from a Lc since some had the coil springs,  but if you find one with leaf springs just grap the springs axle and shackles along with the steering components,  using some custome leaf springs,  im talking some you make ,not from a kit, find a 2wd truck that has the springs mounted under the rear axle and get those springs and combine them and your springs together to make a spring that will support the 800KG, thats about 1600 lbs   i think,  not a problem with the right combo,  infact if you find a 1 ton rated toyota ,and im sure you can, get the heavy springs from one of them

Man-a-fre can help you the best, or Old Man EMU

[79coyotefrg]

in fact a FJ55 pickup would be your best choice for a parts truck

[sloyota]

put a solid axle in the front..it's a lot more work and money,but in the end you will be much happier that you spent the time and money.and it's 10 times better off road and stronger.good luck with your project and keep those question coming....

[klunk [OP]]

Hi guys, thanks for the option, i start to have a picture about what i can do....but still need your help to take a decision, to built a custum is not a bad idea, thanks 79coyotefrg, you gave me aother important informations, but do you know if someone tried this before.....i mean....i will be the first to do this "experiment"? I tell you frankly,i cannot risk to start the work and than find that something wrong or dont fit.
i'm not in italy, here in sudan is not easy to find parts,even if i agree with you that i can find here toyota one ton.....here all the car are toyota, and if i'm right, i have understood what is the one ton...i will take a picture of it...
As i wrote before....i need a shop list, can you help me? i will finish the work here in three....maybe four months, i had to start to find the parts and wathever i need now....i cannot wait...........
really i think that i will able to modify the car, but i had to think also about the load:

250 liters of diesel------------->200kg
200 liters of water------------->200kg
front bullbar with winch--------------->100kg
rear bar with winch--------------------->100kg
Spare tires---------------------------------->50kg
Food------------------------------------------>50kg
Accessories---------------------------------->99,9 kg
one pair of clean underware----------->0,1kg

                             TOTAL---------->800kg
I FORGOT MYSELF!!!!!!------------------>90kg
                       NEW TOTAL-------->890kg 

PLEASE HELP, I NEED DETAILS HOW TO BUILT IT !!!!!!!

Andrea"klunk"
 

[klunk [OP]]

i forgot.....anybody knows email address of MarlinCrawler? i cannot contact himby phone.

thanks again

Andrea "klunk"

[Greg_Canada]

Hi guys, thanks for the option, i start to have a picture about what i can do....but still need your help to take a decision, to built a custum is not a bad idea, thanks 79coyotefrg, you gave me aother important informations, but do you know if someone tried this before.....i mean....i will be the first to do this "experiment"? I tell you frankly,i cannot risk to start the work and than find that something wrong or dont fit.
i'm not in italy, here in sudan is not easy to find parts,even if i agree with you that i can find here toyota one ton.....here all the car are toyota, and if i'm right, i have understood what is the one ton...i will take a picture of it...
As i wrote before....i need a shop list, can you help me? i will finish the work here in three....maybe four months, i had to start to find the parts and wathever i need now....i cannot wait...........
really i think that i will able to modify the car, but i had to think also about the load:

250 liters of diesel------------->200kg
200 liters of water------------->200kg
front bullbar with winch--------------->100kg
rear bar with winch--------------------->100kg
Spare tires---------------------------------->50kg
Food------------------------------------------>50kg
Accessories---------------------------------->99,9 kg
one pair of clean underware----------->0,1kg

 TOTAL---------->800kg
I FORGOT MYSELF!!!!!!------------------>90kg
 NEW TOTAL-------->890kg

PLEASE HELP, I NEED DETAILS HOW TO BUILT IT !!!!!!!

Andrea"klunk"
 

When you put it that way, you should be fine, the weight is spread over a large area.  I carry 5 people with luggae and a big subwoofer in my 4runner and it;s just fine (prob about 1300 pounds, and 4runners are heavier than pickups).
With the 3vze it's alittle underpowered but it handles the weight just fine.
How much weight are you putting in the bed?

[klunk [OP]]

i think the 800-1000 kg will be only on the bed!!   

Andrea

[Toy1]

Hello Klunk
I live in Norway,I have done the solid axle swap on my 96 Hilux.
I and you have the same front suspension IFS and frame as the American truck  and 4Runners from 86-95. The Tacoma is way different.
U can put any IFS lift kit you want as long as it´s for Pickup 86-95
But I would have spent some extra cash and went for the SAS
Try to find a Hilux solid front axle from 84 and up to 96.
Order the SAS kit from MC 4" springs in front and 5" in the rear. that will carry your extra weight

[sid]

hi klunk

try ome!!

it will give u a littlebit lift, its cheaper, u dont have to swap the axle!!
and than put a bodylift in it!! yaeh, i realy mean that, u are in europe, u arent goin to rockcrawl as long as italy is in the eu    and
i doupt u will find a lot of rocks in the dessert   than take a anglegrinder and start cutting to fitt 35" tires.

after that ur truck will look high enough for u, and u can carry your ton of equipment