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Hey V-Man,Because of my weird curiosity about this stuff, if your situation happened to me, I would call the plug manufacturer and see if I could talk to a technical person. And I would ask them if they would be interested in looking at all 8 of their spark plugs and possibly getting me some accurate analysis for the cause of premature failure – which obviously is NOT corona stain.I completely understand the “corona stain” cause, and according to video that Bgen posted, “it’s normal and harmless and does not cause any issue with performance.” But the video did say “not to be confused with exhaust gas blow-by or bad seals in the spark plugs”. So from that video, I assume that “bad seals” do occur. I personally have never experienced that.Anyway… just posting more pomp ‘n stink. Gnarls.
Interesting stuff.I still think it's wild that in 20+ years of working on cars and truck I have never seen this happen. Honestly I have never used or seen a torque wrench used to install spark plugs.
The issues I have seen the most over the years when it comes to spark plugs.... but none have ever seen an over torqued plug issue.
The issues I have seen the most over the years when it comes to spark plugs.#4 cracked spark plug (the porcelain) #5 use of the incorrect spark plug. (once a year or less)
Hey V-Man,I think it is logical that there are 2 likely possibilities:2 – the spark plugs were damaged, seal cracked or broken, during installation. How? It appears the over-torquing is what will do that. And, with your description of how much strength it took to loosen them, the over-torqued cause is likely. Could the dealer technician mistakenly used the wrong torque specification for those plugs? …. 28 to 34 lbs. instead of 13 to 15 lbs?Spark plug sockets are different and have the rubber insert to grab the tip of the plug. Both of my spark plug sockets are 6 point and the same length as the standard sockets.As I mentioned, I’d call Denso, and I would want to have conversation with the Service Manager at the dealership where the plugs were install last.Gnarls.
It is a 2004. The O2 sensor may have leaned out the air fuel if it was rich, it may made the air fuel richer if it was lean. I can't say for sure, just a speculation. But since I don't drive the 4runner except for a test drive when Karen said it was not running well, I am starting with what I was told, and then what I observed on the test drive. Yes every one of the plugs failed the test. First I thought clogged fuel filter it's 15 years old on the factory filters( you know were those are right? ) but at least there are new ones in there now. No improvement.If it had a distributor and not electronic ignition I would have said the timing was off, not far off but off.
I agree that a standard socket would not have damaged the plugs during installation.In regards to my #4 cause (cracked porcelain) this has always been to the white visible section of the plug and is felt in the form of a ignition missfire. Complete loss of a cylinder as apposed to a reduction in available spark intensity.At this point We will have to see if the vehicle is completely void of the issues that it had been experiencing.Time and mileage will be the answer to our disbelief that all eight spark plugs had been damaged during installation.Please please keep us in the loop on this repair as I’m sure We would all like the satisfaction of know the long term answer.Thank you to V-man for an interesting and educational thread
And who ever thinks that little brown ring around the spark plug causes misfires is a gullible poor b*std.
after reading through 1.5 pages i realized people are arguing over the dumbest on here. And who ever thinks that little brown ring around the spark plug causes misfires is a gullible poor b*std. I have some ocean front property to sell you in Idaho... besgen, lol, so humble in wanting to find the "correct" answer, stop fooling yourself on here. You dont take tax advice from your plumber do you? Flame on
You dont take tax advice from your plumber do you?
Lol, fish on. Lets start a new topic, gnarly you start it, you know how to over analyze bs that doesn't account for anything. Hmmm thinking, oil filter torque spec maybe, and the stress it puts on the block if over tightened? Ya ya, that sounds great, please research, 300k Google. And no knock for me, but ty for the shout out.
Okay, looked at Old Red's removed spark plugs...similar brown ring...
Nothing to see Here folks. Just keep moving along. Same different day.
And i bet YOUR silly aftermarket wire insulator boot fit fully over the one plug
I think the most entertaining thing on this entire thread is finding out the Gnarly has a list of things that he doesn't trust the Factory Service Manual specification for torque on.
.... gnarly you start it, you know how to over analyze bs that doesn't account for anything.
Im a front yard mechanic. And i bet your silly aftermarket wire insulator boot fit fully over the one plug
Oil filter torque: As tight as I can gripping with with my clean hand on clean outside case (no oil on hand or filter)
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