need help fast... Pittbull Rockers

[dbbowen]

Ok so pitbull tires are 50% off until midnight... I was looking at getting rocker radials. Sqwadoosh has em, told me not to get em.... too heavy... I have a 22re and will be running 5.29 gears in the diffs. What do yall think? $880 for 5 tires

[ryantowry_81]

i have seen the 37" rockers work well on fordyce and also in mud and snow in AK.

I have not personally used them but have friends that like them. those were both bias though.

[Mudder]

Sq drives a 3rz powered 4runner. If you plan on doing any long road trips you'll wish you listened.

[dbbowen]

Sq drives a 3rz powered 4runner. If you plan on doing any long road trips you'll wish you listened.

Oh im listening. Plus its a daily driver. Im just sad at the sight of losing out on a $880 deal.

[Mudder]

Could always get them for the trails and another set for daily driving.

[Rockcrawlintoy]

May as well try them. if they are too heavy you can always sell them for more than you paid for them.

[SqWADoosh]

They are a great tire but as I told you if I had it to do over I would have gone with MTR/k again. Obviously you would be getting a great deal but at the end of the day a great deal on something that isn't going to work well for you is not a great deal after all. If I have as much trouble with acceleration with a 3RZ and 5.29s you will be an absolute dog with them. They also like to blow stuff up 

[ryantowry_81]

those pics look like a advertisement for a full float kit.....

[SqWADoosh]

those pics look like a advertisement for a full float kit.....

They are

[dbbowen]

yeah... as soon as I talked to Sqwadoosh the first time i knew... I wanted to hear from others. Looks like im back at square one..... KM2 vs MTR Kevlar vs Cooper STT. Back to the drawing board.

[Dingman.]

Ive broke a rear axle on 33"s that were way lighter than a 37" pitbull rocker so don't believe just because you get 37" rockers you are automatically going to break a shaft.

Regardless of what brand of tire you are going to get.  Having 35"s or bigger on a toyota is not going to be a racecar.  $880 for 5 tires is such a great deal i would get them.  Hell I have been contemplating all day anout buying a set of 37"s rockers or 39" maddogs just because it is such a good deal.

[Dingman.]

If you want them, now is the time to order.  Apparently the sale ends really soon!!!

[SqWADoosh]

yeah... as soon as I talked to Sqwadoosh the first time i knew... I wanted to hear from others. Looks like im back at square one..... KM2 vs MTR Kevlar vs Cooper STT. Back to the drawing board.

I've seen all those tires perform. Kevlar wins hands down.

[OTO Phil]

What about the TRxus?

[SqWADoosh]

What about the TRxus?

Heard good things from 1985Crawler about them. That is my only dealing with them. Never seen anyone running them in person. 

[OTO Phil]

They are a great tire but as I told you if I had it to do over I would have gone with MTR/k again. Obviously you would be getting a great deal but at the end of the day a great deal on something that isn't going to work well for you is not a great deal after all. If I have as much trouble with acceleration with a 3RZ and 5.29s you will be an absolute dog with them. They also like to blow stuff up 

Do you think the MTRs are better than the KM2s?

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[blackdiamond]

I've seen all those tires perform. Kevlar wins hands down.

But you were so sure that the Cooper STT PRO was the ultimate tire short of the Pit Bull Rocker?  I have to assume that you're observation of my experience with the Cooper's is your primary data point for putting the MTR Kevlar back at the top?

I have not wheeled enough with the Cooper STT PRO tires enough to really make a fair comparison against the BFG KMs that I ran for years, but I think the Coopers are at least equal in most conditions and I expect them to perform better in mud.  It's really hard to compare tires without putting them on the same vehicle under the same conditions.  I can say that I've never had the MTR catch my eye, but I think CrankyCrawler preferred them to his BFGs, but I think his current favorite is his Cooper STTs that he had in Moab.  So many choices and so many variables.  All I can say with certainty is that I don't think my BFGs or Coopers have been the sole reason that I wasn't able to go somewhere or make a particular obstacle (that reminds me...) that would have been possible with another similar type tire.  I know that having a dedicated mud tire can make all the difference in the world but unfortunately the dedicated mud tires are pretty much anti-street friendly.

If I was to buy tires again I would still go with my Cooper STT PROs for the same reasons that I got them originally.  The BFG KM2 would likely be my second choice simply based on my satisfaction with my previous set of BFG.  I'd love a chance to wheel with a set of the MTRs but probably put any money that direction.

[OTO Phil]

Does the fact that bfg gives back to the wheeling community sway any opinions?

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[blackdiamond]

Does the fact that bfg gives back to the wheeling community sway any opinions?

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Cooper is made in the USA so that's also a solid reason to go with them.  I would assume that BFGs and Goodyears may come from somewhere else but really don't know.

[dbbowen]

I ended up missing out on the time frame, they evidently got a ton of orders so they moved the deadline from midnight to 5pm central time. :/ oh well. I was leaning more toward the MTR solely for the true sizing, Then Black diamond threw a wrench in it with the cooper STT. I had the original BFG mud terrain and they wore crazy fast on my 88 pickup, thats why its the lowest on the list now. I swear the tires have been the toughest choice in my build so far

[SqWADoosh]

BFG have a terrible reputation when it comes to sidewall as well.

[Dingman.]

At the same time the mtr's seem to have horrible issues with sidewalls as well.

[SqWADoosh]

At the same time the mtr's seem to have horrible issues with sidewalls as well.

Old school version did. Not kevlar. Took mine through a lot of sharp rock with zero issues. So have multiple people I wheel with that run them as well.

[Rockcrawlintoy]

Old school version did. Not kevlar. Took mine through a lot of sharp rock with zero issues. So have multiple people I wheel with that run them as well.

I never saw many issues with the old MTR I hammered mine. lots of issues with the kevlar in the 40 inch flavor. My friend has gone through like 5

[mudmaster]

Interco SX  Unless it's a DD.

[Dingman.]

I never saw many issues with the old MTR I hammered mine. lots of issues with the kevlar in the 40 inch flavor. My friend has gone through like 5

When i bought my kevlar mtrs the guy had one with a 3" long gash through the shoulder of a tire.  I did not think the tire looked very thick there.  I had that tire until a couple weeks ago, or else i would take a picture to show you.  I know others who have put holes in quite a few tires and i have seen posts on the froums.  They just strike me as a weak sidewall/shoulder tire, and I think about that everytime I drive on mine now. 

[Rockcrawlintoy]

Interco SX  Unless it's a DD.

I like your style.

[Snowtoy]

BFG have a terrible reputation when it comes to sidewall as well.

That is a rumor that predates most of the members births on the board,:laugh: and has long been used as a marketing ploy to sway buyers to buy other brands.  After nearly 30yrs of wheeling, I have seen all brands fail on the trail, and in virtually every instance the failure was caused by driver error or age of the tire.

[blackdiamond]

That is a rumor that predates most of the members births on the board,:laugh: and has long been used as a marketing ploy to sway buyers to buy other brands.  After nearly 30yrs of wheeling, I have seen all brands fail on the trail, and in virtually every instance the failure was caused by driver error or age of the tire.

I have personally seen great performance out of BFGs, but do know that CrankyCrawler destroyed several BFG sidewalls on his K5 and didn't seem to have any issues with the pre-kevlar Goodyear.  I don't think he's ever had a tire issue outside of a couple of BFG sidewalls.  He has run Goodyear and now Cooper.  He was proud to have Discount do a free replacement for one BFG that he could put his fist through the sidewall on!  My dad ran several sets of BFG KMs on his K5 and never had an issue and I ran my KMs for 9 years.

[Rockcrawlintoy]

That is a rumor that predates most of the members births on the board,:laugh: and has long been used as a marketing ploy to sway buyers to buy other brands.  After nearly 30yrs of wheeling, I have seen all brands fail on the trail, and in virtually every instance the failure was caused by driver error or age of the tire.

Ask Oops how many bfg he has gone through