Author Topic: Front Toyota Axle For Rear Steer? (Read 14034 times)

merlcrawl · « **on:** Nov 03, 2009, 11:30:22 AM »

Ive always thought it would be awsome to have two front axles to create 4WS.
would this work or is the geometry going to be way off? im thinking of doing this setup on my 4runner if im not missing something here..

MC387 · « **Reply #1 on:** Nov 04, 2009, 03:30:50 PM »

It would work fine. Exept that the pumpkin is not centered.

-Jake- · « **Reply #2 on:** Nov 04, 2009, 03:45:00 PM »

or how about splice the balls onto a rearend housing (if theyre the same ID) and then do full hydraulic steering that'd be tits!

Cheesemaker · « **Reply #3 on:** Nov 04, 2009, 07:34:11 PM »

You would also need to narrow the frame!

Or you could drop some serious coin and have Diamond axles made with Longfield custom axles.

merlcrawl · « **Reply #4 on:** Nov 04, 2009, 09:34:12 PM »

I dont see how the frame would need to be shortend, knuckle arms would probly be ideal for the inside of the axle instead of facing other open side for clearence reasons?

*** YELLER *** · « **Reply #5 on:** Nov 04, 2009, 09:40:25 PM »

reverse cut gears

Slolyfe · « **Reply #6 on:** Nov 04, 2009, 09:56:11 PM »

Quote from: Cheesemaker on Nov 04, 2009, 07:34:11 PM

Or you could drop some serious coin and have Diamond axles made with Longfield custom axles.

Do it!!! and post the build!

-Jake- · « **Reply #7 on:** Nov 04, 2009, 10:02:17 PM »

Quote from: merlcrawl on Nov 04, 2009, 09:34:12 PM

I dont see how the frame would need to be shortend, knuckle arms would probly be ideal for the inside of the axle instead of facing other open side for clearence reasons?

He didn't mean shorten the frame he meant narrow it so when/if your flexing and turning your tires dont rub the frame

madmanweaver444 · « **Reply #8 on:** Nov 05, 2009, 02:38:31 PM »

they did this for a buggy on powerblock extreme 4x4 you can watch it on spike.com

merlcrawl · « **Reply #9 on:** Nov 08, 2009, 07:52:09 AM »

Quote from: -Jake- on Nov 04, 2009, 10:02:17 PM

He didn't mean shorten the frame he meant narrow it so when/if your flexing and turning your tires dont rub the frame

ya i knew he ment that, i dont see why tho the front seems to clear just fine with a little body mod/cut

Quote from: ** YELLER ** on Nov 04, 2009, 09:40:25 PM

reverse cut gears

nah thats not a problem think about it, the pinion gear spins the same direction theirfore you could rotate the axle 360 degrees. i think what needs to be done is flip the steering arms on the knuckle to face the tcase instead of the back bumper.

THK Matt · « **Reply #10 on:** Nov 08, 2009, 11:51:12 AM »

OH are you tying to do this :DD

My Buddys 78

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #11 on:** Nov 08, 2009, 11:54:21 AM »

thats funny I was thinking about this last week.....

THK Matt · « **Reply #12 on:** Nov 08, 2009, 11:59:43 AM »

its actuated with an electric ram from a forklift.
he is noticing that its too slow obviously... I think he is going hydro rear now.
He daily drives it.

merlcrawl · « **Reply #13 on:** Nov 08, 2009, 12:17:51 PM »

thaats doope!!! did you guys flip the highsteer arms??? how do you hookup dual hydro stear???

THK Matt · « **Reply #14 on:** Nov 08, 2009, 12:54:58 PM »

its got the stock arms with the "J" cut off. and the stock tierod.

and I'm not sure. its got modified stock front steering and the stock arms in back with an electric ram.

Joey88RUNR · « **Reply #15 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 07:48:18 AM »

Quote from: madmanweaver444 on Nov 05, 2009, 02:38:31 PM

they did this for a buggy on powerblock extreme 4x4 you can watch it on spike.com

This is true, everything will need to be flipped 180, including the 3rd i beleive, knuckels flipped, It was a good episode

*** YELLER *** · « **Reply #16 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 11:28:14 AM »

Quote from: THK90 on Nov 08, 2009, 11:51:12 AM

OH are you tying to do this :DD

My Buddys 78

I do belive we all want to see this in its own thread and the details of the axle in motion and a detailed build or whatever he can remember of what he did

THK Matt · « **Reply #17 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 11:29:14 AM »

they havent gone any further on that buggy in MONTHS! lol

Quote from: ** YELLER ** on Nov 09, 2009, 11:28:14 AM

I do belive we all want to see this in its own thread and the details of the axle in motion and a detailed build or whatever he can remember of what he did

I'll work on that this week. I'll see what pictures and information I can dig up.

1stgenboy · « **Reply #18 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 04:02:01 PM »

Is there not a way to tie the rear steer in with the front steer?

*** YELLER *** · « **Reply #19 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 04:07:12 PM »

Quote from: 1stgenboy on Nov 09, 2009, 04:02:01 PM

Is there not a way to tie the rear steer in with the front steer?

if there was that seems lika a bad idea since you usualy want to go a different direction with the rear than the front, at least from my experiance anyway,

P-DiseToy24 · « **Reply #20 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 04:10:13 PM »

Nope.

*** YELLER *** · « **Reply #21 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 04:12:15 PM »

maybe place a small toggle to run the rear steer on the steering wheel

grant526 · « **Reply #22 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 04:16:20 PM »

Quote from: 1stgenboy on Nov 09, 2009, 04:02:01 PM

Is there not a way to tie the rear steer in with the front steer?

Why would you want to?
The idea is to leave them seperate and control the rear with a valve. That way it can go straight (like a normal rear axle) or you can turn it into or out of the turn, depending upon what you are trying to do. I've wanted to build a rear steer/4wheel steering truck since I was a little kid. It would be Awsome on the rocks!!

COToy91 · « **Reply #23 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 06:28:59 PM »

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=562853&highlight=pimpin

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=780750&highlight=lo+budget+pimpin

both toyota rear steer buggies

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