Author Topic: Import Vs. US springs? (Read 3894 times)

scyota · « **on:** Mar 20, 2006, 02:10:11 PM »

what exactly is the difference between the USA built Marlin springs and the Imported springs??

wa4x4 · « **Reply #1 on:** Mar 20, 2006, 02:14:21 PM »

The first of the import springs were a bit weaker than the US springs, think they are about the same now.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #2 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 11:24:19 AM »

some of the earlier import springs would bend under heavy loading,

shadycrawler · « **Reply #3 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 02:52:02 PM »

We've swithced back to USA made springs because of the loss of quality, craftsmen ship, material, and spring lift that is unacceptable to us as a company. Not saying that they were all bad, but they are a lower quality spring compared to the USA made springs. We have decided not to sell high quality stuff but the highest quality.

Thanks-
Steve

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #4 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 10:08:09 PM »

so to answer the real question, go ahead and buy the USA springs, they are a better spring and are

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #5 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 10:09:50 PM »

I don't know if there is a difference, but the original springs were imports.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #6 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 10:12:48 PM »

well i remember the springs the mammoth had on its way out to MCR4 and how they looked on the way home , and im sure they were the imports

no where near a stock toyota quality spring

im glad they found something better and USA

kneedownnate · « **Reply #7 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 11:32:07 PM »

I coulda swore I posted this before, but are the usa springs the ones that say BETTS on the clamps?

IronClad · « **Reply #8 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 11:34:50 PM »

yes. they are made by betts in sac.

Willy Mammoth · « **Reply #9 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 05:36:27 PM »

Quote from: 79Coyotefrg on Mar 22, 2006, 10:12:48 PM

well i remember the springs the mammoth had on its way out to MCR4 and how they looked on the way home , and I'm sure they were the imports no where near a stock Toyota quality spring

I'm glad they found something better and USA

Not saying the springs I had for MCR4 were bad imports or USA. If you saw what we did to those poor springs you would understand why they looked like they did.

We had over 650 lbs of gear in the back and more on the roof. Most of the steep climbs were done on the rear wheels only and the springs in the rear are front springs.

There was some sharp bends from axle wrap because they weren't made for rear use.

The new springs have held up good so far, but I still need to install an overload to help stop the axle wrap.

IronClad · « **Reply #10 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 05:44:06 PM »

why not a antiwrap bar insted?

Willy Mammoth · « **Reply #11 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 05:48:01 PM »

Quote from: IronClad on Mar 23, 2006, 05:44:06 PM

why not a antiwrap bar insted?

cheap sunglasses · « **Reply #12 on:** Apr 09, 2006, 04:33:57 AM »

Am I correct in thinking the springs that Trailgear is selling are identical to the former Marlin Imports?

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #13 on:** Apr 09, 2006, 07:22:57 AM »

gotrocks · « **Reply #14 on:** Apr 09, 2006, 09:26:12 AM »

well I personally have had both now and the imports didn't even last 3 weeks for me so they warenteed me a new set of US made ones. Well now my US ones have a BAD neg. arch in the front. So I'm working on getting yet another set of springs to replace those. I only have 1 week in Moab and 1 snowrun. 6 days of wheeling have made my new ones go bad. I just think I got a bad set of US made ones.

RAZOR · « **Reply #15 on:** Apr 10, 2006, 09:15:32 PM »

Quote from: Willy Mammoth on Mar 23, 2006, 05:48:01 PM

BigMike · « **Reply #16 on:** Apr 10, 2006, 11:12:53 PM »

Quote from: gotrocks on Apr 09, 2006, 09:26:12 AM

well I personally have had both now and the imports didn't even last 3 weeks for me so they warenteed me a new set of US made ones. Well now my US ones have a BAD neg. arch in the front. So I'm working on getting yet another set of springs to replace those. I only have 1 week in Moab and 1 snowrun. 6 days of wheeling have made my new ones go bad. I just think I got a bad set of US made ones.

Man that is crazy. How heavy is your rig? All of our rigs that have our springs under them are running USA springs and they are working excellent. I personally can vouch for the

USA Springs being an excellent, especially the front springs. My truck is pretty light (3200 lbs) and I carry only light loads, so I have removed 2 leafs from the rear pack and it has been working great for me. My rear does ride rougher then the front, which has broken in PERFECTLY, but once I put a load in the back, then it feels much softer.

I have flexed the springs out to the max and left the truck parked like that for hours with no side affects. Just last week I had my truck up on a rock on the passengers front, about 1.5" from the bumps, and I left it there for the whole day while I was working on Bevin's truck getting it ready for the State Ref. That night I just jumped in and backed down, and then drove home. No side affects at all.

I have never used import/chinese springs, and I can not compare, but I know that I am really impressed with the USA springs. They have worked great from day 1, which was last Nov.

BigMike

gotrocks · « **Reply #17 on:** Apr 11, 2006, 12:18:11 AM »

well bigmike not to bash on the spring but I honestly think I got a bad set of US springs. My runner is no heavier than anyone elses. i lost all of the lift in the springs and they are flat now just like my Asian made ones were. They lost their lift the very first run at Moab. Just ask blackdiamond. I wasn't hard on my springs down there. I have a winch bumper that i built on my truck but its nothing that should make the springs go flat. The rear springs are still arched but only about 2 to 3 inches Max over a stock springs. I had to put 9 inch shackles to keep enouch lift to clear my 37's just enough. I sent you the email that Steve should have had yesterday. I hope we can figure something out. I put your company in very high regards and know you will help me solve this problem.

4.3 headache · « **Reply #18 on:** Apr 11, 2006, 09:23:13 AM »

my right front USA spring is bent. this is after 15 months of abuse though. the imports both sacked out on me after 3 months.
I will buy another set regardless. Marlins are the best out there.

I've run allpros, superlifts, rears up front, and a few others.

gotrocks · « **Reply #19 on:** Apr 11, 2006, 09:26:17 AM »

oh I know they are great but only have 2 weeks having them go bad...now thats not cool

gotrocks · « **Reply #20 on:** Apr 11, 2006, 09:29:05 AM »

I just talked to Dean and they are hooking me up with another set.

THANKS MARLIN CREW YOU GUYS ROCK

BigMike · « **Reply #21 on:** Apr 11, 2006, 07:10:57 PM »

gotrocks, sorry for all the trouble that this has caused you. While you are waiting for the replacement springs, could you do us a favor and reply with your current hanger - to - shackle mount measurements (in inches, eyelet-to-eyelet)? Also, how long is the front shackle you are running?

I saw the pictures and one thing that comes to mind is braking... Now this is a really really silly question, and I apologize, but are your rear brakes hooked up and working? The way your springs are bending seems to be from extreme braking maybe? Or at least hard braking would cause to spring to wrap up in that fashion.

I am just worried that a 3rd set will also fail on you, and so I am trying to think outside of the box and maybe there is some other factor that is causing this

Just typing out load........

BigMike

gotrocks · « **Reply #22 on:** Apr 11, 2006, 11:24:36 PM »

no prob bigmike I'll get those measurements tomorrow. On the other hand yes my rear brakes are working. The front shackle I'm running is the (I'll double check with measurements tomorrow) 5" eye to eye I had stock rear ones at first and they didn't work for me due to very limited travel. Only ran them for less than a day. I'm going to be converting my front shackle to a through the frame setup before I put the new springs on. My measurement though front hanger eye to shackle eye should be very close to the same jig/tube setup you have with the SAS kit.

BigMike · « **Reply #23 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 07:24:49 AM »

Cool. Are you planning on installing bump stops? Or better yet, had you flexed out so much that the springs reverse arched before they S-bent?

gotrocks · « **Reply #24 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 08:54:20 AM »

yes bump stops will be on this time, I didn't ever see the springs flex that much that they s-bent. Now that the front one did though it just sits like that all the time. My tires were hitting my fenders so I didn't think they were being flexed out to much. They only went flat when I flexed out. I run rears up front on my other runner the exact same setup with the shackle under the frame and don't run bump stops. haven't had them go bad like this so we'll see how this 3rd set works out.

btw did dean change my springs to a 5 inch set. i called yesterday and steve said he'd relay the message. it didn't seam like it'd be a problem but just let me know

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