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clutch will not bleed
« on: Nov 14, 2016, 08:56:35 AM »
i have just installed my new 22re in my 87 4runner new clutch and all.  i installed a new slave cylinder as the original looked clapped out with an oem slave hooked up a new stainless steel braided line and no fluid coming out. so i went a purchased a new master at vato zone and nothing it will not come out but if we loosen the mounting bolts to the firewall it will start to leak out i have tried the original hard line and still nothing i am at a loss any ideas?
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #1 on: Nov 14, 2016, 09:07:52 AM »
this doesn't make sense, the mounting bolts should have nothing to do with the fluid. are you talking about loosening where stainless line connects to master?
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #2 on: Nov 14, 2016, 09:22:55 AM »
i understand it has my mind boggled i need to see if i give more free play in the pedal it helps.
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #3 on: Nov 14, 2016, 10:14:24 AM »
With it being a new clutch master as well, did you bench bleed it? Did you also readjust the clutch pedal adjustment rod when you installed the new clutch master?

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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #4 on: Nov 14, 2016, 10:17:19 AM »
i did bench bleed the master and had adjusted the rod to the exact same as the original which was working fine before i hydro locked the original motor.
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #5 on: Nov 14, 2016, 10:22:36 AM »
have you bleed it at the slave?
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #6 on: Nov 14, 2016, 10:46:59 AM »
have you bleed it at the slave?

i can not even get it to drip at the slave. i thought maybe the line had blockage but i installed a new soft line and nothing so neither the hard or soft line work.
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #7 on: Nov 14, 2016, 10:52:14 AM »
so if you disconnect line from master it leaks from master, have you tried keeping line hooked to master but disconnect from slave?
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #8 on: Nov 14, 2016, 11:25:43 AM »
if i disconnect the line from the master it will not leak unless you loosen up the bolts that hold to the firewall it will leak its weird. if i unhook the slave line completely it will not drip unless its loose off the firewall. i have never seen or even heard of this i am going to bench bleed it again while it is installed and see if there is more air inside,
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #9 on: Nov 14, 2016, 11:29:50 AM »
with line installed, do you have any pedal movement
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #10 on: Nov 14, 2016, 11:39:59 AM »
yes very soft pedal.
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #11 on: Nov 14, 2016, 11:40:20 AM »
zero resistance
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #12 on: Nov 14, 2016, 12:01:16 PM »
have you verified that the rod on the master is moving when you press down on pedal
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #13 on: Nov 14, 2016, 02:58:43 PM »
I have had them be really stubborn before.  Fill the master, leave the top off it and the fitting to the slave unhooked.  Fill the master with fluid.  Pump the pedal about 100 times. This gets a little bit of fluid to start down the line.

Get out of the vehicle, facing the passenger side while sitting in a camp chair. 

Sit there and watch it while drinking beer and listening to your favorite garage music.  Occasionally top off the master until you have fluid on your garage floor from the unhooked clutch line.  Then hook the line to the slave and crack the bleeder on the slave.  Drink another beer while waiting for the fluid to poor out the slave bleeder.  This may only take one half a beers worth of time.  When you get fluid out the slave bleeder, then you can finally bleed if for real.

This is what worked for me.  It did take an hour or so.  Basically gravity and time do the trick.

As an option you can suck on the slave end of the line like a straw but beer tastes better than brake fluid so I prefer the gravity method.
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #14 on: Nov 14, 2016, 04:18:11 PM »
I have had them be really stubborn before.  Fill the master, leave the top off it and the fitting to the slave unhooked.  Fill the master with fluid.  Pump the pedal about 100 times. This gets a little bit of fluid to start down the line.

Get out of the vehicle, facing the passenger side while sitting in a camp chair. 

Sit there and watch it while drinking beer and listening to your favorite garage music.  Occasionally top off the master until you have fluid on your garage floor from the unhooked clutch line.  Then hook the line to the slave and crack the bleeder on the slave.  Drink another beer while waiting for the fluid to poor out the slave bleeder.  This may only take one half a beers worth of time.  When you get fluid out the slave bleeder, then you can finally bleed if for real.

This is what worked for me.  It did take an hour or so.  Basically gravity and time do the trick.

As an option you can suck on the slave end of the line like a straw but beer tastes better than brake fluid so I prefer the gravity method.

Very Well Put! I have had good luck with this as well. Although, there should not be any brake fluid coming from where the master mounts to the firewall, as the OP was describing.
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #15 on: Nov 15, 2016, 08:39:46 AM »
I have had them be really stubborn before.  Fill the master, leave the top off it and the fitting to the slave unhooked.  Fill the master with fluid.  Pump the pedal about 100 times. This gets a little bit of fluid to start down the line.

Get out of the vehicle, facing the passenger side while sitting in a camp chair. 

Sit there and watch it while drinking beer and listening to your favorite garage music.  Occasionally top off the master until you have fluid on your garage floor from the unhooked clutch line.  Then hook the line to the slave and crack the bleeder on the slave.  Drink another beer while waiting for the fluid to poor out the slave bleeder.  This may only take one half a beers worth of time.  When you get fluid out the slave bleeder, then you can finally bleed if for real.

This is what worked for me.  It did take an hour or so.  Basically gravity and time do the trick.

As an option you can suck on the slave end of the line like a straw but beer tastes better than brake fluid so I prefer the gravity method.

this was by far the greatest response i have ever received on this board. and you were correct 2 beers and wham she was leaking like me on my 5th beer. shes is all bled up nice and good. thank you everyone for the assistance.
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Re: clutch will not bleed
« Reply #16 on: Nov 15, 2016, 09:49:47 AM »
Very Well Put! I have had good luck with this as well. Although, there should not be any brake fluid coming from where the master mounts to the firewall, as the OP was describing.

Sorry I missed that, 4 hours of sleep.  My wife is teaching Chinese kids English on the internet at 3:00AM and I get up and work on Toyotas in the dark...  You are correct it should not be leaking.  Keep an eye on that OP :).  If it continues to leak you will loose pedal.  If not then wheel on.
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