Arb or Detroit

Started by velasco, November 10, 2010, 03:40:32 PM

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skid

What your going to do with your truck and where also come into play.  Around here, the deep snow, branch's and trees cans still trash your braided ARB line.
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zippo

If it's that bad your prolly looking at damage to the E-locker motor/wires, Brake line. Hold on baby!
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skid

Quote from: zippo on December 09, 2010, 04:25:48 PM
If it's that bad your prolly looking at damage to the E-locker motor/wires, Brake line. Hold on baby!
Funny you should say that, I have lost a couple brake lines in the past.
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Tofudude

How is the water build up in the compressors for the ARB's? or do they have some thing to prevent that?

ajordan1975

Quote from: Rocksurfer on November 12, 2010, 05:52:56 AM
Sorry but I'm Detroit 100%, it is always there ready to go no air lines to worry about, no compressor, no relief valves, no switches, nothing but positive 100% traction 100% of the time.
What he said!
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NCK4L

Quote from: ajordan1975 on December 15, 2010, 05:30:42 AM
What he said!

dont get one if your drivin on te street it will wear your tires out faster

skid

Quote from: NCK4L on December 15, 2010, 06:49:08 AM
dont get one if your drivin on te street it will wear your tires out faster
I ran a spool with Iroks, and the increase in wear was minimal there.   With a Detroit, be aware if you're accelerating, the lockers going to want to lock up.  Maintain speed or coast and it unlocks.  A modified driving style is needed if you're that worried about tire wear.  With the wear from trail use, I never even worry about the street.
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SpencerS

doing a u turn can be fun with a detroit some time but all it takes is a little throttle to keep the tires from chirping and having your rig bark at you!

Rocksurfer

The trick to a Detroit is to coast into a corner which ratchets the mechanism, giving you little to no extra wear to your tires.
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Quote from: Rocksurfer on November 12, 2010, 05:52:56 AM
Sorry but I'm Detroit 100%, it is always there ready to go no air lines to worry about, no compressor, no relief valves, no switches, nothing but positive 100% traction 100% of the time.
double detroit is my prefernece but if your baller enough duel e-locked would be great also
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4LoRunner

ARB  got it up front on mine with a detroit and she does wonders. plus u get to make a cool sound when you disengage it
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smallmat000

Quote from: Yota Rolla on December 16, 2010, 04:28:23 AM
double detroit is my prefernece but if your baller enough duel e-locked would be great also

Dual Detroit's is STUPID!!

rock the ARB up front that way you can actually turn on the road

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Quote from: smallmat000 on January 11, 2011, 11:10:35 PM
Dual Detroit's is STUPID!!

rock the ARB up front that way you can actually turn on the road
:haha: :idiot: get a clue  :pokinit: for brains . .works just fine if you have an ounce of common sense
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yjay

Quote from: smallmat000 on January 11, 2011, 11:10:35 PM
Dual Detroit's is STUPID!!

rock the ARB up front that way you can actually turn on the road

Hardly notice my Detroit in the back. Don't typically drive in 4wd on the street so the front doesn't affect my turning.
Please elaborate on your experience. :usa:
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Quote from: yjay on January 12, 2011, 06:08:32 AM
Hardly notice my Detroit in the back. Don't typically drive in 4wd on the street so the front doesn't affect my turning.
Please elaborate on your experience. :usa:
:clap2: for the gentlemanly way of wording it
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superyota

Quote from: smallmat000 on January 11, 2011, 11:10:35 PM
Dual Detroit's is STUPID!!

rock the ARB up front that way you can actually turn on the road

1st post! wow. I guess thats one way to start :slap:
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Quote from: superyota on January 12, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
1st post! wow. I guess thats one way to start :slap:
X2 i was thinkin the same thing. . go back to yotatech with that  :pokinit:
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I think he should go to pirate instead.  They will love him over their.

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1980yota

I have been thinking about this as well. I think I will go double detroits just because I have twin sticks so I can disengage the front whenever I want and save some money on the arb and compressor set up.

Wermz84

Quote from: codyps85 on November 19, 2010, 09:23:13 AM
Thanks for the info guys. I am currently running an AUSSIE locker in the rear and I'm not too thrilled with it. I was looking to get a new set up front (currently open) and rear. I think I'm going to do Detroit rear and ARB front. For sure!

Hey there, I'm curious what you're not happy with on the Aussie in the rear?

I have the Aussie in the rear, and an ARB in the front, couldn't be happier.  I chose the ARB for the times when I'm in 4wd locked and the wheels are fully turned, I wanted to be able to disengage the locker to minimize the chance of birf breakage. 

Not a factor on the road since it is only in 2wd unless i'm snow wheeling.

any way those are my deciding factors.  :twocents:
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blackdiamond

Quote from: 1980yota on January 12, 2011, 10:31:19 AM
I have been thinking about this as well. I think I will go double detroits just because I have twin sticks so I can disengage the front whenever I want and save some money on the arb and compressor set up.

You'll likely find that's it's almost impossible to shift into 2wd when you're trying to turn because the drivetrain is bound up.  My experience is mostly in Moab so it may work better on surfaces with less traction.
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blackdiamond

Unless you need the ability to run on the street in 4wd on a regular basis the advantage of an ARB type of locker isn't as important.  You could save a lot of money with something like an Aussie locker and you won't have to worry about it failing on you.  My 4Runner has a Detroit rear and Aussie front.  The only time that it's an issue is driving it to work in the snow because the automatic locker has a serious impact on the steering.  As long as I'm careful and keep the speed down it's not a problem at all.  I've never had an issue off road.

A perfectly working ARB type of locker is ideal, but it comes with additional cost and an increased chance of having it fail you on the trail.  More moving parts equal a higher probability of something going wrong.
1989 4Runner: Dual Ultimate (Inchworm front & Marlin 4.70 rear), Marlin Twin Stick, 1200-lb clutch, 4.88 R&P, Aussie Front, Detroit rear, 30-spline Longs, Long hub gears, ARP hub and knuckle studs & 35x12.50 Cooper STT PRO tires.  Marlin rear bumper & sliders.  FROR front bumper.  SAS with Alcan springs & Rancho 9000XL shocks.  Budbuilt Bolt-on traction bar.  Custom Interior Cage by Those Guys Rod and Customs.

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skid

Quote from: blackdiamond on January 12, 2011, 11:27:36 AM
You'll likely find that's it's almost impossible to shift into 2wd when you're trying to turn because the drivetrain is bound up.  My experience is mostly in Moab so it may work better on surfaces with less traction.
I've noticed this bind before, but have always been able to overcome with a blip of the throttle or clutch to unload a little.
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superyota

not sure if it has been mentioned already, but a detroit more than likely will not hold up if you break a birfield(or any other axle shaft in that case).  they tend come apart when there is a sudden unloading on them.  
as far as steering on the road goes, if you have hydro assist, it's not a problem.  I just drove my truck from bakersfield to mammoth and back(about a 4 hour drive each way).  i'm spooled in the rear with an aussie up front.  its the only 4wd street legal vehicle i have so i had no choice.  for the first time on the freeway doing 55-60 in 4wd, it did great.  never even noticed it.  before the hydro assist, i would have never even considered driving it on the road. just my  :twocents:
my long term plans are to go detroit in the rear, and arb up front.
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skid

Quote from: superyota on January 12, 2011, 12:51:35 PM
not sure if it has been mentioned already, but a detroit more than likely will not hold up if you break a birfield(or any other axle shaft in that case).  they tend come apart when there is a sudden unloading on them. 
Heard this before over "the web".  I've personally seen more broken arb or arb parts that Detroits. Very little research is needed to learn if you're going wheel and put a locker in, upgraded birfs are manditory.  Then at that level, you ring and pinion or hubs become the weak link. All to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Quote from: skid on January 12, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
Heard this before over "the web".  I've personally seen more broken arb or arb parts that Detroits. Very little research is needed to learn if you're going wheel and put a locker in, upgraded birfs are manditory.  Then at that level, you ring and pinion or hubs become the weak link. All to be taken with a grain of salt.
i would have to agree with you on that.  All the problems I have ever seen with arb's is from lines breaking/melting/leaking, or compressors going out, switches not working, etc.  and i've seen it a bunch of times.  I've seen two different buddys trucks break detroits.  one broke a birfield in the front, which also took out the detroit, and the other sheared off all the wheel studs on the rear of his d60, also causing the detroit to blow.  but thats only 2 that I have seen 1st hand.  they both have their pros and cons.  take your pic
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