Thanks for some of your comments guys its amazing to see how fast you've all replied to some of this. White Trash I have to agree with you on having to vote an ocassional demo. because just because they are repulican doesn't mean their a perfect saint in any means. Anyhow we just need to make sure that we all do our part in maintaining the few areas that we do have left and not let them get closed down. I recently joined the PNW4WD association (Pacific Northwest 4 Wheel Drive assosiation) to do my part in donatating to an organization that keeps our sport going here in the northwest. We have so many areas that are great wheeling but more and more land keeps getting closed down. I just hope that we can all do or part to keep those other guys in line who mess it up for us, and if it means going on clean up runs and picking up all of their crap I guess we got to do it.