Author Topic: Wheel Tilt (Read 4790 times)

Fireimp141 · « **on:** Nov 22, 2004, 03:30:06 PM »

The front 2 tires tilt in... like the tops of the tires tilt in towards the truck causing my front tires to wear wrong... i know i need the tie rod ends and pitman and idler arms replaced... is that part of it?

blyota91 · « **Reply #1 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 04:30:55 PM »

The wheel tilt your refering to is called camber, and it will make your tires wear, maybe quite badly depending on how severe it is. The first thing I would do is check out your ball joints, if the rest of your front end is that messed up then maybe you have bad ball joints too. Also, did you crank your torsion bars, this can affect the camber also. Once you get all the components in your front end replaced I would definately get a good alignment done.

Fireimp141 · « **Reply #2 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 05:30:21 PM »

So i need my balljoints replaced also? god! lots of money going into basic repairs my parents never did

Fireimp141 · « **Reply #3 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 05:32:20 PM »

I want to know what parts are involved in replacing the camber parts cause imma be doing it this weekend with glen and swamper

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #4 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 05:49:01 PM »

dude, jack it up tomorrow by the frame, just enough to get the tire off the ground then get a pry bar and slide under the truck so you can see your ball joint and wiggle, has your tires leaned along time or did they just start???

brainlessfool · « **Reply #5 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 05:51:47 PM »

upper and lower ball joints, upper A-arm bushings. lower is more than likely fine as it's tied in with the torque bar.
Did you "jack up" the front end? if you did this will make the tops of the front tires tilt in.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #6 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 06:10:00 PM »

you know Downey makes upper a arms and bigger torsion bars, if you want to stay somewhere close to stock, "looking"

BigMike · « **Reply #7 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 07:29:02 PM »

Does the Toy IFS have adjustable camber?

Fireimp141 · « **Reply #8 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 07:31:50 PM »

I have cranked my tbars, they are downeys... havnt gotten new a-arms, but how much are some good ball joints? i prolly need all 4, glen will know what to check when he gets here hopefully

toyman2 · « **Reply #9 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 08:07:53 PM »

with the money your going to spend why not put a little more into it and do a sas
that will elliminate a bunch of the hassel for later

Fireimp141 · « **Reply #10 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 08:09:16 PM »

Because SAS is not in my mechanical abilitys... so thats a

load of money to get someone to do it

unless glen knows how to do it or something and i can drive over there

other than that i have to keep stock for a while

BigMike · « **Reply #11 on:** Nov 22, 2004, 08:28:53 PM »

Hey if you've cranked the bars and its sitting a bit higher now, then the camber should increase in the positive direction (opposite from what your problem).

Most IFS systems are progressive camber by the nature of their design. As the wheel travels upwards, negative camber is induced (top of tire moves towards middle of vehicle)... So you've really got some serious negative camber issues!

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #12 on:** Nov 23, 2004, 07:50:20 AM »

fireimp, my welding shop buddy said if i found a axle and springs he could fab the hangers and stuff and install the sas for about 500

brainlessfool · « **Reply #13 on:** Nov 23, 2004, 07:57:00 AM »

Quote from: BigMike on Nov 22, 2004, 08:28:53 PM

Hey if you've cranked the bars and its sitting a bit higher now, then the camber should increase in the positive direction (opposite from what your problem).

Most IFS systems are progressive camber by the nature of their design. As the wheel travels upwards, negative camber is induced (top of tire moves towards middle of vehicle)... So you've really got some serious negative camber issues!

Don't think so mikey, on my old 86 the top A-arm was shorter than the bottom arm and as the wheel moved up the tire would move in. so if you jack up the front it will move the tires in on top.
they move out as the wheel moves down, for a bit anyway.

FIREBALL · « **Reply #14 on:** Nov 23, 2004, 08:03:05 AM »

Mike, if I remember correctly...yes there are shims on the upper a-arms.
If you check your ball joints, and they are ok, and the problem seems to be because you cranked up the torsion bars, you may be able to take out a shim on the upper a-arm to help the camber. This will allow the a-arm to move outboard correcting the prob.
Check around and add up all the parts first, before you buy them. If all these little things cost too much, you may be getting close to the ball park for an sas.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #15 on:** Nov 23, 2004, 08:08:43 AM »

you will have to buy a highsteer from marlin tho

Fireimp141 · « **Reply #16 on:** Nov 23, 2004, 09:48:28 AM »

I know its gonna be close to parts for an SAS... but not install $:-\$ \

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #17 on:** Nov 23, 2004, 05:45:55 PM »

high steer will be the most, then i can get you a axle for about $125 install for $500 your looking at a SAS for under $1000

brainlessfool · « **Reply #18 on:** Nov 23, 2004, 06:40:46 PM »

SWEET DEAL!! do the SAS!

BigMike · « **Reply #19 on:** Nov 23, 2004, 06:47:00 PM »

Quote from: brainlessfool on Nov 23, 2004, 07:57:00 AM

Quote from: BigMike on Nov 22, 2004, 08:28:53 PM
Hey if you've cranked the bars and its sitting a bit higher now, then the camber should increase in the positive direction (opposite from what your problem).

Most IFS systems are progressive camber by the nature of their design. As the wheel travels upwards, negative camber is induced (top of tire moves towards middle of vehicle)... So you've really got some serious negative camber issues!

Don't think so mikey, on my old 86 the top A-arm was shorter than the bottom arm and as the wheel moved up the tire would move in. so if you jack up the front it will move the tires in on top.
they move out as the wheel moves down, for a bit anyway.

hahahahah no I dont think so

Thats the same thing I said brainless. You better stop

As the suspension compresses, camber moves in the negative direction (moves the top of the tire into the fender). Thats why its safe around corners, as the load increases on the tire, the suspension loads and as the body rolls, the camber is increased putting more tread patch on the ground for a greater frictional coefficient. But I've heard bad things about this with the old Corvette Stingrays and VW bugs

brainlessfool · « **Reply #20 on:** Nov 23, 2004, 07:02:59 PM »

Ok mikey, lets try again.

fire said he's jacked up his truck. that will move the wheels in (neg)
and you said that jacking up will move in the pos. diction (opposite your problem).

unless I read it wrong neg. is his problem.

butt let be clean cuz I've been

neg=inborad
pos= outborad

jacking your truck up will give to much neg. camber

bottoming out gives to much pos. camber.

I don't think pos. camber is "top of tire moving towards middle of veh."

butt hey after a few

all I see is pruple elephants so go ahead and slap me around some more! I enjoy it!

blyota91 · « **Reply #21 on:** Nov 24, 2004, 04:21:21 AM »

I wish I could draw pictures of me talking with my hands on here. Negative camber is inward tilt of the wheel, ie the tops of the tires tilt inward. Any truck I have evver seen where the torsion bars have been tweaked has negative camber. On a Toyota IFS this makes perfect sense to me. The T-bar is keyed to the upper A-arm and as you load it up by cranking the bar it rotates downward. It will swing on its pivot which will bring the end of the A-arm closer to the frame, drawing the top of the wheel in. I do some alignments at my work so I'm pretty sure that negative camber is inward tilt. Cranking the torsion bars has a different affect on the camber than lifting the truck up into the air. Most things do have positive camber when they are hanging in the air. I think I'm right here, but maybe not.

brainlessfool · « **Reply #22 on:** Nov 24, 2004, 07:50:55 AM »

your avitar is so cool I don't care witch way is neg. or pos.

but it's been a while sence
i've done an alinment so I could be wrong. if you don't do those things alot the info gets lost in time.

getting old sucks

blyota91 · « **Reply #23 on:** Nov 24, 2004, 06:20:09 PM »

I'm fairly fresh out of college for auto tech, and have been working since then so I would like to think I know what I am talking about sometimes

brainlessfool · « **Reply #24 on:** Nov 26, 2004, 11:13:33 AM »

I/
'm sure you do! probley more than me!

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