Topic: Engine haveing trouble starting

[b-radhutch]

Here's my prob I have an 85 pickup 5-speed and I just put a new starter in. Now when I go to start it u can hear it engage but not turn but if I put the truck in gear an rock it back and forth and than put it in nuetral it will start right up. Any ideas?

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Maybe your fly wheel is missing a few teeth? Did you put the starter in all the way and tighten it? I'd take the starter out and get a flashlight and look in the starter hole look for any thing bad. Then uhhook the battery and put the truck and t case in nuteral. Look in the hole with a flashlight and have some one slowly turn over the motor with a wrench and look for anything bad. Maybe you dont have the starter aligned right I dunno? Check those and get back to us.

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Ohh firsts check your ground and connections also.

[b-radhutch [OP]]

every thing is fine and connected it all tightened up also

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Did you check your fly wheel? maybe you got a bunk starter?

[b-radhutch [OP]]

flywheel looked fine when i took the old starter out so i had the old starter tested and it was bad and got a new starter and had it tested b4 i bought it and it works fine. Bunk starter?

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bunk means bad. I'd check your fly wheel. If you gotta move the truck around it might be that. If your in nuteral when your pushing it though I'd say its a connection that when you move the truck it makes it fire up. I'd double check everything just to make sure.

[kneedownnate]

If I guess where you bought the *new* starter will I be right    Toyota starters, as are most, are cake to rebuild.  The junk most places pass off as rebuilt is sub-par at best usually.

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Ohhh I just remembered something. There is brass connectors in the starter and they are often not replaced when they rebuild a starter my buddys 4runner used to do this all the time and we put them in and havent had a problem in over a year.

[b-radhutch [OP]]

bunk means bad. I'd check your fly wheel. If you gotta move the truck around it might be that. If your in nuteral when your pushing it though I'd say its a connection that when you move the truck it makes it fire up. I'd double check everything just to make sure.

na when i move the truck its in 1st or reverse and i have to push it back and forth three or four times and than after that it starts no prob and quikly. You can hear the starter engage like you hear the starter not the solinoid click like the gear engages but it doesnt turn it over. The connections are all good also

If i replaced the flywheel and this problem still persists what else could it be other than the starter and the conections

[kneedownnate]

That should be a major part of a rebuild, no matter how decent they look.  Otherwise, the ring on the plunger can get beat up and not make good contact, or the plunger shaft can get gunked up (especially if it sees water crossings) and start to stick. 

Should be able to get the contacts from toyota or 4crawler pretty cheap.  Lady at the local lithia toy said they can't get the plungers, but my contact said they most definately can, and as far as I know you can't just get the ring for the plunger.  I have a couple extra and thought about trying to get one off and see if I could keep it flat, but I doubt that'd be too easy.

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I'm gonna go with some connections still. Its 98.9% positive in my head its the contacts.

[b-radhutch [OP]]

crap ok i will go double check everything and will get back to you

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The contacts are in the starter it self well you have to take the sylinoid off and their in there 2 brass things. They are probably pretty warn. or the rotor thing that hits them is warn down. They don't rebuild things right especally if you get it from rxxx-a----.com or n--a, p-- b--s ect... just leaving out most of their name so I'm not name bashing.

[b-radhutch [OP]]

ok ill take it apart tonight and try and post pics of the inside of it

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yeah I'm out for now but here is some info on how to get it apart

http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-buchanan/93fsm/starting/1starter.pdf

[Plekto]

Yeah, def contacts.  On my old Buick years ago, it had a "dead spot" like that where it just wouldn't start about 1 time in 20, but if you wacked it with a rubber mallet half an inch, everything was fine.

[b-radhutch [OP]]

ended up being a bad wire the hot wire up to the battery was exposed and the wires were all green and starting to fall apart From ocean water i guess (pismo trips) thanks for all your help

[kneedownnate]

Sweet, never hurts to double check 

every thing is fine and connected it all tightened up also

[b-radhutch [OP]]

crap nvm it still does it just not as often now i think the starter is just bad bc now it starts most of the time but every once in a wile it does this same as it did b4 but if i turn the key like four times without starting it and than on like the fourth time actualy start it. It fires right up.

Possible battery bad next time it wont start will hook up jumper cables and see what it does and will take the starter in for a warrenty replacement if this doesnt work.

Also my lights dim when i sit at idle. Could my alternater be going bad?

Sound like i got alot of problems. Reason for this is that i have only owned the truck since like july of this year and the previous owner didnt do much for maintaining the truck all axle seals wear bad front and back. He put ATF fluid in the T-case and Transmission witch was all changed out to Gear oil. He Told me that there was a new clutch in it and 3 weeks later when i was on vacation the clutch went out. The only thing he did do that i noticed was change the oil and flush the cooling system. When i get the money i will be rebuilding the knuckles, add power steering and high steer. All work done by myself

[emsvitil]

Maybe ignition switch..

[b-radhutch [OP]]

Well got new battery with 640 CCA and 800 Cranking amps and replaced the terminals so far no issue even took it up to the sierras to test out my 4wheel drive in the snow started up everytime.

[Plekto]

Given the guy's lack of understanding that vehicles require some upkeep, have an eye on the alternator as well, and while you're changing the belts and so on(since the alternator is darn near buried under all of the other crap on the engine and you have to take off every last belt to get to it), also change the water pump and check the timing chain guides/etc.

[b-radhutch [OP]]

ya will do well my prob was the starter was shot the new one that is just the igntion plug thingy so i changed it out with another new one and insted of the standard 1 kilowat one i went with the 1.4 kilowat so all is good when i get the time i will check alot of other things work is picking up so i wont have alot of time thank you snow season.

[b-radhutch [OP]]

Maybe ignition switch..

It was that well the one on the starter that is