Topic: Who can read this alignment sheet ? HELP!!

[Toyotoy84]

Who can read this alignment sheet...the 4 runner is a 93, it has a 1.4" rear lift spacer in the coils, and plus 1 pro-comp shocks...just does not ride solid and pulls or pressure feel  to the left..and turns super sensative around turns both ways...seems better when there is a full tank of gas in it...extra weight i assume is changing the geometry...any ideas to adjust or fix this issue would be apprieciated on ice here is DANGEREOUS

[jimbo74]

the rear is a solid axle, nothing you can do about it

[crawlerdan]

there should be no toe in the rear, and as jim stated, it is not adjustable...unless you add an adjustable control arm in the rear, like i did.

the twitchy steering is coming from  caster, that needs to be closer, and also larger tires, ect needs to be accounted for.

that program is the same ive used for years- and it want "green" even though green will still cause problems sometimes, its designed to make the customer happy with your efforts and buy parts.

but regardless, rear toe, in that quantaty, is unacceptable and there is something wrong back there

[Toyotoy84 [OP]]

the rear is a solid axle, nothing you can do about it

I know it has link bars on the sides, perhaps bushing?

[79coyotefrg]

rear axle is bent.

[Toyotoy84 [OP]]

there should be no toe in the rear, and as jim stated, it is not adjustable...unless you add an adjustable control arm in the rear, like i did.

the twitchy steering is coming from  caster, that needs to be closer, and also larger tires, ect needs to be accounted for.

that program is the same ive used for years- and it want "green" even though green will still cause problems sometimes, its designed to make the customer happy with your efforts and buy parts.

but regardless, rear toe, in that quantaty, is unacceptable and there is something wrong back there

Thanks for that, i have 30" good years on it.

[79coyotefrg]

I know it has link bars on the sides, perhaps bushing?

if it was a bushing it would show equal negative toe on the right, which it does not

[Toyotoy84 [OP]]

if it was a bushing it would show equal negative toe on the right, which it does not

Is something bent? I have another 4runner for parts if i need that arm(s)..oh i just saw your post about read diff bent...

[BUDDERS]

I would check the bushings in your rear link arms and straightness of links first.  I've seen rear toe readings like this if a link bushing is trashed or if a link is bent. 

The easiest way to tell if your rear axle housing is bent is to unbolt the axle shafts and slide them out, then try sliding them back in.  If they don't go back in easy, the housing is bent.  With rear toe readings like that, it's no wonder it pulls to the left.  Your rear wheels are pointing toward the right front of the rig and this will always make it pull left (just think what rear steering on a car has to do to make the car turn left).

Let us know what you figure out.

[TacoRunner]

rear axle is bent.

thats what I was thinking

[NATER623]

how did it drive before you had it aligned?   
If it drives better with weight in it keep the tank full and store some heavy junk in the back. 

your rear axle is crooked, look for a bent link or a broken mount. I dont think it would be a bent housing unless its been it a wreck.  It would drive a little straighter and be a little less touchy with more toe in. 

The metric numbers make it look worse than it is.

[Toyotoy84 [OP]]

I would check the bushings in your rear link arms and straightness of links first.  I've seen rear toe readings like this if a link bushing is trashed or if a link is bent.  

The easiest way to tell if your rear axle housing is bent is to unbolt the axle shafts and slide them out, then try sliding them back in.  If they don't go back in easy, the housing is bent.  With rear toe readings like that, it's no wonder it pulls to the left.  Your rear wheels are pointing toward the right front of the rig and this will always make it pull left (just think what rear steering on a car has to do to make the car turn left).

Let us know what you figure out.

Thanks, i let you know what i find in the next week or so.

[Toyotoy84 [OP]]

how did it drive before you had it aligned?  
If it drives better with weight in it keep the tank full and store some heavy junk in the back.  

your rear axle is crooked, look for a bent link or a broken mount. I dont think it would be a bent housing unless its been it a wreck.  It would drive a little straighter and be a little less touchy with more toe in.  

The metric numbers make it look worse than it is.

It seemed to drive ok, but the rear springs were sacked out and shocks were done and the toe was out...as far as i know it was never in a wreck. my first instinct was to look at bushings..i called toyota for the hell of it on the arm bushings and almost fell over in my chair....!!!!

[Toyotoy84 [OP]]

Here is the left side....

[NATER623]

where did you get the spacer, my runner squats too. 

have you changed the tires?  if the front tires are worn unevenly they may have some effect.  try rotating them front to rear.

[Toyotoy84 [OP]]

where did you get the spacer, my runner squats too. 

have you changed the tires?  if the front tires are worn unevenly they may have some effect.  try rotating them front to rear.

I got the spacer from the National 4wd centre. And let me tell u, the only ones other companies had were 180 up to 250 for poly ones and something from old man emue in aussie land...i managed to get these for about $100 shipped (i think approx) and they are 1.1/4 poly...i thought that wouldnt be enough in my head, and well it was plenty and then a bit..just trying to find the original paperwork...So worth it in the end, wow!!
Oh and the tires are okay, just put on and i have already rotated them once with no difference.

[hilux-1983]

If I was a bettin man, I would bet on the bushings or a tweaked link. Those readings dont show a bent axle yet. Get the thrust angle right(axle parallel to the vehicles geometry) on 1st and go from there. I've had my share of this kinda mystery before. Although, I am looking at readings with out doing a hands on visual inspection.

[BUDDERS]

If I was a bettin man, I would bet on the bushings or a tweaked link. Those readings dont show a bent axle yet. Get the thrust angle right(axle parallel to the vehicles geometry) on 1st and go from there. I've had my share of this kinda mystery before. Although, I am looking at readings with out doing a hands on visual inspection.

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[Rocksurfer]

Though it is a completely different vehicle and setup my Durango was squirrely as hell when I lifted the front in snow until I lifted the rear to where it sat as it did originally. I guess it really threw of the natural balance.