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I personally don't think I have an answer that will satisfy you about this. And as I stated I don't know the official position one way or another. My personal feeling is that it doesn't really matter. Now I know that you being a SDA, the day of the sabbath thing, is your thing. So I have no problems with you pussing that issue. I have no doubt whatsoever that you can back it all up in the bible. For all I know, you are 100% right that it is sat and not sun. I am just not sure that it matters.But anyway, I'll see what I can find out about our official stance on the sabbath for you. (and me too I guess)
Why is the week for most countries, minus here in the US, start on a Monday. Which would make sunday the seventh day
It is fairly simple to show that the weekly cycle hasn't changed no matter what the calender says in some countries. There was a time where the date changed, but the weekely cycle was unchanged.The shift went like this: Thursday October 4, 1582 followed by Friday October 15, 1582. This correction was the result of the Julian calender not being accurate so it was changed to the Gregorian.Also, the present day Jews still worship on Saturday, the 7th day, and they have a history that goes all the way back to Christ. Sunday is thus named because it originated from pagan sun worship that was slowly incorporated in to Christianity about 300 years after Christ lived on earth. Ingoring the issue of the belief being right or wrong, the Catholic church claims responsibility for the change. "We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." - The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (Reverand Peter Geiermann, C.S.R. of January 25, 1910.Out of curiosity, when did the Morman church officially begin? It was after A.D. 336, correct?
How would you have answered my questions if you were to knock on my door during your time as a missionary?
English Portuguese Russian Meaning of Russian nameSaturday sabado subbota Sabbath For the Jews, the Sabbath (Saturday) is the day of rest and worship. On this day God rested after creating the world. Most Christians have made Sunday their day of rest and worship, because Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday. Muslims use Friday as their day of rest and worship. The Qur'an calls Friday a holy day, the "king of days."
The two languages, other than English, call Saturday a form of the word Sabbath, is that what you found interesting?Muslims are not really part of this discussion because they don't claim any connection with Christianity or the Bible.
... Most Christians have made Sunday their day of rest and worship, because Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday.
Shopping on Sundays? Is it true Mormons are not allowed to shop on Sundays? And if so, why? Are there other things not allowed on Sundays?
Some won't even drive on Sunday.Some won't prepare a big meal either, when I lived in Riverside the family next door to me would cook everything on Sat. and then just heat it up. They were also into offroading and such and would go camping late Fri. and be back for Sun. service.
Um okay, well i doubt i am running off. I have been on this site for a while. The intention of this thread is not to pull the you are wrong or right arguments out. I started this to set things straight on what I and other Mormons believe. On another note though, where in the scriptures does it say that, I would love to read up on it.If you are here to bash though, it is not appreciated and from the looks of your sig you already have a bias. I will gladly talk to you and have no issues. No bashing though, just like it says in the first post
You believe He spoke to the prophets of old. We believe He still does...And not JUST to PROPHETS.My point is this. Any and every man can have his own direction and guidance from our Heavenly Father. Beginning with the General Epistle of James chapter 1 verse 5 it says: "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
more reference to all of chim's arguements...http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=14968.0http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=47553.msg597206;highlight=mormon#msg597206http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=27355.msg386995;highlight=mormon#msg386995http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=23464.0;highlight=mormonsIf you are going to be here to put down what i believe and input why you think the LDS church is crap please take it else where to another thread. Start a why mormons should not believe what they do thread.Thank you,Ryan K.
He is free to post what he wants, free countryI just ask that this doesn't go south....Other than that fair game. I actually read through most of all those threads, I love to hear others opinions and I am truly fascinated by all beliefs in this world. I have my own beliefs obviously and they work for me. And as it said at the end of the South Park episode about Mormons:"Maybe us Mormons do believe in stories that make no sense and maybe Joesph Smith did make it all up, but I have a great life and a great family and I have the book of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is I don't care if Joseph smith made it all up because what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping, and all i wanted to be was your friend..."
I worked for a devout Mormon for 3 years when I lived in Oregon. He was a great guy, treated his employees well, in fact treated me like family. He gave me a lot of respect for Mormons in general.
You are right, but remember that even the lowest kingdom is still a state of glory and happiness far greater than we can think of. Still heaven.
Basically a living person is baptized for those that have died giving that person the opportunity to accept the gospel. That's why genealogy is an important process to be completed so that you can have given your entire family history the opportunity to be baptized. My brother a Melchizedek Priest (Elder) has traced our family to its roots and baptized every last one. He is also responsible for the Elders on their missions in San Fernando, Ca so he does a lot of work.
Can you show me from the Bible where the Sabbath was changed from the 7th day of the week to the 1st? Christ observed the Sabbath of Creation, that was also specified in the Ten Commandments. This Sabbath day is from sundown to sundown on the 7th day of the week.I know why mainstream Christianity observes the Lord's Day on Sunday and I know a lot of the history on the change, but they generally argue that the Ten Commandments are no longer binding.Is this belief from the Book of Mormon or the Bible?
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I removed my first statment from the previous post and it sounded more judgemental than I intended.In my opinion, the Catholic religion has a "good" answer for Sunday worship because they claim to have changed it and their authority is above the Bible. The Mormon church appears to rely on D&C 59:12 to change the authority. Other mainstream Christian's claim that the reason they worship on Sunday has nothing to do with the Catholics, but can't provide a compelling argument from the Bible. Even the Catholics will tell you that the Biblical Sabbath is Saturday, they just don't observe it.Own your belief, if you can't then search for one that you can. As a mormon, I would expect you to quote what is stated in D&C and then explain your belief in its authority.How would you have answered my questions if you were to knock on my door during your time as a missionary?
Your last statement is crazy.. so you want to risk your eternal salvation for things of this earth? Wow...
How does loving your family, being nice, and helping risk your eternal salvation?
Because there is nothing you can do to "earn" your way to heaven... and realistically you may do a few things right, but you are still a sinner.. do you lie? Do you ever cheat? Steal? How about this... lust or covet! But dont think that I am perfect, because I do all those things... the difference is, that Im not trying to earn my way to heaven because I love my family, am nice most of the time.. Jesus says he is the way.. no one gets to Heaven but by him...
You realize that is a quote from south park.....take a chill pill